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[kgarver]

AnnaS - cows can't produce milk unless they givebirth. they give milk for a specific amount of time and then go dry.this is why they are intentionally impregnated over and over to producemilk for humans. that's why some people think it's inhumane becausethey are forced beyond their natural limits.

 

[Spring]

Hmm i'm not sure. All I know is that I needdairy products for a goodcalicum source, and I need calcium.I could get it from vegetables or soy milk, but I choose to drink milk

 

[kgarver]

i wasn't knocking anyone who drinks milk. i justwanted AnnaS to know that cows won't keep giving milk. Ithink most cows give milk for up to 10 months and then go dry and haveto have another calf.

i don't think drinking milk or eating meat is wrong, i just think theway they do it is wrong. because the demand is so high, the animals(cows, pigs, & chickens especially) are often treatedincredibly inhumanely. they're also pumped full of hormones and stufflike that. this is why i try to get organic, free range products. it'snot that much better but it's something...

i just think the industry could and should do a lot better by the animals and stop choosing quantity over quality.

 

[Lissa]

Spring wrote:

Hmm i'm not sure. All I know is that I need dairy productsfor a goodcalicum source, and I need calcium. I could get itfrom vegetables or soy milk, but I choose to drink milk

Soy milk is actually quite good. My husband and I get 8th Continent and it's excellent.

 

[AnnaS]

kgarver wrote:

iwasn't knocking anyone who drinks milk. i just wanted AnnaS to knowthat cows won't keep giving milk. I think most cows givemilk for up to 10 months and then go dry and have to have another calf.

i don't think drinking milk or eating meat is wrong, i just think theway they do it is wrong. because the demand is so high, the animals(cows, pigs, & chickens especially) are often treatedincredibly inhumanely. they're also pumped full of hormones and stufflike that. this is why i try to get organic, free range products. it'snot that much better but it's something...

i just think the industry could and should do a lot better by the animals and stop choosing quantity over quality.

I don't know about US, but in Canada they don't give hormones to animals.

They do give them antibiotics in a moderate amount and this is bad forhumans since when humans get treated with antibiotics, their bodies maybecome resistant to the drug.

I also try to buy free range eggs and meat.I tried findingorganic meat for my baby, there almost none of it and the prices arejust out of the blue. 17 dollars for a small chicken, regular chickenis 4 dollars. They make organic stuff so expensive, people can't affordit. In theory it should all be organic if they would not have changedthe way things were 100 years ago.

 

[Lissa]

There are a lot of unethical things happening infactory farming. It's definitely worth lookinginto. Though many here are adverse to organizations such asPETA, I can honestly say PETA has opened my eyes and changed my life ina good way.

 

[JimD]

gentle giants wrote:

I am the same way (except I don't know what foie gras is).....

"Foie gras: French for "fat liver", is the term used by "gourmets"for livers of ducks or geese enlarged to many times their normal sizeby cruel force-feeding."

~JimD

 

[BunnyMom]

kgarver wrote:

idon't think drinking milk or eating meat is wrong, i just think the waythey do it is wrong. because the demand is so high, the animals (cows,pigs, & chickens especially) are often treated incrediblyinhumanely. they're also pumped full of hormones and stuff like that.this is why i try to get organic, free range products. it's not thatmuch better but it's something...

i just think the industry could and should do a lot better by the animals and stop choosing quantity over quality.

It's also incredibly unhealthy to for us eat things full of hormonesand pesticides. Not to mention the lack of nutrients fromtrying to mass produce foods to get them to the market morequickly. Eat a tomato from Grandma's garden and eat one fromthe supermarket and you'll taste a BIG difference!

I don't drink milk either, but that's due to lactoseintolerance. I never liked the taste anyway, so I don't missit. I do put soy or rice milk in my coffee.

 

[AnnaS]

I don't think soy is good for you either since its all GE(genetically engeniered).


Vegetables have pesticides in them and due to that lack nutrients. Meat and eggs have antibiotics.
Milk has whatever cows eat and I don't even want to know what it is. Personally I drink goat milk, its organic.

