Dirty mouth help!! (RIP)

[Fuyu haru’s sister]

Hi everyone, i have a 2 months old lion head , the fur under her mouth is really dirty, the hairs are coiled on each other and are a little bit wet, I’m really concern that it would build up bacteria or something, she is really trying to clean it I always see her growing herself but it just won’t clean up!
so I tried to clean it with a towel and some cotton squares they got dirty buther face didn’t change
The fur is dirty, smelly ,and wet
Please help I’m really anxious about it!

 

[Watermelons]

A healthy rabbit should be able to clean themselves with no help so that is concerning.
Do you have any ideas how that even happened? What did she get into?
You can use a warm damp cloth but do not bath her and do not wet her to the skin.

 

[JBun]

First rule out it being caused by your rabbit getting it wet from sticking it's chin in the water bowl.

If this isn't just a one time occurrence but is ongoing, I would suspect it's drooling causing the continued wet fur around the mouth. Which means there is a likely dental problem going on. Your rabbit could have overgrown teeth that aren't wearing down properly on their own, and for that you would need your vet to check the teeth and trim any sharp points if this is what's going on.

Differential diagnosis for ptyalism (drooling in rabbits)

Medirabbit (excessive saliva production in rabbits)

Medirabbit (dental problems in rabbits)

If the problem isn't fixed and continues, you will likely see it start to affect her eating, if it isn't already. So you need to keep a close eye on her eating and drinking until you get this sorted, to make sure she can still eat well enough. She could also develop a skin bacterial infection of the area, from the continued moisture. So I would suggest getting her teeth checked by an experienced rabbit vet right away before it can progress to a much more complicated health problem.

If it doesn't turn out to be a dental problem or maybe a piece of food stuck in her teeth causing continued irritation, then your vet will need to try and determine if it might be a jaw abscess or some other health issue causing it. It would probably also be a good idea to get the fur trimmed by the vet while there, so that the area can be cleaned more easily, and will have an easier time drying out so that a bacterial skin infection doesn't start.

http://www.medirabbit.com/EN/Skin_diseases/Bacterial/Moist/Moist_skin_issues_en.pdf

 

[Fuyu haru’s sister]

A healthy rabbit should be able to clean themselves with no help so that is concerning.
Do you have any ideas how that even happened? What did she get into?
You can use a warm damp cloth but do not bath her and do not wet her to the skin.

actually since I got her a week ago her face was dirty but I gave her some time to adapt to my and her new home , I thought that she will start grooming herself well when she get familiar with me.
she eat pellets and cecotropes so I'm thinking maybe that's the reason? also drinks water from a bowl but she's not really good at it yet, she keeps wetting herself .
yes I didn't bath nor wet her completely .

 

[Fuyu haru’s sister]

First rule out it being caused by your rabbit getting it wet from sticking it's chin in the water bowl.

If this isn't just a one time occurrence but is ongoing, I would suspect it's drooling causing the continued wet fur around the mouth. Which means there is a likely dental problem going on. Your rabbit could have overgrown teeth that aren't wearing down properly on their own, and for that you would need your vet to check the teeth and trim any sharp points if this is what's going on.

Differential diagnosis for ptyalism (drooling in rabbits)

Medirabbit (excessive saliva production in rabbits)

Medirabbit (dental problems in rabbits)

If the problem isn't fixed and continues, you will likely see it start to affect her eating, if it isn't already. So you need to keep a close eye on her eating and drinking until you get this sorted, to make sure she can still eat well enough. She could also develop a skin bacterial infection of the area, from the continued moisture. So I would suggest getting her teeth checked by an experienced rabbit vet right away before it can progress to a much more complicated health problem.

