Vets won't help till friday!

[n.parker40419]

HELP! ME AGAIN!! Last Tuesday he was over heated. I got him cooled down he went back to.his normal self... vet said same....this week


NOT EATING GREENS TONIGHT, NOT EVEN INTERESTED, ALERT MOVING, SITTING AND LOOKS LIKE HES CHEWIN SOMETHING BUT HAS NOTHING!?

DOESNT SEEM TO.HAVE TOUCHED HAY.

VETS WONT HELP TILL FRIDAY HERE! WHAT COULD IT BE?!?!

 

[JBun]

If he's not eating, not pooping, and is sitting hunched up grinding teeth, that's called GI stasis. Any painful condition can cause it, but often it will be from some digestive upset. I will usually try some baby gas drops(simethicone, dosing in link below), 3 doses an hour apart, and often that will get them back to eating and acting normally again. If my rabbit isn't starting to get back to normal after that and/or there are signs of bloat or true fecal diarrhea(not just mushy cecals), bun hasn't eaten for more than 12-24 hours, or the rabbits condition deteriorates, then it is an emergency and the rabbit needs to be seen by a rabbit vet immediately.

So if this is the case with your rabbit, you could try phoning the vet back and say your rabbit has stopped eating for more than 12 hours, and is hunched and tooth grinding and that it's an emergency. If they still won't fit your rabbit in, then try and find a vet that will today, even if you have to travel a bit to get to one. Or find an emergency clinic that has a vet experienced with rabbits.

If you still can't find a vet that will fit your rabbit in today or tomorrow at the latest, then I would continue with the gas drops, then maybe add a little unflavored pedialyte to replace lost electrolytes and restore blood sugar levels. You just don't want to be syringing in very much in case it is a bloated stomach or a complete intestinal blockage, as this will add more volume and pressure on the affected organs, which could prove fatal.

But if by tomorrow you still can't get your rabbit in, if there's no bloat occurring then I would start considering starting syringe feeds. It's not recommended in most cases as it can cause serious complications if a rabbit has a complete blockage or bloat, but it's also not good for a rabbit to continue to go without eating for an extended period.

https://rabbit.org/gastrointestinal-stasis-the-silent-killer-2/
https://rabbit.org/vet-listings/

 

[n.parker40419]

So he was layin down a moment ago, my son did feed him to carrots sticks yesterday without my knowledge yesterday could that do it? He seems like he wants to eat but won't. Should i get drops and administer them like you said? Emergency vet i called today wouldn't take him. They had "too many" Emergencies. He JUST hopped in his box to pee. Is that good?

 

[ArtistChibi]

Peeing is fine, but the other concerns that @JBun listed should be taken into account. Follow the instructions listed and keep an eye on him.

 

[n.parker40419]

Peeing is fine, but the other concerns that @JBun listed should be taken into account. Follow the instructions listed and keep an eye on him.

Heading out to get supplies now and calling other vets in the morning!!

 

[JBun]

I'm not a vet, so I can't tell you whether or not you should give the gas drops, as I'm not qualified to tell you what to do medically related. I can only provide information and what I would do.

If his behavior seems normal but he just won't eat, dental problems can be a cause for this type of thing where a rabbit seems like they want to eat but they are reluctant to chew. For something like this, softened food can sometimes get them eating again, until they can be seen by a vet. Oxbow critical care mix for herbivores is the usual feeding mix used, but a rabbits usual pellets soaked in warm water and made into a mush(made fresh, can't be left out or bacteria will grow) is a possible substitution. Then I would offer this pellet mush and see if this gets bun eating again. If it does then a dental issue may be what's going on.

http://www.bio.miami.edu/hare/dental.html
Something to also keep in mind when determining the cause, is that if your rabbit was very seriously overheated last week, true heat stroke can sometimes result in permanent neurological and organ damage occurring, which potentially could be the cause of the GI stasis and lack of appetite now. So that is something the vet you end up seeing should investigate, with possibly needing xrays and blood tests done to determine this.

https://wabbitwiki.com/wiki/Heat_stroke

 

[n.parker40419]

If he's not eating, not pooping, and is sitting hunched up grinding teeth, that's called GI stasis. Any painful condition can cause it, but often it will be from some digestive upset. I will usually try some baby gas drops(simethicone, dosing in link below), 3 doses an hour apart, and often that will get them back to eating and acting normally again. If my rabbit isn't starting to get back to normal after that and/or there are signs of bloat or true fecal diarrhea(not just mushy cecals), bun hasn't eaten for more than 12-24 hours, or the rabbits condition deteriorates, then it is an emergency and the rabbit needs to be seen by a rabbit vet immediately.

