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Hello there,
I had a 7 month old rabbit die when he was neutered. Both the vet and breeder assured my I should fast my rabbit for 24 hours before surgery. When they went to put him out for surgery, he went into stasis and could not be saved. What exactly went wrong here as the breeder wants me to pay them back for the damages of the rabbit I bought from them. I'm not really sure how to handle this because it is very distressing the breeder wants me to pay them thousands of dollars for damage when the rabbit was only 40 bucks. I want to cry.
 
This sounds horrible. First, sorry for your loss. 😢

Secondly, I'm not a vet, but I've never heard of fasting a rabbit before surgery, as their GI tract can't really afford to stop. Aspiration isn't really a factor under anesthesia, as they physically can't vomit. My vet advised the exact opposite, actually, that I should keep him eating, and DO NOT fast him.

Third, I'm not a lawyer, but why is the breeder trying to charge you for damages? You purchased the rabbit, so it's your property; I don't see the claim in this case. Unfortunately, pets are considered property under the law (US), and a bill of sale (or exchange of good/services/currency) makes the property yours. That would be like Hyundai wanting me to pay them for wrecking my car...

This whole story reeks (to me) of veterinary mal-practice (or a vet that doesn't know rabbits acting outside their knowledge), and a careless (possibly criminal) breeder, who also doesn't know about rabbits.
Confirm with a lawyer, but do not cave to pressure from these folks! If anything, you have a claim against the breeder for emotional trauma arising from improper direction, and possible harassment (which is a criminal law, not civil) from wanting you to pay more. Not sure about veterinary malpractice, but I would at least report them to your state veterinary licensing board. To keep them from harming any more rabbits in the future...

I know it's probably emotionally stressful, but can you provide more detail? Again, I'm not a professional of any kind, I just wanted to share the thoughts that went through my head...

Not sure if anyone on this forum can provide you with leads for legal counsel for pets, but If anyone can, I'm sure they're on here!
 
Hello there,
I had a 7 month old rabbit die when he was neutered. Both the vet and breeder assured my I should fast my rabbit for 24 hours before surgery. When they went to put him out for surgery, he went into stasis and could not be saved. What exactly went wrong here as the breeder wants me to pay them back for the damages of the rabbit I bought from them. I'm not really sure how to handle this because it is very distressing the breeder wants me to pay them thousands of dollars for damage when the rabbit was only 40 bucks. I want to cry.
Do not pay the breeder, the breeder should pay you. You paid for the rabbit and they have no right to ask for money from you. I would sue the breeder and the vet (if that's possible) for mis information causing the death of your rabbit
 
How exactly is this breeder demanding money from you when you already paid for your rabbit? First off, DO NOT DO IT! DO NOT GIVE THEM ANY FORM OF PAYMENT. Also, do not give them any personal information if you haven't already, such as your full name, and especially your address. You need to speak to the police first. It sounds like this person is trying to pull a scam on you. If you aren't an adult but under 18, if you haven't already, you need to inform your parent(s) or legal guardian about what is going on with this breeder.

What I would suggest doing is keep any written communications or verbal messages this breeder has left or sent to you, particularly anything that has them verbalizing this threat and scam they are trying to pull. And write down and document everything that has happened so far with this person. How and when payment was made for your rabbit, everything you can remember that this person has said to you. And from now on I would keep all communication with them through email or text so you have a written record of everything they have said to you.

Depending on what they are saying exactly, this may not just be considered a scam but could amount to fraud, harassment, or even blackmail. You need to contact your local police department and talk to them about the threats that have been made against you and file charges against this person, if the police determine this is the appropriate course of action

As for the fasting, ANYONE telling you to fast your rabbit doesn't know what they are talking about. Rabbits should NEVER be fasted, prior to surgery or anytime. Rabbits always need to be eating and have food moving through their digestive tract. A rabbit should never go more than 12-24 hours without eating an adequate amount of food or it's considered an emergency, because they become at risk of GI stasis and a potential gut blockage setting in from the digestive slowdown. In addition to these reasons, the primary reason a rabbit shouldn't and doesn't need to be fasted, is because they have no gag reflex and cannot vomit. Meaning, there's no need to fast rabbits, and because of the effect it can have on their gut function, it is actually considered harmful to do.

