Any changes at all?????...................:?
I need some help-possible fur mites?
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gentle giants
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Not so far, but no news right now is good news, no one is getting worse, anyway.
This is sort of a combination question and update on Max's necropsy- http://www.rabbitsonline.net/view_topic.php?id=41706&forum_id=27but Dr. Drake just called. He said that the preliminary results are in, just not all of the results. What they have found so far, is that Max had a certain strain of pastuerella. Don't even ask, the word was not one I could spell in this lifetime. He also had three small abscesses on his liver, which Doc said were most likely caused by the pastuerella. Dr. is going to look it up and find out if this strain could also cause problems like what the others are having, the fur and wieght loss, etc. I am going to pm Randy and see what he thinks of these results.
This is sort of a combination question and update on Max's necropsy- http://www.rabbitsonline.net/view_topic.php?id=41706&forum_id=27but Dr. Drake just called. He said that the preliminary results are in, just not all of the results. What they have found so far, is that Max had a certain strain of pastuerella. Don't even ask, the word was not one I could spell in this lifetime. He also had three small abscesses on his liver, which Doc said were most likely caused by the pastuerella. Dr. is going to look it up and find out if this strain could also cause problems like what the others are having, the fur and wieght loss, etc. I am going to pm Randy and see what he thinks of these results.
I read all of ( RIP)Max's symptoms. I don't know anything about more virulent strains of pasturella but it seems possible considering that most bacteria evolve and grow stronger and more resistant over time
Then again this could be something else totally unrelated.
I tend to agree with Pam re. the deworming. if their is a posssibility of a bacterial problem it makes no sense to stress the buns with more chemicals.
Ithink this must really be hard for you. I imagine how i would feel if i was in your position. :hug:
Seems like if anyone knew about the pasturellla most likely would be Randy
Then again this could be something else totally unrelated.
I tend to agree with Pam re. the deworming. if their is a posssibility of a bacterial problem it makes no sense to stress the buns with more chemicals.
Ithink this must really be hard for you. I imagine how i would feel if i was in your position. :hug:
Seems like if anyone knew about the pasturellla most likely would be Randy
gentle giants
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I am taking Honey to the vet this afternoon so Doc can see what I am talking about, basically. I am ashamed for anyone else to see her...She looks like she has been horribly neglected. 
I am keeping pellets mixed with some oats in her dish all the time, and she has this mountain of hay that she seems to be more interested in sitting in that eating. Because of the fur loss, her feet were starting to get sore too, so she has a big thick towel that she is sitting on now.
ETA: I am going to discuss the worming issue with Dr. Drake. I am sort of wavering on it, I have two very knowledgeable people on here giving me different opinions-Randy thinks I should, Pam thinks I shouldn't.
I am keeping pellets mixed with some oats in her dish all the time, and she has this mountain of hay that she seems to be more interested in sitting in that eating. Because of the fur loss, her feet were starting to get sore too, so she has a big thick towel that she is sitting on now.ETA: I am going to discuss the worming issue with Dr. Drake. I am sort of wavering on it, I have two very knowledgeable people on here giving me different opinions-Randy thinks I should, Pam thinks I shouldn't.
gentle giants
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I have been reading in the Merck Manual about pasteurella. This line worries me the most, I think:
"Rabbits may develop Pasteurella septicemia and die acutely without any clinical signs. Septicemia necropsy findings may reveal only congestion and petechial hemorrhages in multiple organs."
Also:
"Treatment is difficult and may not eradicate the organism. Antibiotics seem to provide only temporary remission, and the next stress (eg, kindling) may cause relapse. Enrofloxacin (200 mg/L of drinking water for 14 days or 5-10 mg/kg parenteral, bid for 14 days) is effective for upper respiratory P multocida infections. Tilmicosin (25 mg/kg, SC) has been reported as an effective treatment for pasteurellosis. Procaine penicillin (60,000 IU/kg for 10 days) was recommended for indiviual rabbits, but its use should be cautioned as deaths from enterotoxemia often follow penicillin administration.
