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Hello, M, 18 weeks and neutered 3days ago. I have woken up to his litter being chucked out everywhere! It was changed that night, never done this before?! I was just wondering maybe someone knew why he was doing this? He’s only been poo and weeing in his litter box since the day of his neutering but I would prefer his doing that everywhere instead of chucking his litter box everywhere😂 if anyone knows why he could be doing this I would really appreciate the help!! Thank you!
 

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If you're keeping him confined to his pen while he recovers from his neuter, it could be he's doing it out of frustration or boredom from being confined. You'll need to determine if he's trying to move the box and that's causing the mess, or if he's digging it out.

If he's trying to move it, you can use clips or ties to secure it to the pen bars. If he's digging it out, you may need a larger litter box with higher sides. Plastic storage bins or cat litter boxes are common ones used. If that still doesn't solve the issue, for my rabbits I made a screen to cover the litter and prevent digging. Plastic cross stitch canvas is one of the easier ways to do this. I used plastic window screening for mine. Look over those litter training links I shared in your other thread. There's also this person's story of their journey solving a similar issue.

https://mylittlebunbun.com/fix-rabbit-digging-litter-box/

Though this may solve the digging issue, you'll still be left with a restless bun. So it would be good to add some enrichment activities. A separate dig box is an option, boxes and paper to shred (only if bun doesn't try and consume much of the paper ripped up, GI blockage hazard), rabbit safe grass or wood 'toys', etc.

https://wabbitwiki.com/wiki/Toys_and_games
 
If you're keeping him confined to his pen while he recovers from his neuter, it could be he's doing it out of frustration or boredom from being confined. You'll need to determine if he's trying to move the box and that's causing the mess, or if he's digging it out.

If he's trying to move it, you can use clips or ties to secure it to the pen bars. If he's digging it out, you may need a larger litter box with higher sides. Plastic storage bins or cat litter boxes are common ones used. If that still doesn't solve the issue, for my rabbits I made a screen to cover the litter and prevent digging. Plastic cross stitch canvas is one of the easier ways to do this. I used plastic window screening for mine. Look over those litter training links I shared in your other thread. There's also this person's story of their journey solving a similar issue.

https://mylittlebunbun.com/fix-rabbit-digging-litter-box/

Though this may solve the digging issue, you'll still be left with a restless bun. So it would be good to add some enrichment activities. A separate dig box is an option, boxes and paper to shred (only if bun doesn't try and consume much of the paper ripped up, GI blockage hazard), rabbit safe grass or wood 'toys', etc.

https://wabbitwiki.com/wiki/Toys_and_games
Okay perfect, yes he’s digging not moving the box, I’ll watch that video now. I actually went shopping today to find some enrichment for him but I think I’m better off shopping for that online. I’m moved my clothes out of my wardrobe to put a dig box in there for him because he loves going in my wardrobe. I had my check today for his neutering and she said there healing great and he can come out of his cage now, she did an all round check as well and she was concerned about his weight he had lost a lot but had been eating all his food ( I can feel his spine and ribs) do you have any suggestions to help him put some weight on? The thing that confuses me is that when I went in for the neutering he was a little over weight so could this weight loss be from the neutering or something else going on? Thank you for everything!!
 
Okay perfect, yes he’s digging not moving the box, I’ll watch that video now. I actually went shopping today to find some enrichment for him but I think I’m better off shopping for that online. I’m moved my clothes out of my wardrobe to put a dig box in there for him because he loves going in my wardrobe. I had my check today for his neutering and she said there healing great and he can come out of his cage now, she did an all round check as well and she was concerned about his weight he had lost a lot but had been eating all his food ( I can feel his spine and ribs) do you have any suggestions to help him put some weight on? The thing that confuses me is that when I went in for the neutering he was a little over weight so could this weight loss be from the neutering or something else going on? Thank you for everything!!

Drastic weight loss over only a couple days, I would think would have to have more to do with dehydration. It would take more than a few days of reduced appetite to cause drastic loss of fat and muscle mass. Unless the vet didn't accurately assess your rabbits correct body condition prior, and your rabbit was actually experiencing weight loss then and it's only been noticed by the vet now. Or your rabbit has suddenly had a massive growth spurt, which is a possibility since your bunny is still maturing and not a full grown adult rabbit yet.

Monitoring your rabbits weight

Aside from making sure your bun is well hydrated, weight is increased by increasing protein, carbs, or fat. Increasing carbs too much, is the least desirable way, especially in young rabbits with less developed digestive microflora and increased carbs has the potential to cause serious GI illness. Fats can usually be increased a little, but not too much as that can lead to liver issues. A few black oil sunflower seeds is one way some people do this.