So if this is the case with your rabbit, you could try phoning the vet back and say your rabbit has stopped eating for more than 12 hours, and is hunched and tooth grinding and that it's an emergency. If they still won't fit your rabbit in, then try and find a vet that will today, even if you have to travel a bit to get to one. Or find an emergency clinic that has a vet experienced with rabbits.

If you still can't find a vet that will fit your rabbit in today or tomorrow at the latest, then I would continue with the gas drops, then maybe add a little unflavored pedialyte to replace lost electrolytes and restore blood sugar levels. You just don't want to be syringing in very much in case it is a bloated stomach or a complete intestinal blockage, as this will add more volume and pressure on the affected organs, which could prove fatal.

But if by tomorrow you still can't get your rabbit in, if there's no bloat occurring then I would start considering starting syringe feeds. It's not recommended in most cases as it can cause serious complications if a rabbit has a complete blockage or bloat, but it's also not good for a rabbit to continue to go without eating for an extended period.

https://rabbit.org/gastrointestinal-stasis-the-silent-killer-2/
https://rabbit.org/vet-listings/

Im getting gas drops now!

 

[n.parker40419]

If he's not eating, not pooping, and is sitting hunched up grinding teeth, that's called GI stasis. Any painful condition can cause it, but often it will be from some digestive upset. I will usually try some baby gas drops(simethicone, dosing in link below), 3 doses an hour apart, and often that will get them back to eating and acting normally again. If my rabbit isn't starting to get back to normal after that and/or there are signs of bloat or true fecal diarrhea(not just mushy cecals), bun hasn't eaten for more than 12-24 hours, or the rabbits condition deteriorates, then it is an emergency and the rabbit needs to be seen by a rabbit vet immediately.

So if this is the case with your rabbit, you could try phoning the vet back and say your rabbit has stopped eating for more than 12 hours, and is hunched and tooth grinding and that it's an emergency. If they still won't fit your rabbit in, then try and find a vet that will today, even if you have to travel a bit to get to one. Or find an emergency clinic that has a vet experienced with rabbits.

If you still can't find a vet that will fit your rabbit in today or tomorrow at the latest, then I would continue with the gas drops, then maybe add a little unflavored pedialyte to replace lost electrolytes and restore blood sugar levels. You just don't want to be syringing in very much in case it is a bloated stomach or a complete intestinal blockage, as this will add more volume and pressure on the affected organs, which could prove fatal.

But if by tomorrow you still can't get your rabbit in, if there's no bloat occurring then I would start considering starting syringe feeds. It's not recommended in most cases as it can cause serious complications if a rabbit has a complete blockage or bloat, but it's also not good for a rabbit to continue to go without eating for an extended period.

https://rabbit.org/gastrointestinal-stasis-the-silent-killer-2/
https://rabbit.org/vet-listings/

How will i know if the drops are working?!? Will he literally just pass gas?!

 

[n.parker40419]

I'm not a vet, so I can't tell you whether or not you should give the gas drops, as I'm not qualified to tell you what to do medically related. I can only provide information and what I would do.

If his behavior seems normal but he just won't eat, dental problems can be a cause for this type of thing where a rabbit seems like they want to eat but they are reluctant to chew. For something like this, softened food can sometimes get them eating again, until they can be seen by a vet. Oxbow critical care mix for herbivores is the usual feeding mix used, but a rabbits usual pellets soaked in warm water and made into a mush(made fresh, can't be left out or bacteria will grow) is a possible substitution. Then I would offer this pellet mush and see if this gets bun eating again. If it does then a dental issue may be what's going on.

http://www.bio.miami.edu/hare/dental.html
Something to also keep in mind when determining the cause, is that if your rabbit was very seriously overheated last week, true heat stroke can sometimes result in permanent neurological and organ damage occurring, which potentially could be the cause of the GI stasis and lack of appetite now. So that is something the vet you end up seeing should investigate, with possibly needing xrays and blood tests done to determine this.

https://wabbitwiki.com/wiki/Heat_stroke

this isthe dropper but it says to give him 1mL but .3 ml is for an infant?! Do i really give him more then a baby?!

 

[JBun]

Rabbits have a very fast metabolism, so they usually require much higher doses of medications than other species. Though this isn't really a medication but an antifoaming agent to reduce surface tension. So it's more about giving an adequate amount to reduce the amount of foaming in the digestive tract. Rabbits can't vomit or burp, so this is why gas production can be so detrimental to them. I've always given at least 1ml to my rabbits when it's been needed.

