Very Disturbing Petsmart Video

[okiron]

I don't agree with the concept of if you love animals you must love PETA. Anyone who knows me will tell you I love my animals and all animals alike, but I hate PETA with a passion. So please do not start with "I thought this was a forum for people who loved animals." Disagreeing with people is fine and expected, do not put their character to judgement.

 

[Spring]

Everyone has such different views and opinions.. which makes this forum wonderful and so diverse!

We all love animals here, and want to do the best for it. Everyone also has different opinions, which we work together to solve the issue or problem at hand.

Sometimes words and posts can be misinterpreted, and I am sorry bunniesrule you found GentleGiants post as being directed anger, which I don't think was her intent .

I am also terribly sorry that you feel you have misunderstood this forum. People are passionate about these kind of issues, which is wonderful! We can just try to work together with different points of view, to understand each other and the issue at hand.

In any situation with people passionate on both sides of a discussion, it can get just that - very strong and passionate. We can try to keep it focused and positive in the future.
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I think everyone should go hug a bunny.. lift your spirits a bit after such an upsetting topic.

 

[Bo B Bunny]

Spring, your insight and maturity never fails to amaze me!

PETA probably was started with the basic idea being great! humane treatment. Unfortunately there are fanatics with unrealistic beliefs.

Regarding the video - you can't hold Petsmart responsible for some of the things that are on a local level. You can let them know and if they continue to allow it (if it truly is what PETA is saying it is - some things aren't as they seem) then hold them accountable! definitely.

UNFORTUNATELY for the animals - the stupidity that hovers over the PETA organization has caused many of us to disregard or at the very least, be leary of anything they produce as "evidence."

Whoever that vet was doing that bunny's surgery - I'd like to personally handle his case..... for the information on him - PETA should get an award if he is caught!

Case in point just for fun:

Bulls are ridden by cowboys in a rodeo - my bro inlaw is a bullrider. PETA comes and starts a fuss that it's SO inhumane to ride these bulls. Ok.... those bulls aren't hurt, they are taken care of like you wouldn't believe! some are big money makers and probably get better treatment than the people working the rodeo. Still PETA says it's inhumane and they should be left to do what they were born for.....

That would most likely be going to a slaughterhouse........

yeah.

 

[bunniesrule]

Never said I love PETA, in fact if you read the post I said just the opposite, that I don't agree with their tactics. All I said was it should be about the poor animals in the video but I guess people will read into things whatever suits their personal views. Pretty sad that this becomes about personal attacks. As a long time volunteer with a rabbit rescue, a foster mom for rabbits as well as having 2 of my ownand a business owner who holds animal adoptions for rescue organizations at my place of business on the weekends not sure how I became the bad guy here. But if it makes you feel better to attack me instead of doing something to stop animal abuse and cruelity then feel free. I will always do what I can to try to put a stop to things like were shown in the video.

 

[Pipp]

bunniesrule wrote:

Never said I love PETA, in fact if you read the post I said just the opposite, that I don't agree with their tactics. All I said was it should be about the poor animals in the video but I guess people will read into things whatever suits their personal views. Pretty sad that this becomes about personal attacks. As a long time volunteer with a rabbit rescue, a foster mom for rabbits as well as having 2 of my ownand a business owner who holds animal adoptions for rescue organizations at my place of business on the weekends not sure how I became the bad guy here. But if it makes you feel better to attack me instead of doing something to stop animal abuse and cruelity then feel free. I will always do what I can to try to put a stop to things like were shown in the video.

I don't see anybody attacking you, and it seems to me that everybody in this thread is holding pretty much the same views.

Best to get the focus back on the animals.

Personally, these guys are tons better than Marshall Farms and while I consider ALL breeding mills and pet stores evil -- the lattersells living beings indiscriminately,promote impulse buying and don't educate -- this isn't the worst I've seen.

I'd like to seethe focus off PETA and back onto the inhumane practices (the worst or not) depicted in the video.

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sas:?

 

[Bo B Bunny]

Do most areas (in the United states and other countries) have regulatory people who check randomly the stores who sell pets?

I wonder if Petsmart regulates Banefield completely or is it a separate entity within the store system..... ?