An effective vaccine has not been developed; therefore, the best method of control in large rabbitries is strict culling. Two methods to free a production colony of Pasteurella have been reported. The first involves culture and culling of positive animals; once the colony is Pasteurella -free, it must be maintained in isolation. In the second method, pregnant does past kindling are treated with enrofloxacin. While does remain Pasteurella -culture positive the kits remain Pasteurella -culture negative. Carriers can be identified by an indirect fluorescent antibody test on nasal swabs."
So I am guessing this means the end of me doing any rescuing. I couldn't take the risk of bringing in more, when this disease is so contagious.
"Rabbits may develop Pasteurella septicemia and die acutely without any clinical signs. Septicemia necropsy findings may reveal only congestion and petechial hemorrhages in multiple organs."
Also:
"Treatment is difficult and may not eradicate the organism. Antibiotics seem to provide only temporary remission, and the next stress (eg, kindling) may cause relapse. Enrofloxacin (200 mg/L of drinking water for 14 days or 5-10 mg/kg parenteral, bid for 14 days) is effective for upper respiratory P multocida infections. Tilmicosin (25 mg/kg, SC) has been reported as an effective treatment for pasteurellosis. Procaine penicillin (60,000 IU/kg for 10 days) was recommended for indiviual rabbits, but its use should be cautioned as deaths from enterotoxemia often follow penicillin administration.
An effective vaccine has not been developed; therefore, the best method of control in large rabbitries is strict culling. Two methods to free a production colony of Pasteurella have been reported. The first involves culture and culling of positive animals; once the colony is Pasteurella -free, it must be maintained in isolation. In the second method, pregnant does past kindling are treated with enrofloxacin. While does remain Pasteurella -culture positive the kits remain Pasteurella -culture negative. Carriers can be identified by an indirect fluorescent antibody test on nasal swabs."
So I am guessing this means the end of me doing any rescuing. I couldn't take the risk of bringing in more, when this disease is so contagious.
I'm really sorry that they are still doing poorly. maybe the vet can shed some light on this.
Don't feel bad about the way she looks ;the vet will understand. She just has something wrong
maybe the vet can shed some light on this. Don't feel bad about the way she looks ;the vet will understand. She just has something wrong
pamnock
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gentle giants wrote:
Caution should always be used when de-worming a sick animal, and it is generally done in carefully measured increments and only when the animal is known it have parasites. It is not worth the risk to administer the medication to the sick animal when no parasites have been diagnosed.
The first step would be to determine whether or not the sick animal actually has parasites.
Pam
ETA: I am going to discuss the worming issue with Dr. Drake. I am sort of wavering on it, I have two very knowledgeable people on here giving me different opinions-Randy thinks I should, Pam thinks I shouldn't.
Caution should always be used when de-worming a sick animal, and it is generally done in carefully measured increments and only when the animal is known it have parasites. It is not worth the risk to administer the medication to the sick animal when no parasites have been diagnosed.
The first step would be to determine whether or not the sick animal actually has parasites.
Pam
gentle giants
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pamnock wrote:
Yes, that is one of the things that I am going to talk to Dr. Drake about, possibly doing another test at an interval.gentle giants wrote:ETA: I am going to discuss the worming issue with Dr. Drake. I am sort of wavering on it, I have two very knowledgeable people on here giving me different opinions-Randy thinks I should, Pam thinks I shouldn't.
The first step would be to determine whether or not the sick animal actually has parasites.
Pam
gentle giants
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UPDATE!
They are getting better!! All of the ones with bald patches now have fur stubble there where it is re-growing. And the skinny ones do seem to be putting weight back on, too. So that tells me that it must have been something wrong with the feed, because other than trying Ivermec on Honey, that is all I have done so far. Plus they are getting some oats and black oil sunflower seeds when it is cold. YAY!!!
They are getting better!! All of the ones with bald patches now have fur stubble there where it is re-growing. And the skinny ones do seem to be putting weight back on, too. So that tells me that it must have been something wrong with the feed, because other than trying Ivermec on Honey, that is all I have done so far. Plus they are getting some oats and black oil sunflower seeds when it is cold. YAY!!!
I'm SO Glad to hear that ...
I was wondering how they were doing as you hadn't posted for awhile....
I was wondering how they were doing as you hadn't posted for awhile....
JadeIcing
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Great!:biggrin2:
