RIP Jordan :(

[Pipp]

He had a huge clump of poop stuck to him and was sitting on another big clump when I first took a good look athim today (late in the day because George, the crazy guy who's staying in my living room was in a 'mood'). He was prettylethargic, didn't fight the butt bath much, but he was still kicking, thought he'd be okay with some fast action.

I took the Pedialyte out of the freezer, ran went to the store to get some gas meds, took him out to give him some...his head was already rolling, his abdomenwas horribly bloated and he started gasping and trying to scream. I went to put him back in his pen wrapped in a towel to let him go in peace, but I think hewas gone before I even put him down.

I thought it wascecal dysbiosis, now I'm thinking (from the smell) it wasdiarrhea and he had severe bloat. Don't think he stood a chance.

Not sureif I fed him something or if George did (can't keep George from feedingmy guys) that triggered it, but he was fine last night, ate his veggies and pellets, same thing everybody else got. Noticed he didn't eat his haytoday, I should have lookedcloser then.

Really haven't been watching his poops,he spent three days at the vet's last month, they never did figure out the problem. He hadn't been getting out much, either, poor bunny (not that he ever went more than a couple feet from his cage).

George probably knew he was sick, which iswhatsetoffhis 'mood.' This will send him into afull blown psychosis andmake him extremely hard to deal with, he's horrible even when heimagines a bunny isn't feeling well. And if he gave him calf-manna or something, he'll have hidden guilt.

Not sure what I'm supposed to do now, never lost a bunny before. He's in his cage wrapped in a towel with his little head peekingout.. eyes open...

Just his two sisters now.

I'll be moving this to the Bridge I guess. :sad:



:cry1:

 

[tundrakatiebean]

:hug:i'm sorry Sas



urplepansy:binky free little man...

 

[timetowaste]

oh geez...i'm sorry, pipp

binky free jordan! :bunnyangel:

 

[FallingStar]

Pipp, I'm so sorry about your loss. :tears2:


*hugs*

Binky Free Jordan. :rainbow:

 

[SnowyShiloh]

Pipp, I'm so sorry :tears2: Poor little Jordan. I don't know his story, but I'm sure he had a good life with you. Losing bunnies is SO hard... :hug:

 

[cheryl]

Oh no,i'm so sorry Sas

Rest in peace little one

Cheryl ink iris:

 

[AngelnSnuffy]

Oh man, Sas. I know. It's horrible.

RIP Jordan:rainbow:

You be a strong girl and know we're with you:hug:!

 

[PixieStixxxx]

Oh no Sas... I'm SO SORRY about Jordan =[ I saw him on Petfinder, and he looked like such a sweetie. Poor little guy.. I'm glad he got to be in a wonderful bunny home at the least.

Maybe he'll meet up with Muffy <3

RIP Jordan.

:rip:

 

[maherwoman]

That is just horrible, Sas...I'm so so sorry...I wish I had better words for you through this...but I know that words just don't help...

Love to you...and your buns...and George, too...:hug:

 

[Marietta]

Sas, I'm so sorry for your loss...don't know what to say to you. Words cannot express the feelings in such times. The sight of a dead bunny is both scary and heartbreaking, the first time is even worse, I've been there... From your description, there was no way he could have been saved, but you already know that.

If you feel like it, PM me at any time, I'm there for you.

Marietta

 

[Bo B Bunny]

:tears2:

I'm sorry. I wish you knew what happened.

RIP little Jordan.

 

[slavetoabunny]

I'm so sorry you lost Jordan. RIP little fellow.

 

[seniorcats]

My deepest sympathies on the loss of Jordan. He is having a nice Craisin and Binky with Wilbur at the bridge.

 

[Pipp]

I'm not sure what causes bloat... And in Jordan's case, at least two of his littermates have died, and they're young bunnies, just a yearold I think.

And I'm having second thoughts that it was bloat. He looked like he emptied his lower GI tract,but it was in a big clump that came off pretty easily, don't think it was true diarrhea.

And I didn't notice him bloating when I rinsed him off under the tap (andthinking back he was pretty weak then, btw), the expanding abdomenwas only was really noticable when I had him on my lap just before he died. Those bothcould have been an end stage reaction from something else?

I'll be taking him into the vet's office today, SARS cleared a necropsy, the clinic should do it for free.

Not looking forward to this trip. Carrying him on the bus and walking into the vet's office... :cry2



sas :sad:

 

[Pipp]

PS: Started a Bridge thread for him here:

http://www.rabbitsonline.net/view_topic.php?id=32172&forum_id=27

I'll keep this one for medical stuff.



sas

 

[aurora369]

Wildfire did a similar thing when she passed. She emptied her bowels in a matter of a few hours. She was fine and eating in the morning, but when I got home from school she had a large mass of poop on her butt, and died as I was trying to wash it off.

I think it's natural and part of the dieing process for some animals. They know they are dieing, and they void their systems to prepare.

We'll see what the necropsy says, but I'm putting in my vote for some sort of cancer. Both Sara and Cookie both had severely cancered organs when they died, and it was completely non-preventable.

--Dawn

 

[maherwoman]

Watching this thread, too, for results of sweet Jordon's necropsy...

That's nice that they pay for it...

Hugs to you, Sas...

Rosie*

 

[Pipp]

Well I asked them to call me but they called Lisa, so this is a bit second hand..



-----Original Message-----
From: LISA HUTCHEON [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 4:36 PM
Subject: Re: RE: jordan

Jordan had his autopsy

Nothing specific was found but alotof irregularities (just like the others)

- hematomaon the colon

- liver was very fragile

- intestines full of food while stomach was full of food.....the pylorusleading to the intestines may be too small? Thus the diarrhea

- did he have a liver shunt?



My reply to Lisa:

I wonder what they mean by the liver being ‘fragile’. Did they rule out hepatic coccidiosis?

Ibelieve Cookie’s liver was said to be cancerous, but I was also told it was severely blackened and shriveled (?), don’t know if it actually had tumors.

Did Martinez (or whoever) say for sure there was a thickening or defect of the pylorus for sure? If so, I wonder if overfeeding contributed? (I previously had trouble with Bunny George feeding them without my knowledge or permission, so they’d end up overfed, thought he was over that, but maybe not).

His soft poops were always pretty sizable, don’t think that changed much, the last bout of diarrhea I think was just the end stage reaction, as was the abdomen expending.

He had been losing weight when he went in last month, but seemed to be gaining it back.

I’m going to look into other causes of this kind of liver issue, but could use more info on what they found in that area.

Why are necropsies always inconclusive?

I can just drop a line to the clinic. Maybe I can just get a copy of the report.

Thanks,


Sas

 

[pamnock]

Pipp wrote:

Why are necropsies always inconclusive?


Sas

Unless there is an obvious physical defect (heart abnormality, cancer, stroke, infection, injury), it can be very difficult to determine the exact cause of death.

Many of the abnormalities found during the necropsy can be secondary signs that don't pinpoint what the exact primary cause of death was.

Viral illnesses are especially difficult to define. Rotavirus is one illness rabbits can contract that can result in liver failure, so I wouldn't rule out a possible viral infection.

Pam

 

[BlueGiants]

I'm so sorry Sas... (I know how it is to not know why... even after a necropsy.) My sympathy on you loss of sweet Jordan. :sad: