paul2641
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JadeIcing wrote:
I thought that at the age of 6 months was grand to have a litter?
Fluffball's Possible Pregnancy Diary
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FlashyMagoo
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Given that Becca has now publicly admitted she did this intentionally and will do it again to get a litter, what is the latest time alionhead doecan have her first litter?
JadeIcing
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paul2641 wrote:
That is what I recall but breeding isn't my thing.
TinysMom
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FlashyMagoo wrote:
With Becca's determination to breed - I don't think that the age is going to matter. We've seen that before in the rabbitry area and I suspect this is a case like that again.
This is a tough question. Six months to nine months is ideal. I did do one doe at around the one year mark for the first time - ONCE - but there were some specific reasons why I bred her. She had a hard time with delivery (and she was a bigger doe). She only had the one litter - and only one baby survived - the others were "pencil kits" - meaning that they died in the birth canal from difficulty with the birth.
With Becca's determination to breed - I don't think that the age is going to matter. We've seen that before in the rabbitry area and I suspect this is a case like that again.
paul2641
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FlashyMagoo wrote:
I'm only guessing but I would say around 10 months.
Becca
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I just want to write her due date down:
27 days: 10th Nov
28 days: 11th Nov
29 days: 12th Nov
30 days: 13th Nov
31 days: 14th Nov
32 days: 15th Nov
So it could be any of them right?
27 days: 10th Nov
28 days: 11th Nov
29 days: 12th Nov
30 days: 13th Nov
31 days: 14th Nov
32 days: 15th Nov
So it could be any of them right?
BlueGiants
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Yes, it could be. But MOST LIKELY.... it will be the 13th or 14th. Just be ready from the 10th on...
paul2641
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Best of luck.
LadyOnslaught
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FlashyMagoo wrote:
Where did she admit she intentionally did it? I saw where it was an 'accident'. I must have missed it.
Becca
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The Plan thread :sad:
LadyOnslaught
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Becca wrote:
I am sorry you are going through this and I really hope you have once and for all decided not to breed Fluffball. I have a litter right now of four and belive me they are adorable but they were stressful. They were not planned as I was told both buns were girls. I am not sure what we will do with them (keep them or try and rehome) but there have been so many times I have been upset because I helped bring more rabbits into this world and there don't need to be. As soon as I saw them a few hours after being born this is what I cried about.
It will take people time to trust you again but they will do it. After each lie it makes it harder to regain trust, I know that. I've been through that (I've been the one lied to). Eventually, if you keep telling the truth, people will believe you and probably forget this all happened. :groupparty:. Hang in there.
I found it right before you posted.
I am sorry you are going through this and I really hope you have once and for all decided not to breed Fluffball. I have a litter right now of four and belive me they are adorable but they were stressful. They were not planned as I was told both buns were girls. I am not sure what we will do with them (keep them or try and rehome) but there have been so many times I have been upset because I helped bring more rabbits into this world and there don't need to be. As soon as I saw them a few hours after being born this is what I cried about.
It will take people time to trust you again but they will do it. After each lie it makes it harder to regain trust, I know that. I've been through that (I've been the one lied to). Eventually, if you keep telling the truth, people will believe you and probably forget this all happened. :groupparty:. Hang in there.
LadyBug
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ummm..:shock:..woah is about all i can say. i'm not going to get into this too much, i'm pretty upset that you lied, it's one of my biggest pet peeves, but you did do the right thing in telling everyone
. i feel kinda dumb for believing you, i know alot of the adults had their suppositions(sp?), and i was so nieve(sp?).....
ok, all done. from here on out i'll trynot say anything else about this, i'll still help however i can w/breeding/baby info, but please be up-front with us from now on Becca
. i feel kinda dumb for believing you, i know alot of the adults had their suppositions(sp?), and i was so nieve(sp?).....ok, all done. from here on out i'll trynot say anything else about this, i'll still help however i can w/breeding/baby info, but please be up-front with us from now on Becca
irishbunny
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well her parents are behind her on this so i dont understand what everyones problem is..loads of breeders(some here included) keep tons of bunnies and keep their bunnies shoved
in little cages, they never get to go out have a nibble around and binky in a run..at least her buns will have a great life and im sure becca would only sell/give her babies to the best of homes..good luck becca!..X
in little cages, they never get to go out have a nibble around and binky in a run..at least her buns will have a great life and im sure becca would only sell/give her babies to the best of homes..good luck becca!..X
gentle giants
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irishbunny wrote:
First of all, the problem is that she lied about what she did. And I know you have said that you don't have a problem with overpopulation where you are, but most of us aren't that lucky.
