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TinysMom

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First of all - I want to thank everyone who visits this area. We appreciate the input we receive from both breeders & non-breeders. We have great discussions and many times y'all have made me think through what I believe.

But I need to share something...partly because I'm sick and feeling lousy and really don't want to see heated discussions going on in the rabbitry area that I have to moderate.

While we haven't yet formed an "official" forum policy - because our forum supports rescues and breeders - we do support breeding - but we support breeding that is done to enhance the breed. We support breeding that is done when the rabbits are given a good quality of life (vet visits, etc if necessary).

We are not fans of "backyard breeding" (that of putting two bunnies together just to create babies) - largely because there are so many bunnies out there in shelters that need homes. Why create more mixed breed rabbits when there are so many needing homes?

In addition - I have found through personal experience that you can breed a pet doe - and wind up losing it - or leading to a problem that shows up later on down the road. There are so many complications that can arise if you don't know what you're doing (and even if you do) - that we just don't support it or encourage it.

That doesn't mean however that we are not going to give help and advice to someone who is going to do this. We still have to put the rabbits first....even if we feel that the poster is not doing so.

What I need to remind everybody of - is the fact that while we feel passionate about our experiences, beliefs and knowledge - WE ARE NOT THE RABBIT POLICE. We are not here to MAKE people do something.


If you see a post that bothers you - I'm not saying you can't respond. I am saying that you should not attack the person ("you're stupid" or "how stupid", etc) - and I find that it really doesn't help to attack their choice.

Instead - please try to educate them. For instance, "Did you now that your doe should be over X months and under X years before you breed for the first time?"

or

"Have you thought about how often dwarfs have stuck kits that can create problems?"

You aren't pointing a finger at the person - but are instead - giving them something to think about.

It has taken me years to come to the point of reminding myself that even though I'm a moderator - I am not the rabbit police. At times I walk away from the computer in tears - or want to punch my fist through a wall - because I know someone is making a wrong choice for their rabbits.

Trust me - moderators understand how you feel!

But the point of our forum is to help the rabbits - and that is what we have to focus on - helping the rabbit the best we can - even if someone is not making the best decision.

Thanks for taking the time to read this. I really am feeling lousy and won't be around much for the next 24 hours or so I think - perhaps longer. (At least I can still type - I have lost my voice).

I appreciate all of you who read and post and I hope you know that this post isn't directed at any one person...but it is a reminder I think we all need.
 
I rarely read over in this forum section because I do not agree with some things and just seeing the words so carelessly throw out there makes me upset (like culling, for example), but I did happen to see this post from the main page and just have to say that I am shocked at how this forum gets along with one another - usually you see forums that are pro rescue and will not tolerate breeders of any kind on a forum... or on a forum where reputable breeding is allowed, if members know that a BYB is posting then the poster gets flamed really bad (like on a certain rat forum I am on).
 
undergunfire wrote:
I rarely read over in this forum section because I do not agree with some things and just seeing the words so carelessly throw out there makes me upset (like culling, for example), but I did happen to see this post from the main page and just have to say that I am shocked at how this forum gets along with one another - usually you see forums that are pro rescue and will not tolerate breeders of any kind on a forum... or on a forum where reputable breeding is allowed, if members know that a BYB is posting then the poster gets flamed really bad (like on a certain rat forum I am on).
Amy - I'm hoping you see this - but for everyone else.

"Culling" isn't an evil/bad word like folks often think it is.

To cull - means to remove from your herd.

So technically - I "culled" today - I sold two babies to a pet home. They're no longer part of my herd because they were not suitable for breeding.

I'm also "culling" another baby tomorrow (hopefully) as Gabby at the feed store might want her for her brother.

Culling can = euthanasia - but it doesn't always.


 
Peg....I know culling doesn't actually always mean killing, but you never know who does it and who doesn't do it, that is why I don't like reading posts where they mention culling....so that is why I don't read a lot in the rabbitry area - besides, I don't breed and never want to so I don't really have a lot to learn/read in the section. I do, however, click on your posts when I see them because I know you personally and I am curious to know about your breeding "adventures" :).


ETA: to add the word "always".



 
WOrds are very true, Peg. I usually just rant about things that irratate me to my horse or to my buns but never have i flamed at someone, it doesn't get you anywhere, excvept making enemies. I used to do rescues, on top of my breeding and show stock
 
Thanks, TinysMom, for writing this post. I know you aren't feeling well, and I hope that you are feeling better soon. You are so right that the emphasis needs to stay on the rabbits' wellbeing!
 
TinysMom wrote:
First of all - I want to thank everyone who visits this area. We appreciate the input we receive from both breeders & non-breeders. We have great discussions and many times y'all have made me think through what I believe.

But I need to share something...partly because I'm sick and feeling lousy and really don't want to see heated discussions going on in the rabbitry area that I have to moderate.

While we haven't yet formed an "official" forum policy - because our forum supports rescues and breeders - we do support breeding - but we support breeding that is done to enhance the breed. We support breeding that is done when the rabbits are given a good quality of life (vet visits, etc if necessary).

We are not fans of "backyard breeding" (that of putting two bunnies together just to create babies) - largely because there are so many bunnies out there in shelters that need homes. Why create more mixed breed rabbits when there are so many needing homes?

