If hate could kill

[mesilly]

Cinnabun wrote:

...and the lab my cousins got my little cousin tripped over her,and the dog turned around growled showed her teeth and tried to bither! now thats not right! and the dog is only 6 months. and everybody(but for my mom and dad, brother, and i) yelled at her, for that! whenit was the dogs fault for laying right there, and showing her teeth andgrowling and trying to bit her!

How is it the dog's fault if a kid fell over her? It's the KID'S fault.The dog wasn't doing anything. Hell, if I were sleeping on the floorand some kid fell over me, I'd turn around and growl too. Hitting andyelling only teaches a dog to be afraid of you. Fear biting is the mostcommon type of aggression in dogs.

Btw, I've had Springers. All of my life. And I'm *not* a teenager. Inow have rottweilers. ALL DOGS CAN AND WILL BITE. In fact, Springersare also one of the most 'nippy' of dog breeds.

 

[mesilly]

Cinnabun wrote:

UHH HELLO! i was bending down to give her a hug! after she bit me islapped her across the face, and slamed the gate in her face.. at leasti didnt hit her with a 2X4 like what someone i know did to their dog!its not wrong to slap your dog.. not hard.. and then everyone eles hither too! and in the morning i woke up to her SLEEPING RIGHT NEXT TOME.. after that me and her got close! how eles are you soppose to trainthem without giving them a slight slap on them?! yelling no?! thatdoesnt help WITH A SPRINGER MIGHT I ADD!

BTW; your a Newbie here so which means you dont know me.. so if youhave a problem with me please PM me. so we can talk about this in awell behaved manner!

So because you DIDN'T beat her to death, just beat her a little, thatmakes it ok? Wrong-o. No reputable dog trainer will tell you to slam agate in a dogs' face or to slap her. I know dogs well. I've hadSpringers all my life, I work with Springer rescue, saving dogs fromabusive homes. I have Rottweilers now, that are beginning training intracking, and hopefully will be therapy or Search and Rescue dogs.

Springers are highly intelligent dogs. Positive reinforcement workswonders with them. Crate training does as well. Being a responsible dogowner is probably the best thing that you could do for the dog. Don'tleave her in a situation where she could bite. Getting her in anobedience class will also work wonders. SLAPPING her and ABUSING herWILL NOT.

As for her sleeping beside you afterward, dogs are highly forgiving animals. And there's no accounting for some tastes.

(BTW, I do apoligize for using the word 'idiot'. No, you're right. Idon't know you. I really don't want to, after seeing the way you treatdefenseless animals. How must you treat your friends?)

 

[m.e.]

I'm not a mod, but I am a concerned member who cares deeply for this forum:

Everything that needs to be said, has been said. If oneormore members wishes to continue this discussion, they should do itelsewhere.

We've strayed from the original poster's message. Try to remember bunnylover's situation and her feelings, please.

 

[hurbledurble]

You really shouldn't own any animals. Period.

 

[ayglnu13]

This post is sooo sad....you guys don’teven care about Bell, you had to go off and scream at each other whilewe are supposed to be supporting Bunnylover and Bell! If you guys needto fight about what OTHER people do to their dogs, then do it in PM.The reason this thread was started was to talk about Bell not otherpeople hitting their dogs. Please just stay on topic and if you have atangent to go on PM that person!


To Bunny lover: How is Bell doing? Have there been any signs of medicalproblems or stress? You should probably bring her to see the vet justin case I hope everything is ok with Bell! Let us know how she isdoing.


~Amy

 

[m.e.]

Yes, bunnylover, I know a lot of people are thinking of Bell this morning. Do let us know how she is doing.

 

[DaisyNBuster]

I'm agreeing this post has got too far now. Iwill be PMing Carolyn as I am sure others have. Its not fair thatBunnylover's post has gotten completely off track and you are causingpersonal attacks at people. I recommend that if you have nothingconstructive to say to Bunnylover,then you nowshoulddrop it and say nothing.This board isn't forname calling and the like.

I really hope Bell is ok today. Please let us know when you get achance as she may have gone into shock in the night. Praying for thelittle one.

Vickie

 

[Fergi]

BunnyLover, I am so sorry to hear about Bell andyour dogs. I would be awful torn. I don't know if you remember but inNovember my dog Jedi killed my bunny Ben. It wasn't Jedi's fault, Benwent after him and he responded in a normal manner by biting Ben. Benjust wasn't big enough to survive a dog bite. I never punished Jedi forthis but I certainly had some resentment toward him for a time.

One thing you could try if you haven't yet is clicker training. Putyour dogs, one at a time, on leash by the bunnies. If the dog lungesfor the rabbits correct with a leash jerk and say LEAVE IT!!! When yourdog looks at you click the clicker and treat. Practice this everyday afew times and you may just be able to train your dogs to not beinterested in the bunnies and to know they are off limits. Persistenceand consistency are key when training a dog. Labs are very intelligentand willing to please...if you show them what is expected of thembehavior wise when they are around your rabbits they do have thecapacity to learn a new behavior. I swear by clicker training. My 3month old German Shepherd dog already has learned sit, down, touch,leave it, come, stay, and wait, all taught with clicker training. I donot believe in punishing an animal for an instinctual behavior...I dobelieve in positive reinforcement when they do the right thing andignoring them when they don't.

As for the kitten, was it on your property? If so your dog was doingit's job by protecting your property from an unknown animal...certainlynot the dogs fault, why was the kitten left to defend itself outside?