Your comments about breeders were also quite unecesary. Any good breeder does everything they can to ensure the happiness and comfort of all of their rabbits. I don't breed anymore, but I don't have the time or the space for all of my rabbits to get out of their cages all of the time, does that mean that I and everyone else who has "loads" of rabbits is mistreating them?
First of all, the problem is that she lied about what she did. And I know you have said that you don't have a problem with overpopulation where you are, but most of us aren't that lucky.
Your comments about breeders were also quite unecesary. Any good breeder does everything they can to ensure the happiness and comfort of all of their rabbits. I don't breed anymore, but I don't have the time or the space for all of my rabbits to get out of their cages all of the time, does that mean that I and everyone else who has "loads" of rabbits is mistreating them?
Becca
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I'm sorry guys I really am, I am doing the best I can to redeem my self and I'm always going to tell the truth from now on.
That was the only lie I've told on here though I promise
That was the only lie I've told on here though I promise
FlashyMagoo
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irishbunny wrote:
Yes, her parents are behind her and that is a good thing, and it is also a good thing that she eventually told the truth.
I personally have no problem with breeding, and people breeding, PROVIDED they are doing it correctly and responsibly.
The problems here are
~Fluffball is too old to be bred for the first time. This means at the best she will have a hard and painful labour. She is at high risk of stuck kits due to this, and may need an emergency caesarian (or however that's spelt). She will probably have a longer labour and end up tired (at the least), at the end of it.
~Becca's buns are pet quality and have been sold as pets for a reason. It may be they carry defective genes that may be inherited by the babies, such as dental problems, which could mean these babies have excruciating health problems. When breeders breed, they breed to better the breed and eradicate these problems (often by selling those with those problems on as pets, because they don't want them to die, but they are not ok to be bred from).
~Money is also an issue. Becca has mentioned money as an issue, however then also said it wasn't so it may be an issue. It is expensive to raise kits, and deal with any necessary problems that arise during kindling.
~If Fluffball were to die, Becca would potentially have live kits on her hands. Breeders breed several bunnies at once, so that if something goes wrong, or there is a single kit (particular at this time of year) other does can foster, which is not an option for Becca, which could lead to the kits suffering. If she can make good contacts with a reputable breeder though, she may be able to sidestep this, although the kits would have to go and live there.
Obviously there is also the issue that Becca lied too, but that has already been dealt with on the other thread.
Those are the practical issues associated with breeding, although there are a lot of moral issues too, but morality is not something that it is our place to state. If Becca and her family are happy with their choice to breed, knowing the situation with rabbit welfare, rescues, neglect, rehoming, and be able to educate new owners, then that's ok, but those are the practical and factual issues that arise from this breeding. Or at least, that's how I see it.
Yes, her parents are behind her and that is a good thing, and it is also a good thing that she eventually told the truth.
I personally have no problem with breeding, and people breeding, PROVIDED they are doing it correctly and responsibly.
The problems here are
~Fluffball is too old to be bred for the first time. This means at the best she will have a hard and painful labour. She is at high risk of stuck kits due to this, and may need an emergency caesarian (or however that's spelt). She will probably have a longer labour and end up tired (at the least), at the end of it.
~Becca's buns are pet quality and have been sold as pets for a reason. It may be they carry defective genes that may be inherited by the babies, such as dental problems, which could mean these babies have excruciating health problems. When breeders breed, they breed to better the breed and eradicate these problems (often by selling those with those problems on as pets, because they don't want them to die, but they are not ok to be bred from).
~Money is also an issue. Becca has mentioned money as an issue, however then also said it wasn't so it may be an issue. It is expensive to raise kits, and deal with any necessary problems that arise during kindling.
~If Fluffball were to die, Becca would potentially have live kits on her hands. Breeders breed several bunnies at once, so that if something goes wrong, or there is a single kit (particular at this time of year) other does can foster, which is not an option for Becca, which could lead to the kits suffering. If she can make good contacts with a reputable breeder though, she may be able to sidestep this, although the kits would have to go and live there.
Obviously there is also the issue that Becca lied too, but that has already been dealt with on the other thread.
Those are the practical issues associated with breeding, although there are a lot of moral issues too, but morality is not something that it is our place to state. If Becca and her family are happy with their choice to breed, knowing the situation with rabbit welfare, rescues, neglect, rehoming, and be able to educate new owners, then that's ok, but those are the practical and factual issues that arise from this breeding. Or at least, that's how I see it.
BlueGiants
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irishbunny wrote:
Miserable, unhappy and poorly cared for rabbits won't breed... won't raise a litter... and won't show well.
