Princess's and Prince's of the Fancy....

[BSAR]

My 4h leader is a good person to turn to. She has experienced this before and she knows what to do so that you don't have to go to the vet.

She said that we still may have to take her there and we know that. But Minnie is doing good and the Vit. C and penicillin is going to help.

If we take her to the vet what will they do? Nothing more than we already are I'm sure. If we think she has the infection she will be going to the vet.

 

[Flashy]

If you take her to a vet there is potentially a lot more than you can do at home, if they deem it necessary. I'm hoping you would never spay a rabbit yourself, and I'm guessing your probably don't have an ultrasound machine, or access to prescription only meds. This could be a very long and slow death for her and I really feel for her. We lost a doe to this many years ago when the internet was not as used and this forum wasn't around, and my vets sucked. It's such a shame with all the knowledge around today you are still refusing to take her. If she went to the vets and everything was fine then you have no worries, and no need to stress her out with vit c or injecting meds when you don't know how, but if you go, potentially you could save her life;

 

[Bo B Bunny]

BSAR wrote:

My 4h leader is a good person to turn to. She has experienced this before and she knows what to do so that you don't have to go to the vet.

Wasn't she the one that told you it was ok to breed that older doe?

 

[bunnybunbunb]

A vet would palpate and if he was unsure he would do an x-ray or something to make sure. I personally can palpate and be 100% sure, whether it is "luck" or what I don't know but for someone so "knowledgeable" and not be able to palpate properly and to use an excuse such as she just ate I would never ask them for help again. Odviously they do not know what they are talking about because vitamins, even if you gave 500% of the RD it is not going to work like medicine.

I learned from my dad how to give the shots, unless you have someone willing to show you do not do it on your own. I would not trust the 4-h lady to tell you either. I video taped doing it when I had a rabbit a little under the weather and I used it to show people that asked me how to do it however I do not have it anymore.

Also I have come across rabbits that have skin like leather! I had a line of them all steming from one buck. It was almost impossible to give them shots if they needed it, when it came to them it was either choose to push for 5 minutes and hope not to bend the needle, again, or find an alternitive. Not every rabbit can have the same thing.

Also, again, NEVER let anyone tell you or a vet give you any type of oral penicillin, mostly called moxicillin. I had one vet kill my rabbits for years before I found how what the heck was wrong. This is the reason I only trust myself for the mos part with my rabbits.

 

[BSAR]

Bo B Bunny wrote:

BSAR wrote:

My 4h leader is a good person to turn to. She has experienced this before and she knows what to do so that you don't have to go to the vet.

Wasn't she the one that told you it was ok to breed that older doe?

No she was not. Please dont bring that into this.

 

[BSAR]

bunnybunbunb wrote:

A vet would palpate and if he was unsure he would do an x-ray or something to make sure. I personally can palpate and be 100% sure, whether it is "luck" or what I don't know but for someone so "knowledgeable" and not be able to palpate properly and to use an excuse such as she just ate I would never ask them for help again.My sister was the one who palpated her after she had eaten notour 4h leader. Our 4h leader did it later on, yeah she had still eaten but my 4h leader knows how to palpate.Odviously they do not know what they are talking about because vitamins, even if you gave 500% of the RD it is not going to work like medicine.

I learned from my dad how to give the shots, unless you have someone willing to show you do not do it on your own. I would not trust the 4-h lady to tell you either. I video taped doing it when I had a rabbit a little under the weather and I used it to show people that asked me how to do it however I do not have it anymore.

Also I have come across rabbits that have skin like leather! I had a line of them all steming from one buck. It was almost impossible to give them shots if they needed it, when it came to them it was either choose to push for 5 minutes and hope not to bend the needle, again, or find an alternitive. Not every rabbit can have the same thing.

Also, again, NEVER let anyone tell you or a vet give you any type of oral penicillin, mostly called moxicillin. I had one vet kill my rabbits for years before I found how what the heck was wrong. This is the reason I only trust myself for the mos part with my rabbits. Thank you. I was wondering if they had any oral penicillin but since it could be a problem we won't get any.