In addition - I have found through personal experience that you can breed a pet doe - and wind up losing it - or leading to a problem that shows up later on down the road. There are so many complications that can arise if you don't know what you're doing (and even if you do) - that we just don't support it or encourage it.

That doesn't mean however that we are not going to give help and advice to someone who is going to do this. We still have to put the rabbits first....even if we feel that the poster is not doing so.

What I need to remind everybody of - is the fact that while we feel passionate about our experiences, beliefs and knowledge - WE ARE NOT THE RABBIT POLICE. We are not here to MAKE people do something.


If you see a post that bothers you - I'm not saying you can't respond. I am saying that you should not attack the person ("you're stupid" or "how stupid", etc) - and I find that it really doesn't help to attack their choice.

Instead - please try to educate them. For instance, "Did you now that your doe should be over X months and under X years before you breed for the first time?"

or

"Have you thought about how often dwarfs have stuck kits that can create problems?"

You aren't pointing a finger at the person - but are instead - giving them something to think about.

It has taken me years to come to the point of reminding myself that even though I'm a moderator - I am not the rabbit police. At times I walk away from the computer in tears - or want to punch my fist through a wall - because I know someone is making a wrong choice for their rabbits.

Trust me - moderators understand how you feel!

But the point of our forum is to help the rabbits - and that is what we have to focus on - helping the rabbit the best we can - even if someone is not making the best decision.

Thanks for taking the time to read this. I really am feeling lousy and won't be around much for the next 24 hours or so I think - perhaps longer. (At least I can still type - I have lost my voice).

I appreciate all of you who read and post and I hope you know that this post isn't directed at any one person...but it is a reminder I think we all need.


I agree - we are the stewards of our rabbits in our care. Hope you feel better...I often have the loss of voice twice a year and if I try to speak, I sound like Minnie Mouse... always good for a laugh, even if it is at my expense!!!

Denise
 
I truly believe that selling rabbits with good temperaments to pet homes is wonderful, but I think that when you have rabbits that have aggressive personalities, the best thing to do with them is to put them down. You can't sell them, because they could really hurt someone (possibly a child) and you can't keep them and breed them because you'll just get kits that are the same way.
Thankfully I have not run into a mean kit yet, but if someday I do, I fully intend to put it down. I do not at all look forward to it, but I believe that the only way to raise rabbits with good temperaments is to cull for it. I do not mean to offend anyone on here, that is just my opinion.

Emily

Silver Star Rabbitry
Raising and Showing Quality Silver Marten Rabbits in North Louisiana.

http://silverstarsilvermartens.webs.com/
http://silverstarrabbitry.blogspot.com/

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Emily....you can get a rabbit spayed/neutered to see if their temperament evens out as they get older and then adopt it out to a pet home (putting down a teenage bunny isn't fair due to hormones that they can't control). I have an EL who had some really bad aggression issues with his previous owner and since getting him neutered 2 weeks ago, he has really calmed down and I know he will even out and be a sweet bunny as he ages :).
 
Silver Star Rabbitry wrote:
Thankfully I have not run into a mean kit yet, but if someday I do, I fully intend to put it down. I do not at all look forward to it, but I believe that the only way to raise rabbits with good temperaments is to cull for it. I do not mean to offend anyone on here, that is just my opinion.

Emily

Silver Star Rabbitry
Raising and Showing Quality Silver Marten Rabbits in North Louisiana.

http://silverstarsilvermartens.webs.com/
http://silverstarrabbitry.blogspot.com/

[email protected]
I'm glad you haven't run into a mean kit - and I'm thankful that we as a forum try to not discuss some issues like this - even in the rabbitry area since it does upset our pet owners so much.

Let's hope all your kits (and everyone else's) are safe, happy, healthy - and sweethearts!
 
undergunfire wrote:
Emily....you can get a rabbit spayed/neutered to see if their temperament evens out as they get older and then adopt it out to a pet home (putting down a teenage bunny isn't fair due to hormones that they can't control). I have an EL who had some really bad aggression issues with his previous owner and since getting him neutered 2 weeks ago, he has really calmed down and I know he will even out and be a sweet bunny as he ages :).
Unfortunately, breeders are unable to do this. Just as pet owners don't have the resources to spay or neuter lots of bunnies, we don't either. So trial and error altering isn't a realistic option for most of us.

With that being said, we are also unable to sell aggressive rabbits as pets. If a breeder did, even with full disclosure of the rabbit's attitude, it would be very easy for the new owner to get frustrated with the situation and blame the rabbit's temperament on the breeder. As in- "the breeder mistreats their animals, so the rabbit is aggressive" (which is generally not a true statement).

A breeder's goal is to selectively breed for correct breed type as well as good temperaments. So anything that doesn't fit that standard should certainly not be kept in the breeding herd, and no one wants to sit that burden on someone else's shoulders too. It may seem unfair or cruel to the bunnies, but we really do give as much lenience and effort as we can to each bunny and very rarely does anyone need to cull based on temperament issues. Breeders are able to differentiate between a rabbit who is acting based on hormones and which rabbits are just plain aggressive. Culling for temperament would be very far and few between.:)
 

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