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stargazerLily

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I am not sure if this is the right place to post this, but here goes nothing.

Fridaynight I acquired a rabbit from one on our clients at work. The person who owned the rabbit had a 3 yr old child who had been throwing the rabbit down the stairs (this happened at least three times). The rabbit is an adorable black torti (I think, according to pics I've found online that look like him) mini lop, who is neutered and a little over a year old. I spent a few hours reading on the care of rabbits, especially diet, before bringing him home. The owner was kind enough to give me all of his stuff (cage, food, cage stand, toys, hay, some kind of smelly spray and powder, and salt blocks), along with the care sheet that the breeder gave her. I read through the care sheet, and some of the stuff just seemed off, along with what the lady was telling me. The care sheet didn't mention anything about giving the rabbit any veggies, and said to give the rabbit only a small amount of hay a day because too much would cause obesity, and said to give the rabbits human cereal too. Everything I have read has totally contridicted what this care sheet says. So here are my questions.

The rabbit is currently being fed kaytee garden blend pellets. They are alfalfa based and have things that look like crunchy carrots and some other stuff in it. I want to switch him to oxbow rabbit T formula. This needs to be done gradually, correct? What is the best time frame for doing the switch? 7 to 10 days? Or longer?

He can have all the hay he possibly wants, since it's good for his digestive tract, and his teeth, correct? He currently has timothy hay from kaytee, but I have hay from oxbow on order, and am planning on getting a bale from some coworkers.

His cage is one of your standard my first pet type cages. He has room to stand, and a little room to hop around, but I want to get him something bigger. Last night I started building a cube typepen using those wire cubes you can get from Target. I was thinking of using a linoleum bottom and putting fleece or flannel on top of it for the bunny to sit on. The care sheet I received said not to use anything fabric in the cage because the animal would chew it and bad stuff would happen, but all the pictures I've seen on here of cages show them lined with carpet, flannel, or fleece. I also saw the cube cages you have, and those look pretty simple to make. My question is, can the cage be lined in linoleum covered with flannel or fleece (the rabbit isn't totally litter trained yet), or is that a bad idea?

There was never any mention from the previous owner about the rabbit ever having any veggies so I went to the local farmers market and the grocery store to buy some good leafy lettuce type stuff (aka collard greens, cilatro, parsley, mustard greens, dark romaine). Last night I gave him one type of the leafy stuff ( can't remember what though), he kind of looked at it like he had no clue what it was, but by this morning all but a tiny piece was gone. Since I have no idea if he's had veggies before, how long should I wait before giving him a different type of veggie from the one I gave him last night?

What are some good idea for chew things for him? He has a few toys from his previous owner.

Right now his cube cage has his old cage in it (he acted a little panicked when I put him in the new cage, and felt better when he had his old cage to go into and come out of as he pleases), a litter box, food bowl (one for pellets, one for veggies), two water bottles, and a hay rack, along with a few toys. What else should there be in his cage?

Thanks for all the advice.


 
I am in the middle of something so I can not repond now but I will bump it up. I will be back later and check if you have been helped.
 
Firstly...Welcome to the forum.

.......and thank you for taking in the little guy.
That's why bunnies are not recommended for pets for young children.

At about 4-6 months I switch my buns over from alfalfa pellets to timothy.
I did it gradually over 10 -14 days...starting with just a sprinkle and increasing a little every couple of days.

Unlimited hay can/should be available. Timothy is standard. Maybe alfalfa for a bit if it's a younger bun, but timothy is fine for them, too.

I have 8 buns. All of them have their original cage with a NIC add-on.
I used those plastic office chair mats for flooring.
They all have baby blankets or cotton towels...only because they don't eat them. If you give him one just make sure you watch him closely to make sure he's not ingesting it. I have a few that chew on them, but leave the little "cut-outs" behind.

Introduce veggies in small portions a couple of times a week to start. Stick to one kind at a time to start. You can change every week or two, making sure the bun is ok with each one.

Favorite toys here.....baby keys, little balls with bells in them, wiffle balls (with holes), paper bags, cardboard boxes, toilet paper tubes....


Oh yeah....got any pics ?!?!:biggrin2:

~Jim


 
First of all, WELCOME!! I'm Julia:biggrin2:

It sounds like you know WAY more about rabbits than whoever wrote that care sheet (that is scary that people are getting those)

You are 100% right about the diet. Switch slowly and Oxbow is what my babies get. And all the timothy hay their little hearts desire. Brand of hay isn't a big deal as long as your bun likes it! No people food unless it is veggies (or Craisins:)) Give him a small amount of one type, like you did, then introduce a bit more of the same thing. If he doesn't get weird poo or get gassy then that one is good and you can try a small bit f something else. You sound like you're cautious enough not to overload the little guy. People use some fruits as treats, too, but first things first.