I hope you are able to make everything work out...time and patience arekey when desensitizing an animal from a past behavior that isunacceptable but it can certainly be done.

If you have any questions on clicker training PM me and I will give yousome links to some awesome sights and chat forums that may be quitehelpful to you in your situation. Kuddo's to you for rescuing anabandoned animal! I really hope Bell recovers well.

Fergi's mom

 

[dixonsrabbitry]

We had a border collie that started doing that.Some guys stopped near our farm house one and drove our ducks into theneighbors ditch. They killed them. The dog got ahold of the ducks thatnight before we even knew they were there. She got the taste of blood.Now this was a dog that normally good around around them, and the otheranimals. She started killing cats, chickens, geese, ducks, and otherother animals. We tried just about everything with her. Because of herbeing a collie and a high strung dog, we could not confine her. Weended up getting rid of her. So yeah if a dog thats not normallysupposed to kill other animals, gets the taste of blood, they will doit again, no matter what.

 

[ayglnu13]

We need to STOP talking about dogs killing otheranimals...this post is about Bell and how she is doing....not aboutblood and dogs and death.....:?

~Amy

 

[dixonsrabbitry]

I have grown up around farm dogs. Yes they canget the taste of blood if they are given the chance. All it takes totrigger it is for them to get ahold of a live animal and kill it forfun, or to get ahold of one thats already been killed. It is not amyth. See my post about the collie. Hunting dogs are bred for hunting,not killing other species they were not bred to hunt. Collies qare bredfor herding not killing. in all honesty no hunter wants a dog that willkill other species without any proper training, and no farmer wants adog that starts killing livestock by getting the taste of blood.

 

[Fergi]

dixonsrabbitry wrote:

We had a border collie that started doing that. Some guysstopped near our farm house one and drove our ducks into the neighborsditch. They killed them. The dog got ahold of the ducks that nightbefore we even knew they were there. She got the taste of blood. Nowthis was a dog that normally good around around them, and the otheranimals. She started killing cats, chickens, geese, ducks, and otherother animals. We tried just about everything with her. Because of herbeing a collie and a high strung dog, we could not confine her. Weended up getting rid of her. So yeah if a dog thats not normallysupposed to kill other animals, gets the taste of blood, they will doit again, no matter what.

Please do some more research into animal behavior before passing adeath sentence onto a dog...your statements are not true for someonewho has the time and patience to do the right training with theiranimals. I have trained dogs for years and never met one that Icouldn't train or desensitize from a unwanted behavior. Dogs DO NOTknow blood lust...just instinctual behavior with a big payoff. I thinkit is time for you to leave it be. Not everyone justs wants to give upand ship their dog off.

Fergi's mom

 

[dixonsrabbitry]

But her dogs *have* killed other animals. Andwere allowed to continue doing that after she was told to keep themaway from the rabbits. Just a few weeks ago she posted about one ofthem killing a pet rabbit right in her back yard where the dogs wereallowed to have access to the bunnies. I don't see any reason to givesympothy here over something that could have been prevented.

 

[Carolyn]

Already about the dogs! You've been asked a million times to cut it out!

I agree with mesilly about the dog not being smacked around - and I'mactually glad mesilly said something, and I also think Janelle makes agood point, but Enough is Enough!

You don't have to say something 5 different times to make us understand it.


-Carolyn

 

[dixonsrabbitry]

So I guess letting the dog run around killingother animals is ok. No matter what you do for training, the dog willalmost always do it again if its given the chance. And that dog I wasjust talking about was one we had as a kid. She started biting andattacking us kids after that incident. We had to get rid of her. Itsnot like we didn't have much of a chioce.

 

[Fergi]

At the same time why do you want to punish theanimal if you feel the owner is at fault? Wouldn't it be morebeneficial to offer advice on how to desensitize the animal and teachit the appropriate way to react. I didn't realize that if you make amistake your animal should suffer the consequences.

Fergi's mom

 

[Carolyn]

Janelle,

We get it...please stopit!

We all understand what you'resaying. You have made yourpoint, and one that I happen to agree with - but you need to know whento back off.

-Carolyn

 

[ayglnu13]

Fergi wrote:

Please do some more research into animal behavior before passing adeath sentence onto a dog...your statements are not true for someonewho has the time and patience to do the right training with theiranimals. I have trained dogs for years and never met one that Icouldn't train or desensitize from a unwanted behavior. Dogs DO NOTknow blood lust...just instinctual behavior with a big payoff. I thinkit is time for you to leave it be. Not everyone justs wants to give upand ship their dog off.

Fergi's mom

I agree, my neighbors dog (a Husky) killed my other neighbors rabbit,actually it killed EVERYTHING in sight. Then they started clickertraining her and now she is working her way to becoming a therapy dog,and so far hasent killed an animal since her training

~Amy

 

[Carolyn]

Some dogs willkill no matter how much you train them.

BunnyLover, please let us know how your rabbit is doing by starting another thread.

-Carolyn

 

[Fergi]

Carolyn wrote:

Some dogs willkill no matter how much you train them.

BunnyLover, please let us know how your rabbit is doing by starting another thread.

-Carolyn

Shoot Carolyn, I never thought we would disagree on something but Idon't believe your statement is correct...I have studied dog behaviorfor years and years and never, ever, met a dog that couldn't be trainedif it was done in the correct manner. I will digress from here on out,this is not a debate forum of which I am aware.

Fergi's mom