What is Frosted Cream Harlequin?

[FlopsyBunnies4]

Hi,

My doe, Beatrix, has a long line on her pedigree of Frosted Cream Harlequins. She, herself, is a Chesnut VM. But definitely carries the ej gene as she always has at least one harlequin baby in her litters even though the dad doesn't carry it. Basically, my question is how do you get a Frosted Cream Harlequin? The breeder said for a while no one put the harlequin base color on their pedigrees. She started adding the frosted cream because it is distinct. I'm curious how you tell the difference between and Frosted Cream and a normal harlequin?

There are lots of Vienna Marks and Bews on her pedigree.

Beatrix's Frosted Cream great Grandma:


Beatrix's dad:

 

[Cara]

I don't know the answer to your question but I have to say, these bunnies are absolutely beautiful!

 

[SableSteel]

No such thing as a frosted cream harlequin. Sounds like the buyer was adding words to try and make her rabbits seem more unique.
The harlequin base color comes from the black part, not from the orange part. For example, black harlequin, blue harlequin, chocolate harlequin, etc. You could put japanese harlequin (eg black japanese harlequin) to differentiate between magpie. But nobody tells apart the harlequin's base color by the pheomelanin part. And "frosting" is only something that shows up in certain dilute colored kits, a paleness to the tips of their coat, which goes away when they molt out of the baby coat. There is a color called frosted pearl, and one called frosty, but those are chinchilla-based colors, so they can never have cream in them.

That first rabbit you posted is a vienna mark cream and the second one is a vienna mark black (japanese) harlequin

 

[FlopsyBunnies4]

Thanks.

I thought it was a little odd as I have never heard of a "Frosted" Cream Harlequin before. Plus, she said it was very distinct and I couldn't tell any difference between Cream and Frosted Cream, lol. It all makes sense now, thanks for helping me out in my cluelessness about rabbit colors.

Is there such thing as a Cream Harlequin or is it the same as a Blue/Fawn Harlequin? Beatrix has had a few babies who look like creams or lighter with little grey/blue spots when bred with a solid Blue Point.

Beatrix's babies: Color? The two with a white background had very, very subtle markings (just a spot on the tail and a splotch on the ear). While the one with a wood background has more markings around its ears and face.

 

[Happy Hollands]

In order, it appears you have a blue tort, black / orange harlequin, and blue tort VM. So cute!!

Personal sidenote: I know this breeder you are referring to quite well. So well, in fact, that "Little Imperial Prince" (the harlequin buck pictured) sired one of my favorite litters a while back!
However, I stopped working with her back in February when I found out she was not being honest and her lines had bad genetics, which led to many disappointments A very upsetting experience as a breeder who was just starting out! I remember her using the term "frosted" a lot and, as other members have said, it has no meaning to it and simply away to make her bunnies seem fancy and rare. This, unfortunately, leads to inaccurate pedigrees.

That being said, your baby bunnies are so cute and I wish you luck selling them! I know the market is very competitive on the West Coast right now.

 

[FlopsyBunnies4]

Hmmm, ya. That is so funny that you know the same breeder!! I’m sorry it was not a good experience for you.

I’m not sure if the two babies are blue torts given the agouti markings and blue/grey patches, but maybe I’m wrong just the blue Tory babies I’ve had in the past don’t look like them. The black/orange harli makes sense tho!! Thank you so much for your help