 

[gentle giants]

I'm sorry if you thought I was attacking you, that was not my intent at all. I think you may have misunderstood whatI was trying to say, I will try to clarify a little.

bunniesrule wrote:

You are also not informed about the video. It is not in Petsmart. It is a breeding facility that Petsmart employs to breed animals for sale in their stores.

It does begin inside a Petsmart store, then it goes to the breeding facility footage.

I don't believe any animals should be treated this way, even if it is just one store as you say. All animals deserve compassion.

Of course they do!!! I hate to see animals mistreated anywhere, I never said I didn't care about them.

Just because one or two people who say they worked at a Petsmart and had a good experience doesn't mean that is the way it is in all stores or breeding facilities. I agree wtih that too. But the opposite goes as well.

I personally experienced a Banfield/Petsmart vet giving my rabbit a medicine that is deadly to rabbits. So don't preach to me about how wonderful Petsmart is. Isn't it a good thing that the bad is exposed so it can be fixed? Or just because an organization you hate exposed it we should ignore it? I'm sorry about your rabbit, thank goodness you discovered the vet's mistake in time! A bad vet can be anywhere, though. I wasn't trying to say Petsmart was wonderful, what I meant was that because an organization with a reputation for lying made this video, I am giving the store the benefit of the doubt.

Petsmart has a responsibility to know what is going on in its breeding facilities, just as a manufacturer of clothing has a responsibility toknow what is going on in its factories.

I agree with that as well, but I doubt that PETA making this video will make them change anything they are doing now, whether it is good or bad.

 

[browneyedgal]

PeTA may be an extremist group and you will certainly have be discerning as to what they publish. I don't support nor reject theirideology.However,I believe that the films they have taken are real and are certainly not staged.Ionly feel extremely sad for the poor animals who had to sufferso much.



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[Pipp]

We don't have very many rules here, but two of them are no discussions of rabbit 'production' including meat and fur, and noanimal rights extremist activities, we stick to the middle ground.This thread is crossing the line.

Browneyedgal, I'm sure people can find that footage on numerous PETA links, but we'd rather not have it here, I hope you don't mind.



sas :expressionless

 

[browneyedgal]

that's ok pipp. And btw I'm not supporting any animal rights extremist movement at all.

 

[Pipp]

gentle giants wrote:

I agree with that as well, but I doubt that PETA making this video will make them change anything they are doing now, whether it is good or bad.

Somebody on Etherbun (where this topic is now banned, btw) wrote to PetSmart and got this reply, so if they're sincere, things may just change.

sas


(reposted with permission)


Danielle Gornall <xxxxxx> wrote:

Well I just got a response from Petsmart...here it is...please everyone write them...you never know, it may save an innocent animal's life...

Dear Mr. Gornall,
Thank you for taking the time to contact PetSmart. We're deeply concerned about some of the disturbing images that were shown in the PETA video and have launched a full-scale investigation of our own regarding the allegations that have been raised. If our investigation concludes that our own high standards of pet care are not being met by this vendor, then appropriate action will be taken. For all the details on this and PETA's other campaigns, please visit www.petsmartfacts.com. We will update this site as more information becomes available.
Sincerely,Amanda MaloneyPet Safety Specialist​

 

[Pipp]

Nut, I pulled your post because it was more of the same about PETA and mainly because it included some inflamatory and unsubstantiated claims that we really don't want to get into here.

If you feel strongly that the post should remain, please PM me and maybe an edited version might be workable.

I think we can declare the generic PETA discussion a dead horse. We'd appreciate it not being brought up again.



sas :thanks:

 

[wordstoasong]

My sister was telling me about that video. I can't believe what they do to the poor animals! I mean clorax for cleaning! ugh!

 

[BlueCamasRabbitry]

That is horrible!That placeshould be fined and have their animal-selling-license (or whatever it is) taken away. They should not be able to get away with that, whatsoever! I think the investigators should have brought in ASPCA people one day and had them seize all the living animals.

Those poor betta fish! It makes me want to go to PetSmart, ask to buy a fish, when they hand it too me in that small of a bag, I'll be like "Uhm, can I get a bigger bag for my fish? Like a 1-gallon bag? He needs more room "

Gosh those poor animals.

Emily
ETA: Pipp, if you have to fix my post, etc. you can!