Good Day/Bad Day

[MyBabyBunnies]

RaspberrySwirl wrote:

Right there with you Buck and Pam. I was raised in a family that took care of those things themselves also. It never meant anyone cared any less for an animal. It was just the way it was. It's only been in the "recent" past that putting an animal down at a veterinary was even an realistic option for most people. I think most breeders of any animals take care of those matters themselves.

Well there is one huge difference between Canada and the USA that Iwould like to point out in this post. I know that a lot of Americans carry guns around for protection, but in Canada that is completely different, it's not allowed and many people do not own a gun. That leaves the vet to put an animal down humanely. I also know that people call the vet out or take their pets to the vet clinic when something is wrong and sometimes the best solution is to put the animal down and generally people don't say no to the vet and 'take care of it themselves'.

Just a point I'd like to make.

 

[pamnock]

Very good point!

There is actually a huge sign as you drive into our town that states "Lose your gun, lose your rights". (or something to that effect)

I don't really like guns and am not comfortable handling them, but take them for granted because, since I've been little, guns have always been in our house.

Hubby has a license to carry a concealed weapon (although he generally doesn't). Fourteen year old son, Ryan, owns a number of guns (including a hand gun)and enjoys target shooting as well as hunting. Matthew also enjoys target shooting and has been taught gun safety since he was very little.

I think there's is a major difference in a child who has been brought up around guns, taken safety courses and uses a gun frequentlyas opposed to a child who lives in a household where a parent may have a gun for protection, but the gun is never handled or used.This is where you often see cases of the "misuse" of a gun.

Pam

 

[MyBabyBunnies]

See that's the biggest difference between Canadaand the USA. Many people would suffer culture chock going from onecountry to another. It's a little scary being a Canadian and travellingin the States, the way of life is very different.

 

[Dolores Lindvall]

Yes, there is that chance of it being hereditary. In doing this with the sheep, I ended up saving the life of the ewe...which was the primary concern. In"lucking out" and having her lamb again and again afterwards, I got a huge bonus. Otherwise, I'd have lost her.....had several diethat way after waiting for the vet to get out there to put them together and sew them up. Time is of essence in trying toprevent the infection.

And, my husband, at the time, did have to use his pistol a few times when there was no way out of it.

- Dolores



pamnock wrote:

Dolores Lindvall wrote:

This isone of the things that is not fun, but happens everyonce-in-awhile. I did get so I could put the uterus back in aewe, sew her up, have her live, and lamb again. Had to cutthe stitches when she started into labor. And the uterus didnnot come back out again. Trying to do that with a rabbitmight be an entirely different story.....the space being sosmall! I never did have a doe who prolapsed. Justlucky, I guess!

- Dolores

The thought did briefly cross my mind They do it with cows also. There is the issue that if there is a chance that it's a hereditary pre-disposition, I wouldn't want to continue breeding that genetic weakness into the line.

Pam

 

[*nepo*]

I'm sorry about the doe. But Congratulations on the kits .

 

[sunnysideup]

pamnock wrote:

She was crying a little at first, but did munch on a littlehay. Ryan said he would "take care of her for me", so I bundledher up in a towel handed her gently over and went to wait in thebarn. Ryan quickly dispatched her with a hand gun and said not toworry, that she wentinstantly & was not afraid.

It's one of thosevery, very, verydifficult aspects of raising animals

Pam

I'm very impressed with your fourteen yr. old 'taking care of her' for his mom and little brother, and then telling you she went instantly and was not afraid. What a remarkable young man you have there.

 

[RaspberrySwirl]

sunnysideup wrote:

I'm very impressed with your fourteen yr. old 'taking care of her' forhis mom and little brother, and then telling you she went instantly andwas not afraid. What a remarkable young man you havethere.

Ditto!

 

[RaspberrySwirl]

I'm almost laughingtrying to imagine what Laura's view of us is right now! But I love youdearly sweetheart and don't want to make light of the situation! I dothink a lot of people outside of the US see us as a bunch of roguecowboy types! Every woman walking around with guns strapped to ourgarter belts and men with six shooters at hisside! It is an issue we take very seriously hereand it's a large part of our culture. I'm quite certain from some ofthe discussions we've had here on the forum that there are several ofus that have grown up with guns/hunting as part of our family lifestyleand it's totally natural to us. We know it no other way and wouldn'tchange it.

Raspberry

 

[MyBabyBunnies]

I know and I know it's just a difference in our societies but there really is a huge difference between our 2 countries.

I talk to many Americans on the internet, many of which hunt and whatnot but I just could not see myself walking down the street knowing that someone is bound to be carrying a gun in their purse!

It's often been said that travelling in the States is dangerous for Canadians. When Americans see our license plates they know full wellthat we are probably not carrying a gun and it does make us easy targets.

It's just that generally people here don't always have the means of 'taking care' of their own animals.

 

[Dwarf_Angel04]

We recently had a gun agruement in my household.

I had went to a "Women in the Outdoors" event and loved range shootin'with a .22 rifle. My dad happens to love it as well so he went out andbought .22 rifleso we could have a hobby together. My motherwas TOTALLY against having a rifle in the house and didn't want inhere. My parents grew up in the same rural town but the two familieshave different ideas of guns. My dad had sat down with my brother andinformed him of gun safety. He informed that the gun was never to beloaded in the house and that he was not to touch it except on therange. It also has a gun lock on it that requires a key to unlock andmy father and I are the only ones with the key. After lots of talks andarguements my father and I took my mom and brother on to a range. Well,needless to say, everytime dad and I go to the range my brother and momfollow!

