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I know cat food should be grain free and fish free, but what brands are the best out there? I also read that wet food is better for their health then dry food.

How much food should a cat be fed 2 times a day? Does the fat amount matter if the cat will be indoors only?


Help :p.
 
I feed Solid Gold Katz-N-Flocken. Other good brands are CSFTCLS, Blue Buffalo, etc. What is the reason cat food should be fish free? I have heard you have to be careful with tuna because a cat might get "addicted" to it and refuse to eat anything else.
The analogy I've read many times on thecatsite.com about dry vs canned is which leaves more residue on your teeth? A cracker or pudding? Also, canned offers more moisture which is good for urinary tract health.
Feeding amounts depends on the cats weight and activity levels. My cats get 1/2 cup dryand a spoonfull of canned each per day. Fat content does matter, I think, especially since an indoor cat will never burn as many calories as outdoor cats. Katz-n-Flocken is 12% fat and I find that's a good amount. My cats aren't too active, but they get the midnight crazies of course.
Hope that helps some and I'm sure someone else will be along to add!


~Diana
 
Some of the brands we use are Chicken Soup for the Cat Lover's Soul, Wellness, Nutro and Royal Canin. These are all dry food. These all have meat as the first ingredient rather than meat by products. Cats need a high protein food and have higher protein requirements than dogs. Kittens need even more protein than adults. A good amount to feed the average adult is 1/2 cup dry a day plus a 2.5 to 3 oz can or 1/2 a 5.5 oz can. Sometimes Pet Supplies Plus has sample size bags you can buy. The Wellness kibble is very small and round so some cats may not like it. My seniors aren't too fond of it but the youngers cats eat it. Fish varieites are ok but I don't feed them every day - usually 2-3 times a week.

Royal Canin, Wellness and Nutroalso make canned food. Merrick canned food is really good too. http://www.merrickpetcare.com/about_us/ I buy it at Pet Supplies Plus too. Right now, the cats'favorite varieties areGrammy's Pot Pie and California Roll. They like most of the flavors except Turducken and the opne with liver (Cowboy Cookout?). I give my cats a 3.2 ounce can each in the evening. I feed the dry in the morning and usually leave the dry out all day.

These foods have no additives or dyes. Red dye #40 is used in a lot of the commercial foods and my cats will barf all overif they eat it.

Newman's own is organic and expensive. My cats don't like it.

Avoderm and Solid Gold are also good foods as is Evo. I usually get these at the specialty store here in town (The Natural Pet, not a chain store).

Are you getting a kitty?


 
I read Nutro has a certain ingredient which contains the stuff they use to euthanize animals...because this food uses euthanized pets in their ingredients. Myth?

I have a feed store in town that I can get most any high quality foods from. I also don't know if I like the ingredients of Royal Canin.

My rats are on Solid Gold Holistique...for dogs. I like this food for them.

Yeah, Diana...I read that dry food causes issues with their teeth and that cats aren't truely meant to eat dry food as the main diet.

I just looked at Blue Buffalo's ingredients and I didn't like them either.


I am looking for an excellent quality food. I hope the price will be reasonable, as well. I am all about feeding high quality, as it lessens the risks of health issues.



Yes, I am considering adopting. I am going to an adoption event tomorrow at PetsMart to have a look. I realized having my temp. foster kitties here, that I enjoyed their company and loved that they would lay around on the couch with me :).
 
Cat litter? What's the best type of this as well.


I have always had cats around growing up, but they have never been "mine". Now that may be getting a cat for me, I want to do every thing right.
 
undergunfire wrote:
I read Nutro has a certain ingredient which contains the stuff they use to euthanize animals...because this food uses euthanized pets in their ingredients. Myth?






http://www.nutroproducts.com/reportinfo.shtml

Not true according to Nutro. They address the issue here.


Evo is an excellent food but very expensive. Merrick is also expensive. At least for me since I am buying for 16 cats. Avoderm is hypoallergenic and great for the skin.

http://www.evopet.com/products/


Another interesting link http://www.aafco.org/Portals/0/Public/Q-AND-A-REGARDING-PETFOODREGS.PDF


Dry food comparison chart http://www.geocities.com/jmpeerson/dryfood.html

Canned food comparison chart http://www.geocities.com/jmpeerson/canfood.html

 
I did fee AvoDerm to my rats before (dog food brand) and I liked what it did for their skin..especially my naked. I switched them because Solid Gold was higher quality.

Thank you for the links. I am not sure how to compaire the foods, though.

Maybe this will help me understand...


If I get a kitten (which I don't really want to), then what levels of protien/fat/ect should I lean towards on the first "food try out"? And for a young or adult cat?
 
undergunfire wrote:
Cat litter? What's the best type of this as well.


I have always had cats around growing up, but they have never been "mine". Now that may be getting a cat for me, I want to do every thing right.


For kittens - clay is preferred. Adults - an type

We have6 boxes we use clay, Wal Mart Special Kitty clay. We find it low on dust and inexpensive. Absorbs well, etc. 10 boxes we use the Special Kitty large box of scoopable litter. This worksthe best for us. We tried about every brand of scoopable and settled on this as being the most odor and liquid absorbant. I can't stand heavily scented litters and neither can my cats.


