Gravy does NOT have cancer

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Oh wow, Im so glad you caught it. Those can be very nasty.

I was reading in our health section just to refresh my memory and I found this:

"Unlike other fly maggots that are small and white, cuterebra look like something out of a science fiction movie. They start out white but grow to reticulated black shells covering a slug type body tapered at both ends. They grow in size much larger than the adult bot fly and can be up to one inch long and H inch wide. A larva this size does considerable damage and where one is found, several others may also be present. Because they burrow under the skin as newly hatched larvae, the entrance hole, called a warble, is small and not easily seen. Since the skin is traumatized, the area around the entrance is slightly raised like a bump with inflamed edges. The edges of the hole, if visible, may be blackish. The small hole remains open for emerging when the larval stage of growth is complete. As the cuterebra grow, the area where they have burrowed resembles a tumorous growth and is called a warble tumor. All you may see or feel is the lump"

from http://rabbitsonline.net/view_topic.php?id=12921&forum_id=10

So that makes sense why you thought it was cancer. So was the vet able to remove all the larva? Its hard to tell from the pics what Im actually looking (although I can see its very nasty :))

Im so relieved its not cancer. What kinds of meds did they put him on?
 
I'm so glad to hear that it wasn't cancer! He'll be okay now, right? And, wow, that is gross. I don't know what I'd think if I picked Rory up and found those on his belly. How many were there?
 
Hooray for Gravy! I LOVE that picture of him lying on his back in your (or someone's) lap. He looks like such a sweet boy.

It was my bunny who had the cuterebra come out of his nose, so I know what you are going through. Botflies are nasty.
Here is the pic of it coming out of my guy (Gulliver)'s nose you can see exactly what one looks like here: And, I am so glad Gravy is OK.

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oh GOD THAT IS SICK. i am so glad gravy is cancerless. hopefully those sick nasty things go away. far, far far far far, far, and did i mention, FAR away!
 
BOT FLIES.....such pests! I rescued a baby squirrel a few years agothat hadbot fly larvae. He fell out of a tree and was knocked outwith shock.Between the time he fell and the time I found him,a bot flyhad laid its eggs on his side. I noticed a "lump" a few days later and called the Squirrel Rehab Specialist I was working with.

Bot fliesare known to lay eggs in nearly dead and dead animals, but theyare alsocommonly foundon healthy adult squirrels and similar animals, like rabbits.Theywill kill a baby animal, however. For instance, baby squirrels are usually protected in the nest, but if they fall out of the nest, they become a target for the bot fly (which was the case with the squirrel that I found) and the larvae can kill them if they hatch.

A vet that works with the Squirrel Rehab organization removed the bot larvae from my baby squirrel before they could hatch and pop out. It was a risky procedure, sincethe larvaecan release poison if they are disturbed before they hatch and that also could have killed the little fella.

Poor thing, fell 20 feet out of a tree and then had a bot fly on top of that. He did make it, though,and we rehabilitated him and a specialist did a slow release back into the wild. I still miss him. : (

I was told that Edie, my bun, had botlarvae when our neighbors found her and they had a vet remove them from her, too. :(
 
Bo B Bunny wrote:
What did they say about the weight loss? was it the bots??

Did you take him to the vet? did they break open at home? DETAILS!!!!!!!!!

Weight loss is from the bots, him feeling so crappy. I took him to the vet this evening. They were already gone, so he didn't have to remove them. There were two.

He gave me a medicated ointment to put in the holes 3-4 times a day. Didn't sew him up because he wanted it to heal from inside out. He also cleaned the holes out, flushed with betadine (sp?)

Any more questions? I will try to answer best as I can. Right now Gravy is pigging out. He is in a hospital cage so he can mend without being pestered.

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That's really interesting actually! just gross LOL!

I hope I wasn't being too nosey..... just curious and wondering how it's all .... done?!

I'm so glad he's ok! I'll take gross over cancer! I love my......errrr YOUR Gravy boy!


How big is that bigger of the holes? it looks HUGE. Is it just a superficial like thing or is it a deepwound? I am just wonderinghow nasty these things are!


 
naturestee wrote:
Eeeeeeeeeeeeeeewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww!

But at least they're out, and better than cancer!

:yeahthat: (Naturestee took the words right outta my mouth when I saw the links!)

So glad Gravy is cancer-less! That certainly is wonderful news, and now he just needs to heal and feel back to himself again.

Great news...I was so glad to read this! :hug:
 
A couple years ago, I got a call from a family that I had placed a lovely Mini Rex with. One of his "bits" had swollen up to a large size. We got him to a vet and it turned out to be a bot fly. Nasty creature! Once it was out, (and after the neuter) he was fabulous... still is!

Our vet said they can release toxinswhile they are growing, affecting the animal. Once they are rid of that "parasite" they feel so much better. SO glad Gravy is on the mend...
 
Thank goodness Gravy doesn't have cancer..what a relief!

