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We would never hit Fraggles for any reason. Or any other pet for that matter. Fraggles sometimes boxes at us for cleaning her cage. When she does this I gently push her head down flat. This is what bunnies do in the wild to show who is boss. I can see any reason ever to hit your pet or someone elses with your hand or an object of any kind. That's just terrible.....
 
My cat will get over stimulated when petting and bite as well. She can be purring one second and I'm bleeding the next. Yet I have NEVER hit her! If I watch carefully she will twitch her ears about 2 seconds before biting, so I stop petting. If she bites me it is my fault for not being observant enough. I just tell her no.

Animals work on instinct. It is our job to see things from their point of view and react appropriately. In my opinion hitting is never appropriate.
 
Cheryl; Fraggles' body language does not in anyway suggest that this was light punishment. Also, she did not bite, or harm in anyway, the cleaner, so it was not a pain reaction. Fraggles was just having fun, from the sounds of it.

Also, rabbits can defend themselves, but only to a certain degree. Reuben attacks my broom when I sweep, but just one good hit and he'd be running; there's no way he could stand up to me if I started hitting him.

I think you are morally right withholding the pay check; you did after all have to pay for a vet visit, which if you had paid her the check, I think you should have asked that she pay for. Evens out.


Also, I have a hormonal rat who is very sweet and cuddly; he even gives me kisses on my face no problem! But sometimes, because his hormones make him grumpy, he bites. Hard. I have a couple of scars on my fingers, the bites are so deep. I mean, we all know how deep rodent bites can be! Sometimes I have been left unable to use a finger, but the most I have ever done was swear at him. Sometimes I feel like I could throw him across the room but you know what? After I have put something over the bite, I pick him up, and he gives me kisses. Sometimes with my blood smeared over his mouth. :p I have never hurt him, or come close to it, even with severe pain; the last bite sliced my hand open through to the fat cells. Nice one, Dodge.
 
Thanks to the both of you :) That's a great point that we did get her vet checked after the incident. Its the same as suing her for the vet bill I guess. I think what Jason meant was a bunny can't defend itself if a person attacked it. It could run away and I am sure Fraggles tried. She was breathing really hard like she had been running. The girl had her in a corner and it looked like Fraggles had just given up. She was all tucked into herself while the women was hitting her. She looked terrified and who knows how long she had been chasing her around the living room. We live in a private hall so there is no next door neighbor to ask how long the yelling had been going on. A rabbit can not defend itself the way a pitbull can. If you attacked a pitbull I think you would be on the losing end. But next to a person a rabbit (even a fat rabbit lol) is defenceless.
 
I don't don't hurt our animals either but I do let them know I am boss, even when we are playing. If that means a relatively gentle smack on the head (which is no different than them swatting each other) when they are being too rough, so be it. I know I am by far gentler to them than they are to each other.
 
I_heart_Fraggles wrote:
But next to a person a rabbit (even a fat rabbit lol) is defenceless.
Poor Fraggles. You know it must have been a dire situation to make Fraggles run. You should have her watch Monty Python and the Holy Grail. She can take lessons from the killer rabbit! :nasty:
 
please understand, i am not at all disagreeing with firing her, i just would paid her for all owed, prior to the abuse.
 
Katie: know that you did the right thing withholding that cleaning ladies pay. I would have done the same thing. Plus there was no contract between you and the lady. Great job firing her and withholding her pay.

Glad Fraggles is doing okay.

Rabbits cannot defend themselves against a predator. They can defend themselves against other rabbits.

Disciplining and hitting a rabbit are two different things. When you discipline a rabbit you are teaching it right from wrong and you explain to them what they did was wrong. Hitting a rabbit like the cleaning lady did was very wrong, she could have shooed Fraggles away, she could have told Fraggles to go to her pen, instead of hitting her.
 
My cats are afraid of our buns because they have been bitten and humped.
My 45lb terrier mix will also keep his distance from certain bunnies because they have bit and scratch his nose.
When we had momma bunnies, they were fierce. Our cats would not even get on the floor if they were out. I almost needed stitches from cage cleaning and feeding a pregnant doe. You will never convince me that they are completely defenseless :lol Against hawks, ospreys, etc. I agree but against some innocent house cat, dog or keeper, not so sure.
Again, I do think the woman should have been fired.
 