If it doesn't turn out to be a dental problem or maybe a piece of food stuck in her teeth causing continued irritation, then your vet will need to try and determine if it might be a jaw abscess or some other health issue causing it. It would probably also be a good idea to get the fur trimmed by the vet while there, so that the area can be cleaned more easily, and will have an easier time drying out so that a bacterial skin infection doesn't start.

http://www.medirabbit.com/EN/Skin_diseases/Bacterial/Moist/Moist_skin_issues_en.pdf

thank you so much!
actually I just got her a week ago but since day 1 her face was a little dirty ,so I don't really know if she was like this since birth.
when I touched her mouth its not really wet , only the fur around it.
also she's eating and drinking like usual , her alfalfa hay and pellets .
I got us a vet appointment but its after 11 days and sadly this is the nearest date I could get..

 

[Haru the Lionhead]

First rule out it being caused by your rabbit getting it wet from sticking it's chin in the water bowl.

If this isn't just a one time occurrence but is ongoing, I would suspect it's drooling causing the continued wet fur around the mouth. Which means there is a likely dental problem going on. Your rabbit could have overgrown teeth that aren't wearing down properly on their own, and for that you would need your vet to check the teeth and trim any sharp points if this is what's going on.

Differential diagnosis for ptyalism (drooling in rabbits)

Medirabbit (excessive saliva production in rabbits)

Medirabbit (dental problems in rabbits)

If the problem isn't fixed and continues, you will likely see it start to affect her eating, if it isn't already. So you need to keep a close eye on her eating and drinking until you get this sorted, to make sure she can still eat well enough. She could also develop a skin bacterial infection of the area, from the continued moisture. So I would suggest getting her teeth checked by an experienced rabbit vet right away before it can progress to a much more complicated health problem.

If it doesn't turn out to be a dental problem or maybe a piece of food stuck in her teeth causing continued irritation, then your vet will need to try and determine if it might be a jaw abscess or some other health issue causing it. It would probably also be a good idea to get the fur trimmed by the vet while there, so that the area can be cleaned more easily, and will have an easier time drying out so that a bacterial skin infection doesn't start.

http://www.medirabbit.com/EN/Skin_diseases/Bacterial/Moist/Moist_skin_issues_en.pdf

Hello, she’s so busy being worried so I’m gonna ask instead..
She says that fuyu’s mouth is not wet so we think that it could be from the water bowl, we tried to switch to a bottle
She’s cleaning her face with damp cotton and every day it gets worse..
I told her to try to cut the dirty fur, and while she was doing it she found black stuff in there, she says that it smells bad and she thinks that it’s mold
This is fuyu’s face now, it looks like she dipped her face in a soup bowl, the appointment is after 9 days, I asked her about skin irritation and she said that her skin looks normal
Is there anything that we can do for now before the vet sees her? please help

 

[JBun]

Your rabbit looks to have a bacterial skin infection called pseudomonas aeruginosa, or also called moist dermatitis.

Medirabbit (moist dermatitis in rabbits, green fur syndrome)

If you can get your rabbit in to the vet any sooner, please try, even if it needs to be as an emergency appointment. 9 days is too long to allow a bacterial infection to go untreated, as well as the possibility of the drooling possibly being caused by overgrown teeth. Which means your rabbit could stop eating at any time due to this, if this is the cause.

The vet needs to trim the fur down in the area so it can dry out more easily, your rabbit will need to be put on a rabbit safe antibiotic like baytril(enrofloxacin), and the cause of the problem if it's due to a dental issue, will need to be treated and corrected as well. Once that is done, the moist fur and skin infection should clear up. And just a note, if your vet isn't very rabbit experienced, please make sure the antibiotic that is prescribed, is rabbit safe. Some antibiotics if given orally to rabbits, can prove fatal.

Medirabbit (rabbit safe meds)

Medirabbit (medications harmful to rabbits)

If you absolutely can't get into the vet any sooner, if you try trimming any more fur around the mouth, please do so extremely carefully. Rabbit skin is very thin and can so easily be nicked by the scissors. Also, I would suggest not continuing to try and wipe down the fur with damp clothes. This will continue to make the fur wet, which dampness is what causes the green bacteria to continue to be a problem.