Your cage idea is perfect, tons of us use those cubes (I do!) Lining the floor is a must, (I just used that cheap plastic carpet runner in the cage)they could pee or dig and then your floor is toast. And the fleece is a great idea as long as you watch and make sure he isn't eating it!:shock:

Sounds like yourbun will love his new life with you! You can look at posts for some toy or entertainment ideas for the cage (mine don't get caged so they have stuff all over my house hehe)

There is so much to read on this site.All the info you need is on here. Or youcan look at the House Rabbit Society site, too. Joining this forum was the best thing you could do for you and your bun!

P.S. What is the little guy's name? And we want pics, too!!!!!
 
Great minds think alike huh Jim? Didn't even see your post yet till I posted mine!

P.S. StargazerLily- Be prepared to become a bunny addict like the rest of us and just keep wanting more!!! They're so wonderful!!!
 
Welcome, stargazerLily! And cograts on your new little friend.

I think you are on the right track. Good that you read a lot before starting life with your bunny.

While I am in no way the most experienced rabbit owner on this forum, I will try to answer a few of your questions. Others will be along soon to add their wisdom, I am certain.

Your bunny DEFINITELY needs unlimited access to hay! Timothy is great. You can actually offer a variety. Do limit the amount of alfalfa unless he is underweight.

Oxbow's Rabbit T pellets are great. That's what mine get. When I first had rabbits I did the Kaytee stuff, too. The switch took a while because our first bunny was kind of addicted to all the unnecessary added stuff in it (seeds, dried veggies, etc.)

I'm not sure how long to take to make the switch. But I would think the sooner you get him on more wholesome food the better. :anyone: Just keep an eye out that he is pooing and peeing normally. Poops should be well formed and dry.

Govery slowly with veggies. Some dark romaine is a good start. There is some info here on the site about safe bunny veggies and fruits. Also, a thread where owners have shared their experience. (I'll send you a link to that ASAP.)

I would avoid any fruits or anything other than leafy greens for a bit. Then you can gradually introduce things and see how your fellow enjoys them. Go very sparingly on carrots and fruit. You should consider those as special treats because of the sugar content. Definitely avoid any of the store bought bunny treats.

You're doing a great job with his cage, too. Good idea to stick his old cage inside the new one.

As for flooring...you can try different things out. I've used blankets, towels, Oasis Magic Mats, wood shavings, recycled paper litter... Settled on the Magic Mats, but the others have worked well, too. Just keep an eye on what your bunny is chewing/eating. Our rabbits sometimes nibble on the towels. They did that more when they were new and novel items in the cage. After that they'd just bunch them up and lie on them.

I hope those things help for now. You are doing a great job researching. Keep us posted and add pics soon if you can.

-Mary Ellen:bunny18

(I cannot believe a child threw a bunny down the stairs! Why did mom let the child handle the bunny without much closer supervision?:tantrum:)
 
Here are a couple pictures of him. They are the same pics I posted in the intro section. His name is Mister, but I want to change it to Orion. He's a sweet and cuddly bunny. After the last time I petsat a rabbit, I swore I would never ever own one, but the people at work convinced me to take him. Besides him I have two siamese cats, and pet rats.

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You can see his old cage in the picture (his old cage is sitting in his new cage, on top of a vinyl tablecloth, it was temporary until I could get to the hardware store today). His new cage is like 3x's bigger than his old cage, and I would like to build a second level on to it at some point.

Here's another question, how do you tell if a rabbit is gassy? I'm guessing they don't burp like people.
 
iluvmybuns wrote:
Great minds think alike huh Jim? Didn't even see your post yet till I posted mine!
:biggrin2:....right down to the request for pics, too!!!!
 
Bunnicula wrote:
While I am in no way the most experienced rabbit owner on this forum, I will try to answer a few of your questions. Others will be along soon to add their wisdom, I am certain.
Hehehe...

JimD, Julia, and I were all posting simultaneously.

Anyway...that old cage of his looks like one we have. Not bad, but your NIC palace is going to be way better.

He's quite handsome. I think Orion will be a fabulous name. He will probably prefer it to "Mister." :p

How are your cats with your rats? That should be a decent indicator of how they'll be with a bunny. Our 10 cats respect and revere the 3 bunnies. Just do be careful with introductions there. Orion's temperament will be part of the deciding factor of how they get on, too.

Thanks for the photos! Looking forward to hearing/seeing more!

-Mary Ellen
 
You've gotten some great advice already, I just want to add what I do with food.

When I was switching my bunnies food over to something else I did it over a fairly long period of time. It took me about 4 weeks to get them from one to another. I started with a tiny pinch of the new stuff, and every four days or so, added another tiny pinch (and compensating for that by giving less of the old stuff). My bunnies changed no problem at all,but I'm totally over paranoid.

