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Carolyn wrote:
Agree with you that opinions are welcome; that said, unnecessaryrudeness and talking down to someone because they don't take the sameposition as you is not.

:)

-Carolyn


Hi Buck,

On a larger scale, "Do unto others as you would have done unto you."

HankHanky got back what he gave out and he didn't like it.

He still has not the decency or class to apologize, but uses sarcasm instead.

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BunnyMommy, you can speak for me any time.

-Carolyn
 
Given an equal opportunity to choose between anatural diet and a pelleted diet, I wonder what the average rabbit'spreference would be? Have you any clue?
Buck.

Well hello there Buck,

you have know me for quite sometime now and know that I have NEVERcandy-coated my opinion. I have seen quite clearly that theseformidable though they may be MOB of "Ladies" seem to take everything Isay as a personal attack on their poerson. Unless, by some unknownstroke of fate? I happen to either agre with them or I come up with thecorrect and right answer for some particular problem that has beenbaffling them. [As I most often do] I have been STOPPED dead in mytracks, as I have come to realize that there is no appeasing the crowdif you will not bend to the breaking point to their retorts. As I havestated before, everthing I state is my opinion and nothing more nornothing less. I may be vehement in my opinions, but that is because Iknow that it/they work! I have been doing as I say for quite a fewyears and my Rabbits are happy, healthy and they prosper. However, as Ihave also stated: I do not care particularly what anyone chooses tofeed their rabbit or how they choose to house them. After all, it'stheir rabbit. I just state my case/opinion in my own inimitablefashion. I have always done this and I always will. I post my opinionsas they come out, I have now guide that I follow I just go with theflow. With this said: like the leaves on the trees in the fall, I willtake my leave.

Have a good one.

Dennis,C.V.R.


Photo taken at Greene Cty. Youth-fair 2004
 
"I refuse to get into a battle of wits with the unequipped." -Anonymous

As to what HankHanky says,
"Jimmy cracked corn..."

:)

-Carolyn
 
HankHanky wrote:
Given an equal opportunity to choose between a natural dietand a pelleted diet, I wonder what the average rabbit's preferencewould be? Have you any clue?

Dennis,C.V.R.

I do not mean to start things up by any means but this statement has mea bit stumped. Are you meaning to suggest that the diet a rabbit picksis the best one for them? If that is what your intended point was, Iwould beg to differ if you were trying to support your natural diettheory with that. Much like children, when given thechance tohave a "treat" (fruits and veggies, etc.) they would probably jump atthe chance to have them instead of nutritional pellets. Now I wouldjust like to say I am for the pellets, hay, and water diet theory butthat does not mean that the natural diet may be better but no one canprove either way for now.

I do not believe I ever asked you to "sugar-coat" your opinions, Isimply asked for them to be delivered in a more tasteful manner. Wasthat too much to ask? I'm trying to be as mature about this as I can, Imay only be a teenager but I do know a few things, but you keep missingthe point.

Now that I'm done, I hope it was not taken offensively, I tried to state my opinion as tastefully as possible.

Good day.
 
Oops. BunnyMommypointed out that the part I quoted was indeed HankHanky quoting Buck,sorry. I think I missed something, lol. Sorry Buck andHankHanky!
 
Oh, Dennis! You're making amountain out of a molehill. I don't think anyonetook umbrage with your "opinion," but in the terms and manner in whichit was couched. There is nothing wrong in pleasantlydisagreeing and treating people as you would hope they would treatyou. This forum has been singularly free of the kinds ofantagonisms that prevailed over at the other Rabbits Forum and,frankly, I think it is the better for it!

You avoided my major question. Do you have any idea whichtype of diet the average rabbit would be more likely to choose betweena pelleted and a "natural" one? Do you know of any study orwork done to indicate the preference for one or another?

In some of my older rabbit books, a lot of time, energy, and expensewas involved in creating a palatableration for rabbits to eatfrom a myriad of agricultural sources, many of which would no longer beavailable to the general public. Seems like everybody hadtheir own 'formula" for what worked. Obviously, pellets havemade that no longer necessary, but I'll bet you rabbits would havepreferred the former.

At the risk of appearing anthropomorphic, I would think it would belike the difference between eating freeze-dried food and fresh, orpowdered eggs or real. Using Guinness Book of World Records,Flopsy, as an example of a healthy, long lived rabbit, some of theresponses from his owner that I received regarding the composition ofhis diet were:

Rye grass & clover. Baled meadow hay....He was fedsilver beet & lettuce mainly with carrots & apples as asupplement. Lettuce and carrots were the favorites.


personal correspondence dated 5-12-03, from Mrs. TriciaWalker of Tasmania, Australia.


There is no doubt some modern day rabbit fanciers would find issueswith that diet, yet Flopsy lived to the ripe old age of 18 years, 10months, twenty-nine days. Cause of death...Benign pituarytumor & old age!