Then there's protein, which is the better and more common way to increase weight. Usually this is done by increasing pellet amounts, or occasionally adding a little alfalfa hay. Adding alfalfa hay can be a more difficult way to put on weight due it it's very high calcium having the potential to cause serious bladder or kidney issues for some rabbits. This is less likely going to be a problem in young growing rabbits or nursing mom's, as they both can need the extra calcium, but other rabbits usually don't, so the excess calcium can tax the kidneys and sometimes cause bladder/kidney issues for some rabbits. So alfalfa shouldn't be used in these instances, but a little bit mixed with grass hay is usually ok for a young rabbit.

https://wabbitwiki.com/wiki/Bladder_sludge_and_stones

Increasing pellet amounts is usually the most common way to increase a rabbits weight, with less likelihood of causing other issues, particularly if using a (high quality) lower calcium pellet. Though with your rabbit still being young, extra calcium is less likely to be an issue.

Also with your rabbit still being young and growing, and possibly a medium to larger breed rabbit, he probably is needing the extra pellets on a regular basis anyways, until his growth slows as he fully matures. Usually it's recommended that young growing rabbits get a significantly increased amount of pellets, compared to what an adult rabbit gets. I fed my baby rabbits probably double to triple what my adult rabbits got, provided they were also consuming a pile of grass hay the size of their body each day. So increasing your rabbits pellet amounts gradually over a few days, is what I would do, while making sure a large handful of hay is still being eaten each day.

Baby rabbit diet

https://rabbitsindoors.weebly.com/feeding.html

With the exception of non grain grass hay, remember that new food introductions or increasing amounts, are best done gradually to help minimize the chances of GI upset occurring.

But if your rabbit is continuing to lose weight even with a higher protein intake, it's possible there is an underlying condition causing the weight loss. In young rabbits, when an adequate amount of food and protein (and water) is being provided, but the rabbit is still experiencing unhealthy weight loss, the more common causes would be stress or illness causing reduced appetite, dental problems like malocclusion affecting a rabbits ability to eat enough, internal parasites, or an infection.

https://www.rabbitnetwork.org/resources/articles/rabbit-health-articles/weight-loss-in-rabbits/

So I would start with gradually increased pellet amounts and go from there, while monitoring weight and body condition daily. But if you have concerns or are unsure, it's best to consult with your vet, if a knowledgeable rabbit vet, or other experienced rabbit vet.
 
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Drastic weight loss over only a couple days, I would think would have to have more to do with dehydration. It would take more than a few days of reduced appetite to cause drastic loss of fat and muscle mass. Unless the vet didn't accurately assess your rabbits correct body condition prior, and your rabbit was actually experiencing weight loss then and it's only been noticed by the vet now. Or your rabbit has suddenly had a massive growth spurt, which is a possibility since your bunny is still maturing and not a full grown adult rabbit yet.

Monitoring your rabbits weight

Aside from making sure your bun is well hydrated, weight is increased by increasing protein, carbs, or fat. Increasing carbs too much, is the least desirable way, especially in young rabbits with less developed digestive microflora and increased carbs has the potential to cause serious GI illness. Fats can usually be increased a little, but not too much as that can lead to liver issues. A few black oil sunflower seeds is one way some people do this.

Then there's protein, which is the better and more common way to increase weight. Usually this is done by increasing pellet amounts, or occasionally adding a little alfalfa hay. Adding alfalfa hay can be a more difficult way to put on weight due it it's very high calcium having the potential to cause serious bladder or kidney issues for some rabbits. This is less likely going to be a problem in young growing rabbits or nursing mom's, as they both can need the extra calcium, but other rabbits usually don't, so the excess calcium can tax the kidneys and sometimes cause bladder/kidney issues for some rabbits. So alfalfa shouldn't be used in these instances, but a little bit mixed with grass hay is usually ok for a young rabbit.

https://wabbitwiki.com/wiki/Bladder_sludge_and_stones

Increasing pellet amounts is usually the most common way to increase a rabbits weight, with less likelihood of causing other issues, particularly if using a lower calcium pellet. Though with your rabbit still being young, extra calcium is less likely to be an issue.

Also with your rabbit still being young and growing, and possibly a medium to larger breed rabbit, he probably is needing the extra pellets on a regular basis anyways, until his growth slows as he fully matures. Usually it's recommended that young growing rabbits get a significantly increased amount of pellets, compared to what an adult rabbit gets. I fed my baby rabbits probably double to triple what my adult rabbits got, provided they were also consuming a pile of grass hay the size of their body each day. So increasing your rabbits pellet amounts gradually over a few days, is what I would do, while making sure a large handful of hay is still being eaten each day.