If the actual vet told you to fast your rabbit, then this vet isn't an exotics or experienced rabbit vet and should not be performing or treating rabbits at all. More commonly though, is that the receptionist is the one giving out these instructions because they haven't been properly informed of pre surgical instructions for rabbits, and so gives the standard instructions used for cats and dogs. This is still a huge and dangerous mistake on the vets part, one which they are still responsible for.

As for the vet, any knowledgeable rabbit vet knows a rabbit should never be fasted. In handling this issue, I would call their office and demand to talk to the person that runs the vet clinic(office manager) and file a complaint. If the receptionist or vet told you to fast your rabbit, you shouldn't be held responsible for any costs of the surgery or any care needed because of complications arising from their incorrect instructions to fast your rabbit. You can also file a complaint with the AVMA about this vet giving incorrect and dangerous pre surgical instruction that ultimately caused your rabbits death. What they did could amount to medical malpractice, or in the very least negligence. Be firm, be insistent. If they did give you instructions to fast your rabbit prior to surgery, they need to be held accountable for their mistake.

https://rabbit.org/gastrointestinal-stasis-the-silent-killer-2/
https://rabbit.org/pre-surgical-car...d dogs, rabbits,helps them to recover quickly.

https://www.avma.org/resources/pet-owners/yourvet/complaints-against-veterinarians
 
Hello there,
I had a 7 month old rabbit die when he was neutered. Both the vet and breeder assured my I should fast my rabbit for 24 hours before surgery. When they went to put him out for surgery, he went into stasis and could not be saved. What exactly went wrong here as the breeder wants me to pay them back for the damages of the rabbit I bought from them. I'm not really sure how to handle this because it is very distressing the breeder wants me to pay them thousands of dollars for damage when the rabbit was only 40 bucks. I want to cry.
Hi, so sorry about your loss. Your vet wasn't experienced with rabbits if they told you that. That is requirement for cats and dogs, but not for rabbits.

Not sure about damages. Why breeder involved at all after they gave you their rabbit. But I would like to hear both sides here, it sounds a little emotional, maybe they meant that you had to take care of the rabbit and you did wrong what caused his death? This a bit unclear here
 
This sounds like the vet and breeder are in cahoots and scamming you for money. Report them both to the police and report the vet to any applicable regulation body in your country. The vet is 100% wrong about the fasting and should be arrested for cruelty to animals.
 
This sounds like the vet and breeder are in cahoots and scamming you for money. Report them both to the police and report the vet to any applicable regulation body in your country. The vet is 100% wrong about the fasting and should be arrested for cruelty to animals.
Sadly, not all US states recognize animal cruelty like that. Not unless it's a dog or cat. :/
 
How utterly horrendous! Both that you have lost your bunny and that the breeder is now trying to scam you. I am sorry you are going through this.

I do not understand what the loss is that the breeder believes they have suffered, particularly at a level running into the thousands. You had already purchased the bunny. They cannot have suffered any financial loss to the level which they are claiming.

You relied solely on the advice of a veterinary professional and that of a breeder, presumably purporting to be a rabbit specialist. If anyone should be bringing and action for damages, it should be you, for the loss of your bunny and emotional distress.

Your vet provided negligent / erroneous professional advice to fast your bunny, so they are completely at fault. Perhaps threatening to bring a suit against the vet and the breeder might be enough to make them back off. How awful that they are making it this nasty though 😒
 
I really hope you report both the Vet and breeder. They need to be stopped from what they are doing immediately. I would be suing both of them too. It's absolutely disgusting behaviour. The breeder especially sounds like someone who shouldn't be dealing with animals full stop.
 
I really hope you report both the Vet and breeder. They need to be stopped from what they are doing immediately. I would be suing both of them too. It's absolutely disgusting behaviour. The breeder especially sounds like someone who shouldn't be dealing with animals full stop.

I agree with @MacDennis. But that depends on your motivations and financial situation, etc. Whatever you decide, please keep us posted, and we'll do what we can to help!
 
I am vary sorry. 😭😭😭 I am sorry that I can't help. I am sorry for your loss. RIP.
 

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