My 4h leader said if Minnie makes it past four days then she is most likely going to live.

 

[Flashy]

BlueSkyAcresRabbitry wrote:

When she was here we were able to get the other baby out (it wasn't deformed; but was a pencil kit) and a lot of fluid came out. (We'll call my leader A to protect her) took Minnie outside and squeezed her uterus a little to get more of the fluid out and so we have to do that for the next two days and try to get whatever out that we can. A didn't think there were any more babies in her; she's not good at palpating and Minnie had just eaten about a handful 1/2 of grass so she wasn't sure if it was secum (?) or not; but she thinks its not a baby (plus when I palpated Minnie yesterday, all I thought I felt was two more babies...)

Hmm, I'm so confused. From the look of this, Emily said that 'she' implying, your 4-H leader, was not good at palpating. Yet Amanda just said Emily was the one doing the palpating? I'm so vERY confused.

BSAR wrote:

My sister was the one who palpated her after she had eaten not our 4h leader. Our 4h leader did it later on, yeah she had still eaten but my 4h leader knows how to palpate.

How is Minnie doing?

 

[BSAR]

Flashy wrote:

BlueSkyAcresRabbitry wrote:

When she was here we were able to get the other baby out (it wasn't deformed; but was a pencil kit) and a lot of fluid came out. (We'll call my leader A to protect her) took Minnie outside and squeezed her uterus a little to get more of the fluid out and so we have to do that for the next two days and try to get whatever out that we can. A didn't think there were any more babies in her; she's not good at palpating and Minnie had just eaten about a handful 1/2 of grass so she wasn't sure if it was secum (?) or not; but she thinks its not a baby (plus when I palpated Minnie yesterday, all I thought I felt was two more babies...)

Hmm, I'm so confused. From the look of this, Emily said that 'she' implying, your 4-H leader, was not good at palpating. Yet Amanda just said Emily was the one doing the palpating? I'm so vERY confused.

Okay i'm sorry i didn't realize she said that right there. My 4h leader is getting better at palpating is what she should have said, she does know how to do it though. My apologies I though my sister said she palpated her after she ate. Sorry.

BSAR wrote:

My sister was the one who palpated her after she had eaten not our 4h leader. Our 4h leader did it later on, yeah she had still eaten but my 4h leader knows how to palpate.

How is Minnie doing?

We are just getting ready to go and feed the animals so I will let oyou know in about twenty minutes how Minnie is doing.

What is a sign of Uterine Infection anyway?

 

[Flashy]

I look forward to the update

I am no expert, but I would imagine you are looking for discharge, maybe distended abdomen? High body temperature, lethargic, lack of appetite, etc.

 

[BSAR]

Okay thanks.
We haven't gone out yet but I will look to see if she has any of those symptoms.

 

[Flashy]

Hopefully someone will come and clarify a bit more but I just thought if you were going out now it might be worth having some idea. Just basically look for anything out of the ordinary.

 

[tonyshuman]

I'm pretty sure it's hard to diagnose uterine infection (pyometria is another possibility). Elevated temperature, rapid breathing and heart rate, lethargy, signs of being in pain, not eating, soreness or swelling in the abdomen: these could all be signs. However, I've heard of it not being diagnosed until the rabbit goes in for a spay because rabbits are very very good at hiding illness. If she appears sore when you attempt to palpate her, it would definitely be a concern. I still think that you should have a vet look at her. An exam will probably cost you around $40, maybe $100 if x-rays are taken. The medicine could run $30, and blood work (if needed) is usually around $50. So even if she needs bloodwork, meds, and x-rays, it will probably come to under $200. I know that's a lot of money for a teenager, but perhaps your parents could help you out.

 

[naturestee]

I'm concerned about the amount of fluid that came from her uterus. What did it look/feel like? From what I understand rabbits don't usually have much liquid in the womb when they give birth. Between that and the stuck kits I'd be very afraid of infection or the fluid could have collected due to physical damage causing inflammation (swelling).