Baby rabbit diet

https://rabbitsindoors.weebly.com/feeding.html

With the exception of non grain grass hay, remember that new food introductions or increasing amounts, are best done gradually to help minimize the chances of GI upset occurring.

But if your rabbit is continuing to lose weight even with a higher protein intake, it's possible there is an underlying condition causing the weight loss. In young rabbits, when an adequate amount of food and protein (and water) is being provided, but the rabbit is still experiencing unhealthy weight loss, the more common causes would be stress or illness causing reduced appetite, dental problems like malocclusion affecting a rabbits ability to eat enough, internal parasites, or an infection.

https://www.rabbitnetwork.org/resources/articles/rabbit-health-articles/weight-loss-in-rabbits/

So I would start with gradually increased pellet amounts and go from there, while monitoring weight and body condition daily. But if you have concerns or are unsure, it's best to consult with your vet if a knowledgeable rabbit vet, or other experienced rabbit vet.
You always provide such fantastic information. So very helpful to this first time rabbit mom
 
Drastic weight loss over only a couple days, I would think would have to have more to do with dehydration. It would take more than a few days of reduced appetite to cause drastic loss of fat and muscle mass. Unless the vet didn't accurately assess your rabbits correct body condition prior, and your rabbit was actually experiencing weight loss then and it's only been noticed by the vet now. Or your rabbit has suddenly had a massive growth spurt, which is a possibility since your bunny is still maturing and not a full grown adult rabbit yet.

Monitoring your rabbits weight

Aside from making sure your bun is well hydrated, weight is increased by increasing protein, carbs, or fat. Increasing carbs too much, is the least desirable way, especially in young rabbits with less developed digestive microflora and increased carbs has the potential to cause serious GI illness. Fats can usually be increased a little, but not too much as that can lead to liver issues. A few black oil sunflower seeds is one way some people do this.

Then there's protein, which is the better and more common way to increase weight. Usually this is done by increasing pellet amounts, or occasionally adding a little alfalfa hay. Adding alfalfa hay can be a more difficult way to put on weight due it it's very high calcium having the potential to cause serious bladder or kidney issues for some rabbits. This is less likely going to be a problem in young growing rabbits or nursing mom's, as they both can need the extra calcium, but other rabbits usually don't, so the excess calcium can tax the kidneys and sometimes cause bladder/kidney issues for some rabbits. So alfalfa shouldn't be used in these instances, but a little bit mixed with grass hay is usually ok for a young rabbit.

https://wabbitwiki.com/wiki/Bladder_sludge_and_stones

Increasing pellet amounts is usually the most common way to increase a rabbits weight, with less likelihood of causing other issues, particularly if using a lower calcium pellet. Though with your rabbit still being young, extra calcium is less likely to be an issue.

Also with your rabbit still being young and growing, and possibly a medium to larger breed rabbit, he probably is needing the extra pellets on a regular basis anyways, until his growth slows as he fully matures. Usually it's recommended that young growing rabbits get a significantly increased amount of pellets, compared to what an adult rabbit gets. I fed my baby rabbits probably double to triple what my adult rabbits got, provided they were also consuming a pile of grass hay the size of their body each day. So increasing your rabbits pellet amounts gradually over a few days, is what I would do, while making sure a large handful of hay is still being eaten each day.

Baby rabbit diet

https://rabbitsindoors.weebly.com/feeding.html

With the exception of non grain grass hay, remember that new food introductions or increasing amounts, are best done gradually to help minimize the chances of GI upset occurring.

But if your rabbit is continuing to lose weight even with a higher protein intake, it's possible there is an underlying condition causing the weight loss. In young rabbits, when an adequate amount of food and protein (and water) is being provided, but the rabbit is still experiencing unhealthy weight loss, the more common causes would be stress or illness causing reduced appetite, dental problems like malocclusion affecting a rabbits ability to eat enough, internal parasites, or an infection.

https://www.rabbitnetwork.org/resources/articles/rabbit-health-articles/weight-loss-in-rabbits/

So I would start with gradually increased pellet amounts and go from there, while monitoring weight and body condition daily. But if you have concerns or are unsure, it's best to consult with your vet if a knowledgeable rabbit vet, or other experienced rabbit vet.
I gave him extra pellets and he seems to have gained it all back I can’t feel his spine or ribs anymore I’m so confused one day he was really skinny then next he’s normal again, when I bought him they told me to put only enough pellets that cover the bottom of his bowl and that’s all and I have obviously been following what they say as I don’t know anything about rabbits until now and i guess he probably is growing that’s why he’s been loosing weight because I had been feeding him those pellets ones a day. I’m really struggle with a food schedule I know it seems pretty easy but I get scared I feed him too much then too little. So he has a unlimited supply of hay, in the mornings I give him his pellets I use 2 different pellet mixes, then at night he gets his greens and a small treat, now and again I’ll go outside and cut some grass for him. Is that enough food? Or should I be giving him pellets twice a day? He only ends up finish his pellets at night now when before he used to finish them in minutes. Thank you!
 