The most important thing is to make sure your rabbit continues to eat well until the vet appointment. If your rabbit stops eating, this is considered an emergency if it goes on more than 12 hours.

 

[Fuyu haru’s sister]

Your rabbit looks to have a bacterial skin infection called pseudomonas aeruginosa, or also called moist dermatitis.

Medirabbit (moist dermatitis in rabbits, green fur syndrome)

If you can get your rabbit in to the vet any sooner, please try, even if it needs to be as an emergency appointment. 9 days is too long to allow a bacterial infection to go untreated, as well as the possibility of the drooling possibly being caused by overgrown teeth. Which means your rabbit could stop eating at any time due to this, if this is the cause.

The vet needs to trim the fur down in the area so it can dry out more easily, your rabbit will need to be put on a rabbit safe antibiotic like baytril(enrofloxacin), and the cause of the problem if it's due to a dental issue, will need to be treated and corrected as well. Once that is done, the moist fur and skin infection should clear up. And just a note, if your vet isn't very rabbit experienced, please make sure the antibiotic that is prescribed, is rabbit safe. Some antibiotics if given orally to rabbits, can prove fatal.

Medirabbit (rabbit safe meds)

Medirabbit (medications harmful to rabbits)

If you absolutely can't get into the vet any sooner, if you try trimming any more fur around the mouth, please do so extremely carefully. Rabbit skin is very thin and can so easily be nicked by the scissors. Also, I would suggest not continuing to try and wipe down the fur with damp clothes. This will continue to make the fur wet, which dampness is what causes the green bacteria to continue to be a problem.

The most important thing is to make sure your rabbit continues to eat well until the vet appointment. If your rabbit stops eating, this is considered an emergency if it goes on more than 12 hours.

thank you so much!!
I contacted another vet to take an appointment and told them about the bacterial infection that you told me about
I hope I can make a near appointment for her
thank you again

 

[Fuyu haru’s sister]

Your rabbit looks to have a bacterial skin infection called pseudomonas aeruginosa, or also called moist dermatitis.

Medirabbit (moist dermatitis in rabbits, green fur syndrome)

If you can get your rabbit in to the vet any sooner, please try, even if it needs to be as an emergency appointment. 9 days is too long to allow a bacterial infection to go untreated, as well as the possibility of the drooling possibly being caused by overgrown teeth. Which means your rabbit could stop eating at any time due to this, if this is the cause.

The vet needs to trim the fur down in the area so it can dry out more easily, your rabbit will need to be put on a rabbit safe antibiotic like baytril(enrofloxacin), and the cause of the problem if it's due to a dental issue, will need to be treated and corrected as well. Once that is done, the moist fur and skin infection should clear up. And just a note, if your vet isn't very rabbit experienced, please make sure the antibiotic that is prescribed, is rabbit safe. Some antibiotics if given orally to rabbits, can prove fatal.

Medirabbit (rabbit safe meds)

Medirabbit (medications harmful to rabbits)

If you absolutely can't get into the vet any sooner, if you try trimming any more fur around the mouth, please do so extremely carefully. Rabbit skin is very thin and can so easily be nicked by the scissors. Also, I would suggest not continuing to try and wipe down the fur with damp clothes. This will continue to make the fur wet, which dampness is what causes the green bacteria to continue to be a problem.

The most important thing is to make sure your rabbit continues to eat well until the vet appointment. If your rabbit stops eating, this is considered an emergency if it goes on more than 12 hours.

update
I went to the vet yesterday , he used a blue light thing and said its not a bacterial infection but its something called ( moist dermatitis ). he said her teeth are okay and told me to brush and cut the dirty fur and clean it with alcohol free baby wipes. he told me to change the water bottle because its making her face wet but today while I was cleaning her face a saw drool bubbles coming out of her mouth.
I think her face is brown because of eating cecotropes , because each day its getting dirtier , I texted the vet about the drool and I have an appointment on Monday .
also the top of her hands are dirty too but its hard to clean or cut, the fur on her face is falling and I can see her skin its concerning me, in my country we don't have rabbit savvy vet .