Although I feed a pelleted diet, I can find no record of a pelleted fedrabbit approaching that kind of life span. Food(pun intended)for thought, eh?

Buck






 
Good point Buck. I think someone needs to conductan experiment to find out lmao. Feed half of their bunnies a naturaldiet and the other half a pelleted diet and find out which one works.Even then I doubt that it would ever settle all arguements but I thinkwe're all a bit curious.
 
Conversely, MyBunnyBoys, no one can say with anycertainty that they would always pick the worst food for themselvesnutritionally. In the wild, our domestic buns eat most anyvegetable matter they can get their mouths on, although they do havepreferences for succulent, young plants and grasses.

Their short lives are largely due to predation and other factors, not a natural diet, it would seem.

I'm with you. I feed a pelleted diet. I'm justsaying my mind is still open about its efficacy due to the questions Istill have about it.

Buck
 
Buck Jones wrote:
Conversely, MyBunnyBoys, no one can say with any certaintythat they would always pick the worst food for themselvesnutritionally. In the wild, our domestic buns eat most anyvegetable matter they can get their mouths on, although they do havepreferences for succulent, young plants and grasses.

Their short lives are largely due to predation and other factors, not a natural diet, it would seem.

I'm with you. I feed a pelleted diet. I'm justsaying my mind is still open about its efficacy due to the questions Istill have about it.

Buck
Quite true Buck. I'm stating from experience, my rabbits would muchrather have treats (sugar filled yogurt drops)then thehealthy stuff, lmao. But it's a very good point, makes you wonder! Itoo keep an open mind about it, but for now I still agree with apelleted diet. My mind is never closed to alternatives, I justgenerally stick to the side I agree with until there is some sort ofevidence of otherwise. In a couple years I could be completely againsta pelleted diet for all I know. Considering that a rabbits life is soshort in the wild because of predators, there is no way to prove that anatural diet is the best either. ;):pYou are right though, noone can be sure. :)
 
Buck, this is aneloquently written and thoughtfully presented post (asalways). I simplyadore intelligence and insight.

You have an excellent grasp of thedifferent schools of thought in regards to the issue of natural vs.pelleted diet and stimulate very balanced ruminations andthought-provoking conversations on such. Exchanging ideas anddebating with you is always a joy.
 
You can't argue with Buck, he's always right!lol, not fair. It seems that he is debating with himself when he statesboth sides of the issue, but it's great fun to read even if you can'twin your point! lol.
 
MyBunnyBoys wrote:
You can't argue with Buck, he's always right! lol, not fair.It seems that he is debating with himself when he states both sides ofthe issue, but it's great fun to read even if you can't win your point!lol.
Well, it's because he has an open mindwhich is always a mark of true intelligence. Buck is verywell read and despite the fact that he has substantial evidence assurety to his opinions he is always open to an opposing point of view.

In addition, even if he differs withanother's viewpoint he is respectful and courteous in presenting hisargument and allows for the other person's right to both have andexpress their own opinion. This is the spirit of true debate.
 
If I could add justone more thing ... :) There's an Iranian proverbthat states "Doubt is the key to knowledge." In other words,even with the most firmly held opinion there should be just a littlewindow of doubt to allow for the possibility of error. Inthis way, even though one may be steadfast in his/her opinions (whichis in no way a bad thing) there is always a fail-safe in operation sothat truth is never missed when it presents itself.

Thanks so much, Buck, for being the wonderful example that you are.
 
Yes Buck, I whole heartedly agree with BunnyMommy. :)And it's always a pleasure losing a debate to you. ;):D
 
Still one moreteeny, tiny little thought ... :D (I'm now starting to just love thisthread!).

This is why I embrace the House RabbitSociety's nutritional guidelines. Like Buck, I've doneextensive research on this issue and, as stated before, there aremultiple schools of thought in this regard, all of which in my humbleopinion have some element of virtue therein. I chose HRS'splan because it seems to incorporate all of the major facets of thedifferent schools of thought and blend them in moderation.(In my lifetime I've found that the surest path to success usually liesnot in extremes but in moderation. )

In HRS's plan there's a little somethingfor everybody on both sides of the coin (natural vs.pelleted). This is simply my preference for my particular bunand in no way invalidates the preferences of others in thisregard.
 
BunnyMommy wrote:
If I could add just one more thing... :)?? There's an Iranian proverb that states "Doubt is the key toknowledge."? In other words, even with the most firmly held opinionthere should be just a little window of doubt to allow for thepossibility of error.? In this way, even though one may be steadfast inhis/her opinions (which is in no way a bad thing) there is always afail-safe in operation so that truth is never missed when it presentsitself.

Thanks so much, Buck, for being the wonderful example that you are.?


"The important thing is to never stop questioning." -Albert Einstein


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Laura,

I loved the comment you made about how he puts out two sides of anissue which makes his posts so delightfully informative and fun.

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To Buck,

"No body does it better...Baby, you're The Best!"


-Carolyn
 

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