RIP Jordan :(

[TreasuredFriend]

Jordan had wonderful humans caring for him. He knew lotsa love. My sympathies.

RIP little guy,

 

[maherwoman]

Oh I wish the necropsy had cleared up SOMETHING for you...

:hug:

 

[pumpkinandwhiskersmom]

Binky-free sweet Jordan. I'm so sorry for your loss, Sas.

 

[Pipp]

pamnock wrote:

Viral illnesses are especially difficult to define. Rotavirus is one illness rabbits can contract that can result in liver failure, so I wouldn't rule out a possible viral infection.

Ugh, still no word back from the vet, and Dill and Sherry just managed to get into the area where I had just taken Jordan's cage away, lots of old poop and pee in that corner, I hope they don't catch anything.

Thanks for all the good wishes in this thread. I'm thankful he went so quickly. (And to be honest, I'm thankful it wasa foster bunny and not one of my own). Poor Jordan.I just really hope it wasn't viral.



sas

 

[Offspring2099]

Sorry to hear about the little guy.

 

[Pipp]

Pipp wrote:

Jordan had his autopsy

Nothing specific was found but alotof irregularities (just like the others)

- hematomaon the colon

- liver was very fragile

- intestines full of food while stomach was full of food.....the pylorusleading to the intestines may be too small? Thus the diarrhea


My reply to Lisa:

I wonder what they mean by the liver being ‘fragile’. Did they rule out hepatic coccidiosis?

Ibelieve Cookie’s liver was said to be cancerous, but I was also told it was severely blackened and shriveled (?), don’t know if it actually had tumors.

Did Martinez (or whoever) say for sure there was a thickening or defect of the pylorus for sure? If so, I wonder if overfeeding contributed? (I previously had trouble with Bunny George feeding them without my knowledge or permission, so they’d end up overfed, thought he was over that, but maybe not).

His soft poops were always pretty sizable, don’t think that changed much, the last bout of diarrhea I think was just the end stage reaction, as was the abdomen expending.

He had been losing weight when he went in last month, but seemed to be gaining it back.

I’m going to look into other causes of this kind of liver issue, but could use more info on what they found in that area.

Ivory and Randy, any comments?

 

[TK Bunnies]

I'm so sorry!! Poor little guy. :bigtears:

Binkey Free little guy!!:rip:

-TK

 

[Pipp]

Ooops, forgot to put this here, Randy and Ivory ended up PMing me their comments.

(For the record, I think its very important NOT to PM knowledgeable people, the whole board should share, I just PM'd them as a reminder to check the thread).

From: ra7751
Date: 2008-01-26 08:35:45
Subject: Re: jordan's autopsy comments?

Wow....that brings back memories. I suspect the liver had been damaged byE Cuniculi. That is almost exactly what happened to Sabrina. She always had issues....but at that time, nobody knew anything about EC. In Dec. of 2003, she started to have more GI problems and was losing weight (and fur). The day we lost her, I noticed a large lump in her abdomen while examining her. It was swollen. X-rays showed it was so large that it was restricting her digestive tract. It was so large that we thought it might be a fatty tumor so we decided to risk surgery. It was her liver. Severely damaged it actually popped itself thru the incision. As we were closing her after she died, the liver deflated like a balloon and was all dark and shriveled up.

I think the hematoma probably was the root cause of the loss of this rabbit. The liver could have played a part in that....or mycotoxins can do the exact same thing with the liver and those toxins will cause gastric ulcers. I lost a beautiful Hotot named Maxx. At the time, we had 19 rabbits.....18 of them got sick. The common thing...and the only thing the 19th rabbit didn't have access to.....was the hay. I got up one morning and noticed Maxx didn't look well. Within hours, he had blown up like a balloon and his stomach was huge. We never made it to a vet and he died in my hands. At least it was quick. Odd thing, we had this to happen with the same brand of hay for three years in a row. And it always happened in late May....around Memorial Day here in the US. I don't use this hay provider any longer. They contend it wasn't their hay....but every rabbit that ate that hay got sick.

But I sure would like to take a look at the full report if you can get your hands on it.

Randy

_____Original Message_____
From: Ivory
Date: 2008-01-27 14:22:37
Subject: the other thing

... Pam had a good response- those autopsy results were typical. A viral or genetic abnormality is possible. The pylorus being deformed or too small (what may possibly be Erik's problem as well) is what I was thinking when I first read the results.

Rotavirus is another good suggestion, as is a genentic defect. Judging by the description of the siblings I'd say that it was something hereditary.

 

[JimD]

i'm so so sorry

...binky free little one

ray::rainbow:

 

[Flashy]

:hug1