 

[JBun]

Moist dermatitis is a bacterial infection. It's a very specific one that I posted a link to above, that causes the fur to turn green. Your rabbits paws are getting dirty too because she is trying to wipe and clean her face, so the drool and dirtiness is getting transferred to her paws.

You saw the drool coming out of the mouth. The vet really needs to do a thorough dental exam, where they don't just check the front teeth, but use a scope and light to check the back molars and inside the back of the mouth. It could be the molars have overgrown and now have sharp points cutting into the inside of the cheek and tongue, or there may just be a piece of food stuck back there in the teeth irritating the mouth. Or you may need to have xrays done of the teeth, as this could be happening due to an infection. But it's important for the vet to investigate further, because this isn't just going to stop and go away on it's own.

Since your vet isn't an experienced rabbit vet, you will need to be insistent with the vet on investigating the cause of the drooling. Trimming the fur and wiping the area, may help a little in keeping it cleaner, but it's not going to solve the underlying problem of why the fur is getting wet and why your rabbit is drooling. This will keep happening and will get worse, even to the point your rabbit may stop eating. So tell your vet you saw your rabbit drooling, ask them to look inside the mouth at the back teeth, ask for xrays if you think that needs to be done. I would also request that the vet does the fur trimming while you are there. They have electric clippers and it should be much easier for them to trim the fur than you.

Because your vet isn't rabbit experienced, if they want to administer or prescribe any medications, please double check that the medications are considered safe for rabbits. Some medications, antibiotics in particular, can be deadly to rabbits if given to them. Also, because your vet isn't rabbit experienced, you will want to ensure they handle your rabbit in a safe manner, so no accidental injuries occur, as rabbits are very fragile creatures and can sustain injuries easily if not handled properly.

Medirabbit (rabbit safe medications)

Medirabbit (harmful medications for rabbits)

 

[Benjamin The Nut Case]

Hi Guys I am new to this forum so I don't know who to post my own question so I am writing a question as a reply. I have a bunny named Benjamin and today my sister put some red and yellow eyeshadow on his fur to make him look like Pikachu he also ate a whole mothful of shimmer blue colour and I am super worried for him he is acting mostly normal but will sniff his food before eating which is weird for mh bunny considering he useually doesnt even look at his food before stuffing his cheeks. The Vet is NOT an option due to Covid and VERY stubborn parents. The eyeshadow pallette was Popfeel and I don't know if that is cruelty free or not. PLEASE HELP. And fast

 

[Haru the Lionhead]

Moist dermatitis is a bacterial infection. It's a very specific one that I posted a link to above, that causes the fur to turn green. Your rabbits paws are getting dirty too because she is trying to wipe and clean her face, so the drool and dirtiness is getting transferred to her paws.

You saw the drool coming out of the mouth. The vet really needs to do a thorough dental exam, where they don't just check the front teeth, but use a scope and light to check the back molars and inside the back of the mouth. It could be the molars have overgrown and now have sharp points cutting into the inside of the cheek and tongue, or there may just be a piece of food stuck back there in the teeth irritating the mouth. Or you may need to have xrays done of the teeth, as this could be happening due to an infection. But it's important for the vet to investigate further, because this isn't just going to stop and go away on it's own.

Since your vet isn't an experienced rabbit vet, you will need to be insistent with the vet on investigating the cause of the drooling. Trimming the fur and wiping the area, may help a little in keeping it cleaner, but it's not going to solve the underlying problem of why the fur is getting wet and why your rabbit is drooling. This will keep happening and will get worse, even to the point your rabbit may stop eating. So tell your vet you saw your rabbit drooling, ask them to look inside the mouth at the back teeth, ask for xrays if you think that needs to be done. I would also request that the vet does the fur trimming while you are there. They have electric clippers and it should be much easier for them to trim the fur than you.