If I ever had to 'take care of' my rabbits I would use it to do so.However, for now my aunt 'takes care of' my rabbits when needed. Ihardly take rabbits to the vet because when having so many if can getquite expensive. If I can't fix the problem myself and withthe help of other rabbit breeder friends then theres not much hope. Ihave more knowledge in curing my rabbits then any vet in my area does.:shock:

~*~Amanda~*~
breeder of Dwarf Hotots

 

[bluebird]

I dont know too many people that carry a gun inthere purse.we dont all have guns. okay i do, but we dont own any hand guns.I was raised around guns and hunting.I never looked at a canadian license plate and thought they are unarmed.bluebird

 

[RaspberrySwirl]

bluebird wrote:

Inever looked at a canadian license plate and thought they areunarmed.bluebird

Actually until MyBunnyBoys just told us,I never knew they couldn't have a gun....and I consider myself fairlywell educated about most things.Maybe this is one of thosethings that more of a "criminal element" would focus on to use againsta Canadian.

Raspberry

 

[Delphinum]

And why just Canadians?! A Britishaccent is an immediate sign of no guns! In fact, in mostplaces, just having a different accent brands you a tourist so youbecome a target for criminals. :?

For example,my friends and Iwere in Dublin and allof us have Scottish accents. Having been out for a few hours,we decided to get a taxi back to the hostel we were stayingin. For a 2 minute journey, the taxi driver charged us 25euros! We'd all had a few drinks and thought that maybe itwas just expensive in Dublin... the next night, however, we werecharged 5 euros for the same journey! :X Livid!

I didn't know Canadians didn't have guns either Raspberry, that's my thing I've learnt for the day! LOL

Ang xx

 

[m.e.]

My dad owns quite a few guns. Some are for targetshooting/hunting (hasn't had any succuss yet ), but most are WWI-eraantiques that he has restored. I personally don't like to handleguns. I dunno. . .too much power, makes me feel uncomfortable. But myyounger brother and sister know how to properly handle weapons, how toact responsibly with them, and of course, regardless of that the ammois always locked away. I don't really "like" guns, per se, but I don'tmind having them in the house. I think it really demistifies them forkids, they're not some forbidden fruit, they know what guns can do andwhat not to do with guns.

As far as dispatching an animal, I personally feel more comfortablewith a lethal injection. I just want to be there when they die, Icouldn't handle my last memory of them with a gun. I don't have aproblem with the practice, I just wouldn't be able to do it.

 

[MyBabyBunnies]

Well we can have guns, but you have to have itregistered now and what not. People here generally don't have them andmost don't know how to use them!

And when I meant that Canadians are easy targets, I didn't mean theaverage person was going to come up to us and shoot us! I meant thatwe're easy targets for theives.

 

[Jems]

MyBunnyBoys wrote:

Well we can have guns, but you have to have it registerednow and what not.

I personally don't have any guns and don't care to have them in myhouse although my b/f and sons like to hunt. The main reasonis there are kids in the house and even though they are taught aboutguns and told never to touch them without an adult-I know my kids andone of them would just be showing off and bring out the guns.

But I do believe that guns have to be registered here in the US as welland background checks are supposed to be done before the sale iscomplete. People convicted of a felony (and maybeothers) are not allowed to possess guns. Like everything elsethough there is always a ways around things. Guns get soldillegally on the streets every day.

 

[MyBabyBunnies]

I wa not saying that's the difference betweenCanada and the USA. I was saying the whole mentality of guns isdifferent between Canada and the USA. People here don't carry themaround for protection (I'm not saying everyone does). The chances ofrunning into someone carrying a gun in the USA (notnecessarilywith harm indended to anyone)is muchlarger than in Canada. I do believe people can be charged withPossession of a Weapon if caught with a gun in a public place hereunless you have a specific reason for carrying one (eg. policeofficers). Not a lot of people have guns here; farmers probably do haveguns because they use them to scare off coyotes or kill badgers, etc.

It's just the mentality that's different between Canada and the USA. Most Canadians probably don't even know how to use a gun.

 

[pamnock]

RaspberrySwirl wrote:

sunnysideup wrote:

I'm very impressed with your fourteen yr. old 'taking care of her' forhis mom and little brother, and then telling you she went instantly andwas not afraid. What a remarkable young man you havethere.

Ditto!

Ryan loves animals and has a good heart. He has also handledguns and hunted since he was very young and is a good sportsman with acompassionate heart. I'm very proud of him It'svery important to me that an animal is treated with dignity, and it'swelfare looked after, no matter what it's purpose.

Pam

 

[pamnock]

pamnock wrote:

There is actually a huge sign as you drive into our town that states"Lose your gun, lose your rights". (or something to that effect)


Pam

I read the sign as we drove home today-- it actually states:

"Lose your gun, lose your Liberty"

 

[m.e.]

MyBunnyBoys wrote:

It's just the mentality that's different between Canada and theUSA. Most Canadians probably don't even know how to use a gun.

Neither do most Americans According to TV shows, American cities arerife with gun violence, and gun crimes are almost everywhere! heh. ..right. Guns are around, yes. But they're really not asprominent as you may think. Hunters comprise the majority of gunowners, followed by people who shoot for target, as a sport (an Olympicone, I might add), and those who carry them for protection and/orcriminal intent. The last category is quite miniscule, when you look atthe rest of the U.S. population.

*edit*

And in light of Pam's post, I will add that there is a subculture ofgun owners that are more. . .radical. It's not that they're violent oraggressive, they just really like their 2nd Amendment rights . Butagain, they really don't represent the larger body of Americans. WhereI live there are very strict firearms ordinances.