That being said, not everyone that puts two rabbits together and gets a litter is a "breeder". There is a great deal of responsibility and education that goes with it. There are good and bad rabbit owners in every "catagory"... House rabbit, family "pet", breeder, etc., but anyone on this Forum is here for the betterment of their rabbits. Not everyone will takeadvice offered. Not everyone will do what's right. But maybe our experience will guide someone to do better in the future.We are all here to offer solutions and suggestions, regardless of the "cause".
What's done is done... let's get back to making sure a healthy litter is born and well cared for.
I'm truely offended. Is that your impression of the breeders on this forum? Any breeder with the where-with-all to join a forum that specializes in Rabbit care and well being isn't going to "keep their bunnies shoved in little cages". We breed responsibly and with great thought and consideration for what we bring into this world. Not one of my rabbits has ever been abandoned to a shelter or pound.
Miserable, unhappy and poorly cared for rabbits won't breed... won't raise a litter... and won't show well.
That being said, not everyone that puts two rabbits together and gets a litter is a "breeder". There is a great deal of responsibility and education that goes with it. There are good and bad rabbit owners in every "catagory"... House rabbit, family "pet", breeder, etc., but anyone on this Forum is here for the betterment of their rabbits. Not everyone will takeadvice offered. Not everyone will do what's right. But maybe our experience will guide someone to do better in the future.We are all here to offer solutions and suggestions, regardless of the "cause".
What's done is done... let's get back to making sure a healthy litter is born and well cared for.
Becca
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BlueGiants wrote:
Thank you It's getting quite near now, I'm starting to get a bit worried :?
I'm quite annoyed at that comment as well, but with what I've done I'm not going to say anything more
Thank you
It's getting quite near now, I'm starting to get a bit worried :?irishbunny
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gentle giants wrote:
i never said all of them but loads do..like i went on a rabbitry site of someone who kept 200 rabbits obviously they were not going to be getting out of their cages. anytime soon.
i know i would prefer to buy a bunny from a breeder who keeps a couple of bunnies, maybe 10-20 for example then a breeder whos bunnies never see the light of day.
again im going to say i did not say all breeders are horrible and again i am going to say lots are.
i am also going to say at least beccas babies will be treated with excellent care. we are probably going to just go back and forth now so i have said all i want to say.
magoo- i have read all those risks before when researching breeding but it is becca and her families choice at the end of the day and not much that is said will change their mind..so instead of for-shaming her and driving her away we should at least wish her luck and let her know we will be here to answer questions so she wont be put off asking for help..x
i never said all of them but loads do..like i went on a rabbitry site of someone who kept 200 rabbits obviously they were not going to be getting out of their cages. anytime soon.
i know i would prefer to buy a bunny from a breeder who keeps a couple of bunnies, maybe 10-20 for example then a breeder whos bunnies never see the light of day.
again im going to say i did not say all breeders are horrible and again i am going to say lots are.
i am also going to say at least beccas babies will be treated with excellent care. we are probably going to just go back and forth now so i have said all i want to say.
magoo- i have read all those risks before when researching breeding but it is becca and her families choice at the end of the day and not much that is said will change their mind..so instead of for-shaming her and driving her away we should at least wish her luck and let her know we will be here to answer questions so she wont be put off asking for help..x
FlashyMagoo
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irishbunny wrote:
I answered your question, that was all. That was what people had a problem with. No one has forshamed her, or driven her away, people have actually been very mature in what they have said and how they have said it (even me! Or, at least, I tried). I have offered Becca a lot of help with pregnancies and rehoming kits, how to do home visits, and also offered her all the info I use when I do RSPCA home visits, so there is no waythat what I saidwould put her off when I have put in a lot of effort to trying to help her. I have kept out of this thread and topic, but because you asked a question, I answered what people's problems were, that's all.
Becca knows I only want good things for Fluffball, and she also knows that if she needs help, she can ask me because I've made that clear several times. No matter what she has done, I would always be happy to help, and have also made that clear to her too.
And yes, I took your comment very personally, becauseit sounded like it was specifically directed at meand you jumped to inaccurate conclusions about what I said.
I answered your question, that was all. That was what people had a problem with. No one has forshamed her, or driven her away, people have actually been very mature in what they have said and how they have said it (even me! Or, at least, I tried). I have offered Becca a lot of help with pregnancies and rehoming kits, how to do home visits, and also offered her all the info I use when I do RSPCA home visits, so there is no waythat what I saidwould put her off when I have put in a lot of effort to trying to help her. I have kept out of this thread and topic, but because you asked a question, I answered what people's problems were, that's all.
Becca knows I only want good things for Fluffball, and she also knows that if she needs help, she can ask me because I've made that clear several times. No matter what she has done, I would always be happy to help, and have also made that clear to her too.
And yes, I took your comment very personally, becauseit sounded like it was specifically directed at meand you jumped to inaccurate conclusions about what I said.