Because your vet isn't rabbit experienced, if they want to administer or prescribe any medications, please double check that the medications are considered safe for rabbits. Some medications, antibiotics in particular, can be deadly to rabbits if given to them. Also, because your vet isn't rabbit experienced, you will want to ensure they handle your rabbit in a safe manner, so no accidental injuries occur, as rabbits are very fragile creatures and can sustain injuries easily if not handled properly.

Medirabbit (rabbit safe medications)

Medirabbit (harmful medications for rabbits)

He didn’t say anything about antibiotics, but he told her to get panthenol cream from human pharmacy, she couldn’t find it, we looked it up and it was an antibacterial cream.. is it safe?

 

[Haru the Lionhead]

Hi Guys I am new to this forum so I don't know who to post my own question so I am writing a question as a reply. I have a bunny named Benjamin and today my sister put some red and yellow eyeshadow on his fur to make him look like Pikachu he also ate a whole mothful of shimmer blue colour and I am super worried for him he is acting mostly normal but will sniff his food before eating which is weird for mh bunny considering he useually doesnt even look at his food before stuffing his cheeks. The Vet is NOT an option due to Covid and VERY stubborn parents. The eyeshadow pallette was Popfeel and I don't know if that is cruelty free or not. PLEASE HELP. And fast

Sorry i don’t know anything about eating eyeshadow, but I suggest giving him LOTS Of hay and water, you can start a new thread by going to new posts and clicking (post thread)

 

[Haru the Lionhead]

Also monitor the poops

 

[JBun]

I'm not familiar with that or what ingredients are in it, plus it will make the fur in the area even more sticky and goopy if a cream is applied. So I wouldn't put anything on there if the skin isn't getting sore yet. If the skin is starting to get sore, then something may need to be applied to protect the skin, but not that cream.

The most important thing is for the vet to discover the cause of the drooling and wet fur, and to correct the problem so the drooling stops. Once that happens and the dirty fur is trimmed off, the fur should dry out and everything should start to improve and get better. So the most important thing is stopping the cause of the fur getting wet.

 

[Jas]

According to me your bun just needs grooming. Lion heads have long fur and this has to be cleaned and combed regularly if the bun is not able to do. Due to longer fur it is easy to get wet while drinking from a bowl or so. Since the fur looks entangled and looks yellow (probably due to urine) you can carefully cutoff the entangled fur and just keep the bun groomed.

 

[Fuyu haru’s sister]

hi guys!
its been 2 days since we went to the vet and thank god she is experienced with rabbits! she shaved the dirty fur and clean her face also I asked her to check on her teeth, she used a cotton tip and clean the inside of her mouth and OMG she had hay stuck in there!
i got an antibiotic and vitamins to give Fuyu for a week and after I will go agin to check on her, also an sterile eye drops for her eye.
I changed the hay to mountain hay and she is LOVING IT! her poop got bigger and golden color because of the new hay, and she's peeing normal consistency urine .
I think she's better now, I saw her laying down with her feet on the side for the first time it was very cute.
thank you so much guys for helping me the past two weeks!!
here are some pics I took of her

 

[Janellek]

hi guys!
its been 2 days since we went to the vet and thank god she is experienced with rabbits! she shaved the dirty fur and clean her face also I asked her to check on her teeth, she used a cotton tip and clean the inside of her mouth and OMG she had hay stuck in there!
i got an antibiotic and vitamins to give Fuyu for a week and after I will go agin to check on her, also an sterile eye drops for her eye.
I changed the hay to mountain hay and she is LOVING IT! her poop got bigger and golden color because of the new hay, and she's peeing normal consistency urine .
I think she's better now, I saw her laying down with her feet on the side for the first time it was very cute.
thank you so much guys for helping me the past two weeks!!
here are some pics I took of her
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She is so cute I am happy she got better!!!

 

[Madelyn L.]

So glad she is doing better!

 

[Blue eyes]

Sorry to hear she passed away.
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