(more precise dosing info)
https://wabbitwiki.com/wiki/Common_drug_dosages_for_rabbits
You know it's working if the rabbit starts eating on it's own again and is back to acting normally. I once had a rabbit that developed severe stomach bloat. I had given her simethicone(gas x) as a last resort right before I was going to rush her to the vet. Just before I was getting ready to leave, she suddenly stopped tooth grinding and sitting hunched and trembling, and she started eating and was back to being perfectly normal again.

So if digestive gas is the problem, it can certainly work in my experience. But only if that's what's causing the lack of appetite. Simethicone isn't reported to be harmful as it's just an antifoaming agent. So if gas isn't the issue then it's just not going to cause any improvement, but also shouldn't cause any harm in trying it.

 

[JBun]

Though do keep in mind, this is all general info. There is always the possibility of particular animals to have sensitivities to something that is generally considered safe for most other animals/rabbits.

 

[n.parker40419]

Rabbits have a very fast metabolism, so they usually require much higher doses of medications than other species. Though this isn't really a medication but an antifoaming agent to reduce surface tension. So it's more about giving an adequate amount to reduce the amount of foaming in the digestive tract. Rabbits can't vomit or burp, so this is why gas production can be so detrimental to them. I've always given at least 1ml to my rabbits when it's been needed.

(more precise dosing info)
https://wabbitwiki.com/wiki/Common_drug_dosages_for_rabbits
You know it's working if the rabbit starts eating on it's own again and is back to acting normally. I once had a rabbit that developed severe stomach bloat. I had given her simethicone(gas x) as a last resort right before I was going to rush her to the vet. Just before I was getting ready to leave, she suddenly stopped tooth grinding and sitting hunched and trembling, and she started eating and was back to being perfectly normal again.

So if digestive gas is the problem, it can certainly work in my experience. But only if that's what's causing the lack of appetite. Simethicone isn't reported to be harmful as it's just an antifoaming agent. So if gas isn't the issue then it's just not going to cause any improvement, but also shouldn't cause any harm in trying it.

This is him now after 1 dosing, giving 2nd now but hes breathing a little heavy and fast for me

 

[JBun]

If he is still not eating and is acting lethargic, floppy, any sort of abnormal concerning behavior that his condition is deteriorating, needs immediate emergency vet care. That's really the only thing that can be done is trying to find an emergency vet that can fit you in now.

If he's just relaxing like that, is acting normally otherwise, but still won't eat, all I can think of is that it would be his teeth causing the problem, and I would try a pellet mush to see if that would work.

 

[n.parker40419]

If he is still not eating and is acting lethargic, floppy, any sort of abnormal concerning behavior that his condition is deteriorating, needs immediate emergency vet care. That's really the only thing that can be done is trying to find an emergency vet that can fit you in now.

If he's just relaxing like that, is acting normally otherwise, but still won't eat, all I can think of is that it would be his teeth causing the problem, and I would try a pellet mush to see if that would work.

I just woke up to check on him.....


He didnt make it. I'm devastated thank you for all your advice i just didn't get him in quick enough

 

[ArtistChibi]

I'm really sorry for the loss.

 

[Freedom]

Oh no. So sorry for your loss. Know that you did everything you could and gave him the love and care he deserved. Sounds like there were other possible things going on. Hugs. And cherish the time you had with him.

 

[CrazyChickenGirl]

He had a very loving and attentive owner which is more than so many buns can dream of. He had one amazing person and I’m sure he knew it. Blinky free wonderful bunny!

 

[NorthernNevadaHollandLops]

So very sorry for your loss.

 

[SirLawrence]

So sorry for you to have this happen, but it sounds like you did all you could! I've given one of my buns simethicone many times, and it seems like you did everything right, but it may have been more severe than gas or stomach upset. If he had an obstruction or torsion, there was little if nothing you could have done.

He was loved, and that's more than most buns ever get. ❤ ❤ ❤

If it's not too painful, can I know his name?

 

[Momma Luvbun]

Small poops means something, we just dont know what yet, or if its good or bad

I just woke up to check on him.....


He didnt make it. I'm devastated thank you for all your advice i just didn't get him in quick enough

I am so very sorry for your broken heart.
I know this pain all to well, losing my black beauty the way I did .
She was so loving, I doubt I will again find one Soo sweet.
Know that your bunbun is no longer suffering and you did all you could for the time you were given.
Please don't play the "what if..." game in your head, it won't do you any good. This I know all to well too
It's been 3 long years of my heart trying to heal, and it doesn't even feel 3/4 healed. Must be the part she took with her when she left me.
Condolences again to your heart and those of your family
Sending healing vibes your way
May that journey be a swift and steady one to ease