Chances are you won't see signs of a uterine infection until it's too late. It's strictly internal. She may have an elevated temperature and generally act uneasy/uncomfortable. She may have a little pus or blood around her genitals but not always, sometimes not till the infection is raging, and she may be able to keep herself clean enough that you wouldn't notice it. Internal infections like these are very dangerous and more likely to cause systemic infections (blood infections) which are usually fatal. The likely damage caused by the stuck kits would make this more likely, as blood vessels could be open to the infection.

If she does have a uterine infection, it might require spaying her depending onhow far it's gone. Sometimes the uterus is too damaged to save or the infection is too much of a danger to just treat with antibiotics. If it's a relatively mild infection it might be ok to treat her only with antibiotics- generally injectibles like penicillin.

Like others have said, Vitamin C will not treat an infection at all. It can slightly boost the immune system but with the birthing trauma and stress that could already be shot.

Please take her to an experienced rabbit vet, or at least find a more experienced breeder in the area to look at her for you, someone who has been through similarproblems before. Personally I'd have a vet do a full examination and xray or ultrasound.

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[BlueGiants]

One of the first signs that I saw in a doe with a Uterine Infectionwas a distinctivly bad smell around the genitals. But they can also shift from foot to foot while resting (pain and discomfort),tooth grinding - especially while being handled, elevated body temperature, off feed/water, etc. (as previously mentioned...)

It can be treated much more effectively and quicker through a vet. It's not just her ability to breed that is at stake, a systemic infection like that can kill her.

 

[BSAR]

Minnie is eating, she doesn't seem to drink anything but we have been giving her fluids. Her genitals didn't smell when I checked. She also doesn't seem to have a fever, although I don't know how to check.

Her abdomen does seem a swollenish looking but she doesn't seem to be in pain when we touch it. Just hops away like she always does.

We are still going to get penicillin today and if we think she is still not getting better than we will take her into the vet tomorrow or Wednesday.

Yeah that is a lot of money, I only have around 60 dollars in my wallet. My mom won't be able to help out because she doesn't have money to go towards that. My sister and I have lots of money in our bank accounts but my dad would have to come down after work, he lives an hour or so away, and then we have to sign something to get money out of the bank.

 

[BSAR]

naturestee wrote:

I'm concerned about the amount of fluid that came from her uterus. What did it look/feel like? From what I understand rabbits don't usually have much liquid in the womb when they give birth.

There was a bit of fluid. I don't know what it felt like because I wasn't doing it, my 4h leader was and I have no clue why someone would touch it. It also looked like it might have been some pee also.

My 4h leader told us to see if we could get any more out yesterday and today, that way she wouldn't get an infection.

My mom tried today but she did it to gently, nothing came out. She should have used a bit more pressure. So I will probably have her try again later.

 

[Flashy]

Ouch, wouldn't that hurt? Hasn't she been through enough already? Can you not get her proper treatment? Could you maybe call and discuss with the vets your financial situation and see what they say? You may be able to pay over time.

 

[BSAR]

Yes I can have my sister call the one exotics vet and see what they say.

I also emailed my 4h leader about Minnie's conditoin right now and asked her if we should take her to the vet and also if we should get penicillin. Which we are anyway so.

 

[naturestee]

Her abdomen looks swollen? It really shouldn't. No animal should have a "swollen" look to the abdomen after giving birth. Her belly should look somewhat smaller from the babies being out. Jazzy looked like her belly just disappeared.

I really don't recommend squeezing onher internal organs. If you aren't really knowledgeable about internal anatomy you can squeeze the wrong thing. You might be squeezing on the cecum or bladder. And sometimes organs can rupture- there are warnings about this for expressing bladders, that doing it wrong and too hard can rupture or otherwise damage it.

Can your vet workout a payment plan if you need to? What about Care Credit, would your mom be willing to get credit through them if you pay her back? If you followtheir payment plan they don't charge any interest.

 

[BSAR]

When we get the fluid out basically we just gently (but with some pressure) rub a hand going from her rib area to her genitals. Just so if there is any thing it will move down so it comes out.
That is how my 4h leader did it and explained it.