I took a look at your links and noticed the weight one and took some photos of gravels body, could I get your opinion on if he looks underweight/normal I know your not a vet but I would really appreciate! And I’m very grateful with all the help and information you’ve given me!
 

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To me visually, I'm not noticing anything looking angular or sharp and protruding in the hind end. But it can be hard to tell just by looks because of their fur. Feel along the spine and hips. If those feel sharp and protruding, he's likely underweight. If they feel pretty well fleshed and rounded, he's likely a good weight. But if you aren't sure, consult with your vet.

Maybe he was just dehydrated from not drinking much the day of and after the surgery, and has finally caught up in getting rehydrated. That would be my guess.

If he's taking longer to finish his pellets, it can mean his growth is slowing, so he's not feeling as ravenously hungry and so the pellets aren't getting eaten as quickly. If they're there at the end of the day, then he probably has plenty of pellets, if he is also maintaining a healthy weight. Or taking longer to eat his pellets may just mean he's liking his hay more, so is eating more of that during the day instead. You will need to check and make sure his hay intake hasn't decreased, or that could be why he's losing weight, if you find he actually is underweight.

If it's that he's eating the same amount of hay as usual (or more), but is getting skinnier and not staying at a healthy weight, the issue could be with the cut of hay and the protein level. Protein levels in hay will vary depending on the variety, the growth stage it was cut, and if it was dried properly (over sun cured yellow hay, or very old hay, will have less nutrients preserved).

https://wabbitwiki.com/wiki/Hay

So a more mature coarse hay with mostly hard stems, is going to be the lowest in protein and nutrients, which adequate levels are needed to support weight maintenance and health. But a coarse hay is higher in indigestible fiber which is good for digestive motility, but can be bad if too much is consumed and not enough nutrient dense food. This type of hay can be good for rabbits prone to slow motility issues, but may need increased pellet amounts fed to provide the needed protein and nutrients to get the right balance for weight maintenance and needed nutrients for good health.

A softer hay with lots of green leafy strands and less hard stems, will be a much richer hay in nutrients and higher in protein, but much lower in indigestible fiber. This type of hay can be good for growing rabbits, but may not provide enough indigestible fiber for good gut motility. And in mature rabbits, can be too rich of a hay to feed exclusively.

So usually a second cut hay that's a good mix of both leafy strands and hard stems, is the most common one fed to pet rabbits, and is most often the best cut to feed as it has the best balance of nutrients and fiber. With this type of hay being fed, the right amount of pellets isn't usually as critical, as lots of nutrients are coming from the hay. I've had rabbits with digestive sensitivities to pellets, that were exclusively on a pellet free diet and unlimited second cut grass hay, that very easily maintained a healthy weight and good over all health. So low pellet intake doesn't necessarily lead to weight loss if the hay has the right balance of protein and nutrients, and the rabbit is also getting fed some fresh veggies and/or forage.

If you have a coarse hay, but need more protein and nutrients in the diet because your rabbit isn't maintaining a healthy weight, either a softer cut hay will need to also be fed, fresh grass/forage, or more pellets, to provide the needed protein and nutrients.

Or there's the opposite where a rabbit is getting too much nutrients and is getting overweight, or producing excess uneaten cecotropes from the excess nutrients being processed in the cecum, then less pellets and more fiber is usually needed to get the right balance of protein, nutrients, and fiber.

So it all has to do with the right balance of protein, nutrients, and fiber, in the hay most importantly and/or forage, and then some in the pellets and fresh veg, to provide what each individual rabbit needs to maintain a healthy weight and overall good health. It's kind of a complicated thing for new rabbit owners to have to try and figure out. Which is why the recommendation to feed limited pellets and unlimited hay, isn't necessarily the best advise without a more detailed explanation of the finer points of hay and pellet composition, and balancing the diet.

I have yet to find an online source that adequately covers these finer points, so I can't direct you to any one resource to read about this. But here are a few that cover some aspects of diet and how a rabbits digestive system functions.

Rabbits digestive system

https://www.merckvetmanual.com/exotic-and-laboratory-animals/rabbits/nutrition-of-rabbits

https://www.harcourt-brown.co.uk/articles/free-food-for-rabbits
 

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