So when I think about all of this, I lose appetite all together.

BunnyMom wrote:

kgarver wrote:

i don't thinkdrinking milk or eating meat is wrong, i just think the way they do itis wrong. because the demand is so high, the animals (cows, pigs,& chickens especially) are often treated incredibly inhumanely.they're also pumped full of hormones and stuff like that. this is why itry to get organic, free range products. it's not that much better butit's something...

i just think the industry could and should do a lot better by the animals and stop choosing quantity over quality.

It's also incredibly unhealthy to for us eat things full of hormonesand pesticides. Not to mention the lack of nutrients fromtrying to mass produce foods to get them to the market morequickly. Eat a tomato from Grandma's garden and eat one fromthe supermarket and you'll taste a BIG difference!

I don't drink milk either, but that's due to lactoseintolerance. I never liked the taste anyway, so I don't missit. I do put soy or rice milk in my coffee.

 

[Lissa]

AnnaS wrote:

I don't think soy is good for you either since its all GE(genetically engeniered).


Vegetables have pesticides in them and due to that lack nutrients. Meat and eggs have antibiotics.
Milk has whatever cows eat and I don't even want to know what it is. Personally I drink goat milk, its organic.

So when I think about all of this, I lose appetite all together.

Soy milk is very good for you. As far as vegetables and fruits, go organic.

 

[Jenniblu]

Arrgh - I had a whole page and accidentally erased it - oh well.

The condition of battery-cage hens is one of the reasons I purchasedchicks for eggs this year. I cannot imagine hens roughly thesame size as my "girls" crammed into tiny little cages their wholelives never to feel the sun or scratch in the ground.

The potential health concerns were also a factor. Mostfactory farms choose to use large numbers of animals, feedpoorer/cheaper food, and constantly use medicines to combat theinevitable sicknesses that come with stressing andovercrowding. Fewer numbers of animals, feeding higherquality of food, and having top-notch sanitation would produce a"product" (sorry) of superior quality, but at a higher price for boththe producer and consumer.

We, as the consumer, are partly to blame for this: we wantfood for the least amount of money possible. If it were allabout quality then the organic stuff wold fly off the shelves first,then the cheaper altered stuff would be left behind.

My girl's eggs are big with dark, almost orange yolks a rich butterytaste and thick brown shells that are hard to crack at times.That and the knowledge that at least 5 hens will live out their dayssunning themselves on the lawn make them taste great to me.Chickens can live to be 12-15 years old but most commercial hens arenot kept past their "prime" - 1.5 years.

Happy hens = happy eggs. More importantly though may be this: Healthy hens = healthy eggs.

 

[Spring]

So true! I love eggs straight from the farmchickens. They taste fuller and buttery (like you said) the ones youbuy at the store taste gummy and lack of flavour. I was going to getchickens a few years back as pets but my friend said that they attractrats, raccoons and other things that I don't want. I can't rememberwhere I heard this, but someone said that there's a breed of chickensthat produce green eggs are are very healthy? If animals for their meator products were treated right, I wouldn't feel as bad as I do.

 

[Nicky Snow]

Jenniblu wrote:

We, as the consumer, are partly to blame for this:we want food for the least amount of money possible. If itwere all about quality then the organic stuff wold fly off the shelvesfirst, then the cheaper altered stuff would be left behind.

Happy hens = happy eggs. More importantly though may be this: Healthy hens = healthy eggs.

Very well said! and i agree. i buy "free range" eggs with the hopesthat this means the hens get to run around and are healthy. i alsodon't have lots of $ to spend on Organic food, and don't eat alot ofmeat.

consumers will never change, the masses will continue to buy lessexpensive products even if the quality is lower. ignorange is bliss?

i personally believe our government should create legislation toregulate food products and animal treatment, and municipal, provincialand federal officers to enforce the legislation. but i'm not holding mybreath. :?

 

[Jenniblu]

Good point, Nicky. Some sort ofreasonable legilaton would be better in the long run. If Iweren't such a softee, I'd raise my own meat, but for now I'll justlive off of eggs, cheese, beans, and soy milk.