Hope your feeling better now,Gravy :)

Cheryl
 
Bo B Bunny wrote:
How big is that bigger of the holes? it looks HUGE. Is it just a superficial like thing or is it a deepwound? I am just wonderinghow nasty these things are!
Both holes are actually very deep. When the vet was cleaning them out I thought I was going to vomit! I'm so glad I can trance a rabbit! Or we would probably still be there trying to clean.
 
binkies wrote:
Bo B Bunny wrote:
How big is that bigger of the holes? it looks HUGE. Is it just a superficial like thing or is it a deepwound? I am just wonderinghow nasty these things are!
Both holes are actually very deep. When the vet was cleaning them out I thought I was going to vomit! I'm so glad I can trance a rabbit! Or we would probably still be there trying to clean.

Wow! I'm so glad it's just that tho! I mean - it's gross but it's fixable!

So what's the little star doing today?


 
i have aided in the removal of a bot fly. . . i am severly bug-squimmish, to the point that i will cry hysterically if i am forced to handle any kind of bug at all. . . so it wasn't easy!

they are so gross to look at, the little black dot, if you touched near it, it would go back into the rabbit's skin! and they are huge!!!! after it was removed, we put it in a bottle and put it in our freezer (yeah, i know. . . kinda gross) so that we could show it to a few different 4-h groups as a warning for fly control in the rabbit barns. . .

i had nightmares for weeks afterwards, no lie. i would fall asleep and imagine having them in me! or just relive watching it get taken out. . .



oh how gross. . .

i had felt so bad for the bunny too, he was only like 8 weeks old and it was on his tummy. . . poor guy!
 
binkies wrote:
He is eating like a pig! Fought my husband when ointment time came. That is a good thing!


Oh GOOD TO HEAR!! I'm glad to hear he's got his spirit back! :D

And Katt...eww, huh? Wow...I would HATE having to deal with that...:yuck

But I'm so glad Gravy's are gone...:D
 
I had been researching (more) on bot flies because I kept thinking it could be China Bun's problem... an Asian form of the fly that had already exited?

Anyway, here's one of the articles/comments I found on a site discussing human infestation, thought it was well rounded and interesting. (And I have to clear it off my desktop, so I'll put it here).

As always, not for the squeamish!

sas :yuck



http://scienceblogs.com/tfk/2007/07/botflies.php



"Is there a parasitologist, past or present, in the house?"

Why yes there is--glad to comment.

I haven't watched the video clip, and don't plan to, mostly because these parasites really aren't that big a deal. I guess my squeamish index is pretty high. There was a tidbit in the news a few days ago about a guy in Colorado (is this the post at BoingBoing? I haven't looked at it yet) who felt something moving on his scalp and he had several Dermatobia hominis larvae under the skin, doing their usual thing. In the tropics, this is common stuff, certainly not worthy of reporting in the news.

Now, a few clarifications.

1. Several bot fly (BTW, it's two words) species exist in North America, and they're pretty host-specific, although there are occasional reports of human infestations with each (probably more so with Cuterebra spp.; item 3 below). Sheep: Oestrus ovis; bots develop in the sinuses; horses et al: Gasterophilus spp.; bots develop in the stomach (and actually hang on to the lining); cattle: Hypoderma spp.; bots develop under the skin; rodents, rabbits: Cuterebra spp; bots develop under the skin; deer, elk, other wild cervids: Cephenomyia spp.; bots develop in the sinuses, similar to Oestrus ovis in sheep. In all these host species, the presence of the bots causes very few problems, if any.

2. Cats, and less often dogs, are often infected with Cuterebra spp. Every practicing veterinarian has seen this in mid- to late summer. Usually, the owner notices a small hole on the side of the cat's neck (and sometimes worries that it's been shot with a BB gun). Veterinarian smiles knowingly and informs the owner that it's an easy problem to fix. Depending on the cat (and the owner), it's often possible to fish the thing out right in the exam room, and with a few days of warm compresses and a week or so of oral antibiotics, they almost always heal up fine. The larva is usually quite small (less than 1 cm) at this point, although I have seen one cat that had a full-sized (as in ready to pop out any second)larva under its skin, and it was about an inch long, black, spiny and as thick as my index finger. I didn't treat that animal myself, but it was removed (it would have come out on its own anyway, just as they do in rodents and rabbits) and the cat was fine.

3. As I said, people are rarely infested with any of these animal bot fly larvae, but Cuterebra seems to happen most often. And it can happen in Kansas or Washington as easily as anywhere else. I have several published case reports in my files if anyone wants the specifics. Dermatobia hominis is the most common cause in people (and many animal species) in Central and South America, but it's not native to the U.S.

4. The condition of being infested with bot fly larvae is termed myiasis. Brevity is sweet.

5. The appearance of the adult Cuterebra fly (photo above) is similar to all the bot fly species. They look terrifying, but if you look closely, they have vestigial mouthparts--i.e., no biting. They're loud and annoying, but nothing else.

6. Finally, one very minor point: horses have hair, not fur, although some of them can look pretty furry after being out on the range all winter :).

Forgive me if I got up on my lecturer soapbox here, but this post was too good to pass on :).

Posted by: Bob, DVM | July 22, 2007 11:25 PM




 
Oh, I was soooo pleased when I saw the title had been changed - thank God that Gravy hasn't got cancer :). But eeewww, those bot flies are gross.

So happy to hear that he is pigging out - he has a lot to catch up on :D

Jan
 

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