Cheyrul wrote:
I also clean houses and I pet sit for a couple of friends. I will tell you when I was watching my friend's cat, I was petting and scratching her, she was content and happy and out of no where she chomped on my hand and did not let go. I smacked the cat on the top of the head, she let go and I had broken skin. My friend also has the same problem with her cat, the cat bites when you least expect it. She also growls and hisses when I vacuum and mop.
Animals are very physical with each other, the shove, push and bite to communicate, a light swat with a hand or object, usually does not hurt them. I am in no way encouraging any abuse but I see it as no different than my bun nipping me when she wants me to move or scratch her head.
Are you serious??? :shock:
 
Cheyrul wrote:
I don't don't hurt our animals either but I do let them know I am boss, even when we are playing. If that means a relatively gentle smack on the head (which is no different than them swatting each other) when they are being too rough, so be it. I know I am by far gentler to them than they are to each other.
You.Are.Not.A.Cat/dog/rabbit. It is NOT the same. Please do not abuse your or other peoples animals.


Katie, you took the high road. And you are so beyond right in everything you did in this situation, it must have been horrifying to come home to see Fraggles like that :(
 
Hmmm it also depends on the cat and the dog on whether they will be afraid of a bunny. Just like there are some dogs you just don't trust with small animals.


Also would like to add cats rarely bite just all of a sudden for no reason. They will warn you with body language that they are getting annoyed/over stimulated, it's when you ignore or don't notice those warnings that you get bit. The language is subtle, so I can understand how it could be missed if you don't know what to look for.
 
Cheyrul wrote:
My cats are afraid of our buns because they have been bitten and humped.
My 45lb terrier mix will also keep his distance from certain bunnies because they have bit and scratch his nose.
When we had momma bunnies, they were fierce. Our cats would not even get on the floor if they were out. I almost needed stitches from cage cleaning and feeding a pregnant doe. You will never convince me that they are completely defenseless :lol Against hawks, ospreys, etc. I agree but against some innocent house cat, dog or keeper, not so sure.
Again, I do think the woman should have been fired.

Rabbits are defensless against ANY predator, whether it be cat, dog, bird of prey, human, etc. Rabbits are prey animals. They will defend their territory, their babies. But if they don't have territory or babies to defend, their first response isto flee the area/situation.

Your cats and rabbits are used to each other and I bet that your rabbits were able to figure out that your cats will not harm them, that is why your cats are afraid of your bunnies because your bunnies have found a way to get to the cats to make them afraid of them.
 
OneTwoThree wrote:
Cheyrul wrote:
I don't don't hurt our animals either but I do let them know I am boss, even when we are playing. If that means a relatively gentle smack on the head (which is no different than them swatting each other) when they are being too rough, so be it. I know I am by far gentler to them than they are to each other.
You.Are.Not.A.Cat/dog/rabbit. It is NOT the same. Please do not abuse your or other peoples animals.


I have to agree, people are too strong to even gently smack an animal. Rabbits are so delicate that it is easy to hurt them on accident.

Becky came from a rough start. Someone smacked her in the head and now she has brain damage. Her head tilts a little and the nerve on the right side of her face is damaged so she gets an over flow of tears and no blink reflex. She is a lop so her ear rubs against her eyeball from just swinging forward as she moves around. She is the sweetest bun. She gives lots of kisses but never bites. The only thing that I can think of that might have set someone off is if she tried to play when they were busy (very similar to this situation). Now she has a lifetime of vet visits to keep her eye healthy. :grumpy:
 
It baffles me too. She is my avetar. How anyone could smack that little face is beyond me. It's a good thing the SPCA doesn't tell new families who their pets come from or I may have done something drastic. I'm just glad I was able to save her in time. They were going to have her PTS because they didn't think anyone would deal with her problems.

She was just at the vet Monday and helped cheer up some little kids that had their dog die. She snuggled and licked them like she knew they were hurting. Bunny kisses are worth any vet bill.
 

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