 

[Spring]

Same. I know it's wrong but I sort of push thethought of slaughter and that stuff to the back of my mind if I can. Iknow it's not right, but I don't see the way they do things changingany time soon. I would go vegetarian if I had to raise my own meat. Godbless those poor animals .

There's this live stock auction I've been to once or twice and theysell rabbits. Most are for pets and go to homes, but the larger breedstend to be sold as meat. I felt terrible leaving a dozen of them there.I've been thinking a lot about getting anotehr rabbit, and the thoughtof one of these big rabbits seems like a pretty decent choice to me. Idon't know how much they weigh, but I'd say around 12-15? I haven'tgiven thisidea much thought as I don't know the first thingabout big rabbits (compared to my netherland!)

I doubt you could handle one of these guys properly. How muchcage space would they need? I'm also worried about if it had anydisease or illness (Sometimes the rabbits are kept in cages withdifferent rabbits, chickens and sometimes ducks). I don't wanttobring a disease or something into the house and maybeinfect Pepsi with it. Any ideas? I jsut feel so bad

 

[AmberNBuns]

onder:Where did I put my soap box?

I saw the "your mommy kills bunnies" propaganda and it is absolutelydisgusting the way some people will fill up on good intentions and thenmanipulate people in order to get their point across. If there is agood argument, then logic, factual debate and reasoning should beenough.

IMHO, the problem is that people are inherently extremists. Iacknowledge that it is cruel to cage chickens the way they do, but thisdoes not make egg farming evil, and it does not make eating eggs wrong.

It is cruel to mistreat any creature. But I believe that there AREresponsible farmers who raise animals humanely before they are broughtto death, humanely. It is our responsibility as consumers to do theresearch and support these humane farmers by purchasing their products.

I came to the realization quite some time ago that I would be miserableif I dwelled on things like animal cruelty, homeless children, POWs,tourists kidnapped from Mexico City and enslaved (it does happen)...These terrible things happen everywhere, every day. There is no way tosave every bunny that is purchased for easter and then set free becauseit is a hassle. I used to go CRAZY thinking about this stuff.

The best thing I can do is be responsible in my own decisions. (Thinkglobally, act locally -finally makes sense to me) I feel thatif I were an animal, I would want to be raised in a comfortablehabitat, with space to do whatever things animals do. And when my timecame, all I would ask is that my death be quick, painless and fearlessas possible.

I intend to grow my own produce, and raise my own livestock. Only thenwill I know what went into it, and how it was treated during it'slife. Americans are very detached from their sources - Iimagine there would be a lot more vegetarians out there if theresponsibility of slaughtering for meat were placed upon the individualconsumer.

 

[Lissa]

I laugh at people who think PETA isextreme. PETA is for animal welfare. Animal rightsis a totally different ball game. There you get theextremists that compare animal companions to slaves. I fightwith these people on a daily basis. I support PETA 95% of thetime.

 

[AmberNBuns]

To each his own.

If you don't think animals should be kept as pets, don't keep an animal.

If you don't think children should be spanked, don't spank your children.

If you don't think animals should be eaten, don't eat meat.

If you don't think the earth should be polluted, don't drive your car.

If you don't think animals should be worn, don't use leather.

If you don't like clearcutting, buy a home made from brick.

The point is everyone is responsible for their own decisions. It is notwrong to spread a message as long as one is willing to leave it atthat. Anyone who goes beyond information is just trying to impose theirwill upon others, and that is no more respectable than fur farming.

 

[Lissa]

AmberNBuns wrote:

Anyone who goes beyond information is just trying to imposetheir will upon others, and that is no more respectable than furfarming.

I don't really agree with that. I will influence peopleas much as I possibly can. I've stepped over theline, but I in no way see a comparison between overstepping boundariesand tearing the flesh off a live animal.

 

[Shuu]

Porposely imposing your view onto others doesnot make them change their mind. Facts, information, and discussionmay. If anything, you'll just make them ignore you and thataccomplishes nothing.