With the veggies, try him with tiny bits and gradually increase it (I start with bits about 1cm and a half in diameter). If you give too much at once he might get diarrhoea, and if it really disagrees with it, he might get gas and go into GI stasis, which can be fatal.

He might have a few lose poos after a new green, but just give him chance to settle down and then try again. I give mine just a small bit of something everyday, and because it never seems to upset their stomachs, I swap about between the greens, basil, parsely, dandelion leaves, all sorts.

Good luck with the bun, I'm sure you're going to be a great bunny mummy :)
 
The cats do pretty well with the rats. Both cats were raised around rats. I had the bunny out with cats, and they are mostly just curious. They would follow him around, and sniff him, but not touch him. Then it became a game with the bunny chasing the cats, and vice versus.
 
Hey, stargazer. I am the one that refered you here from goosemoose :biggrin2:!


You have been given a lot of helpful advice already :). I hope you like it here!
 
Awww .....! He's so adorable! He looks just like my little boy, Loki. You're really great for taking this guy in and I think you've received great advice! :biggrin2:

t.
 
Many breeders will give their rabbits cereal as a treat. I do. I don't give much - but many rabbits LOVE to get a piece of Chex or a fruit loop or something.

The thing is - with the number of rabbits I have - I can't afford to give everyone a yogurt drop or something like that. So I can buy cereal and a piece or two won't hurt them and they LOVE it when I come around handing out a bit of cereal. It is a "treat" and it encourages them to want to come see me...to see what I've got.

I agree that it is great if you can give other treats -but I just wanted to explain why many breeders will give cereal as a treat. Its something we can afford in quantity to feed our bunnies...and a tiny bit doesn't seem to hurt them...

Peg
 
He's so cute! He looks just like my Oscar. Shame on mom for letting her child throw him down the stairs! grrr! SOunds like he's gonna have a very nice new home now though;) Can't wait to see more pics, good luck:)

Here's a pic of Oscar, my little baby boy(he's 1yr and a half lol)

SEE just like twins.......


 
I dont use carpet in my cages if the rabbit eats it it can cause a blockage requiring surgery.My rabbits like cheerios they get it for a treat.i feed very small amounts of veges as i feel the pellets i feed are a balanced diet.hay may be kept available at all times.I had a very angry grandfather last year wanting too buy a bunny for a 4 year old child which i refused.bluebird
 
:wave::yeahthat: You have gotten some great advice from some great Bunny Loving people. So sorry you buns went through that but SSSSSOOOOOOOOO glad you got him, and what a great bunnymom that you did your research and where ready for this baby when he got here. againthis is for you and what youhave alreadydone for you bunny already. :hug:
 
Welcome to RO. Congrats on you new bunny!Orion is sooooooooo cute!!:pYou did come to the right place with your question. Before i say anything helpful I have to complain (sorry) Frankly i think you should have a talk with the person who gave you the rabbit. Rabbits andlittle kids don't go together. Also I'd watch him very closely. He might have injures from being thrown down the stairs (god that p*** me off some people :grumpy: {sorry I couldn't hold it in})Frankly what they were doing was really bad for the rabbit. The first thing you should do is get RID of the care sheet. Don't follow what it says it's wrong. Here are some other helpful places or things...

http://www.rabbit.org/ This is the house rabbit society. They have great info.

These are 2 good books (ones a pamphlet)....

House rabbit hand bookhere's a picture of it,

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House Rabbit Connection's Guide on Rabbit Care (pamphlet)

Now her are some answers to your questions....

All the greens you had given them are great for rabbits. Except the dark Romain. Despite what people say about rabbits loving lettuce it's not very good for them. They can eat it, but it's not good for them. Also givenhim unlimited access to hay. It won't make them obese (by the way who wrote the care sheet??) Litter training him would be a great idea!!! You should defiantly train him! Here's a link on litter training rabbits,

NIC cage (make sure though to give him a couple hours a day out of his cage) I don't know much about them but here's what they look like...

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You could put a play up too.

Here are some toys my rabbits loooooove...



  • apple and willow sticks (make sure to give Orion stuff to chew on since rabbits teeth never stop growing they need to wear them down. If they get tobig it can really hurt the rabbit)
  • a card board box
  • cardboard toilet paper (like the center of it with out the paper) filled stufed with timothy or a hard treat he really likes
I asked this question alittle while ago on the forum.;)

I think your cage has the right stuff in side for now. Make sure (I know i said this already) to give Orion time out of his cage, in a rabbit prof area.

Ihave to say your bunny is very lucky to have a mommy like you!:great:

I hope I was some help, and i can't wait to hear more about Orion. You should definitly start a blog,

-TK:bunnydance:

 

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