Tally's cat care links has really good info. Scroll down to nutrition. I love this site and the links for behavior at the bottom of the page.

http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/pointe/9352/alphalinks4.html
 
Before Hobbes wound up getting cystitis (which had nothing to do with the food, so don't worry), we gave our babies Chicken Soup for the Cat Lover's Soul...and they LOVED it! We have this tiny little apartment, and Sunny started losing weight from getting great food, even with the lack of space!

As for kitty litter...we just use Tidy Cats. You can give the kitties vanilla in their water, like you do with the buns, and it helps to cut down on the ammonia smell A LOT for them as well. Just do the usual 1cc for 32oz that you do for buns.

:D
 
I give my cats dry food only, the rule of thumb many years ago was that they should only eat dry food that it was better for their teeth, and that can food was mostly water. Come to find out when i had to drag all three cats to the vet when we were discussing things that cats should be given wet food because of the water content and that with cats who get things like cystitis and stuff like that it helps to have more water in thier diet, something like that,lol. I have a problem cause none of my cats have ever eaten wet food so when i have tried to give it to them they didnt eat it.



Right now i feed Science Diet dry, and fill their bowl up and leave it for them to eat whenever they want.

I use two different cat litters in one box i use Scoop Away,a nd the other one i use Dr Ellys. I realy like the Scoop away, smells pretty good and it is clumping litter. The Dr Ellys we use because we had an issue with the one cat and didnt know if it was behavioural or medical and the vet said to use it, but it expensive to use, that is why we only use it in one box. The Dr Ellys is not as dusty as the other kind of litters, but it is not scented so you smell cat urine more often and have to clean it alot more often.
 
We feed dry food only, always have. You are right to try to find a food that has a protein (meat) source as the #1 ingredient. Brands seniorcats suggested, along with ProPlan might be ones you want to investigate. However, you also need to make your choice based on the needs of your particular cat. I would suggest a thorough vet exam and discussing the options with him/her.

The idea that you need to feed your cat canned food for the water content is a fallacy. If you are supplying your cat with an ample supply of clean, fresh water and he/she is drinking it, canned food is an expensive non-necessity. However, there are times when canned food is a positive addition to your cat's diet. For example, some cats with health concerns may benefit from a specific prescription food that comes in a moist variety. Or, if your cat has an issue that makes him/her prone to dehydration. Your vet should point you in this direction if your cat requires canned food.

Now, I am not saying that canned food is bad. Often it is a matter of personal choice for the owner and the cat. Most cats tend to be throughout-the-day gnoshers. They prefer to eat their kibble a bit at a time over the course of the day. In that case, a bowl stocked with the highest quality dry food you can afford is a good choice. Canned food will dry out. Just be careful not to overfeed. Some people mistakenly leave unlimited amounts of food out and end up with an obese kitty.

However, there are those cats who are gobblers (3 of our 10 fit that bill). For whatever reason, they scarf down their food in one sitting. There are many factors that can lead to that behavior. So if you've got a kitty like that, you need to adjust your feeding routine to whatever works for you.

Another thing about canned food is the expense. If you really are going to buy top-quality food, you will find that a wet food diet is going to cost you more meal-for-meal than dry.

Be careful if you are introducing canned food to a kitty who is used to dry. Initially, you may see some abdominal upset and/or diarrhea. As with buns (and ratties, I am sure), always make dietary changes slowly.

We DO feed a limited amount of wet food here. Louise currently gets WHATEVER she wants. But she is 20 yrs old, toothless, and has a thyroid condition. She desperately needs to NOT lose any more weight than she has in the past few years. Our vet has even recommended supplementing with kitten food in order to prevent further weight loss. To keep her from losing more, we endure less than firm stools with her - not the best scenario...but better than the alternative. When I allow our other cats to have a "treat" of wet food we often see increased diarrhea.

Why avoid seafood-based foods? I have been told (by a vet) that you are more likely to see food allergy reactions when feeding this. Food allergies in a cat present themselves as vomiting & diarrhea. I have noticed that fish-based canned foods DEFINITELY upsed the GI tract of my kitties (I've not fed a fish-based dry - so no experience there). Remember that all those "varieties" of flavors out there are more of the food companys' marketing appeal to the owners...not the cats' palates. We think, "Oooo, let' give kitty a new taste treat every meal," when kitty would be content to eat her chicken (or whatever) every time.

There's also a lot of info out there from folks who "cook" for their animals, feeding their cats actual meat. The benefits/drawbacks are all debatable. Some folks think this is more akin to the cat's natural diet. Others argue the benefits of some of the things that are added to "manufactured" food, citing that these (taurine, etc.) have helped lead to the long lives of today's house cat. I have even read testimonials from people who feed their cats "raw" carcasses because they say that's what a cat eats in it's natural habitat. Truthfully, all the debate out there can be confusing.

Well, Amy, sorry for the eternal post...but I just wanted to share and give you more "food for thought." Whatever you decide, make your choice based under the guidance of a cat-savvy vet and based on your and your cat's individual needs.

Hope it goes well for you! Keep us posted.
 
Thanks, every one....this helps me soooo much :biggrin2:!


I suppose when I do adopt, I will need to buy whatever the kitty is being fed currently, then do my switch over.

For the rats, I like to do more organic foods with them and high end dog kibble. There is sooo much out there, but I narrowed it down to SG Holistique in the end. I do feed them a tiny bit of Dog Lover's Soul Senior, but this food tends to make their poop-smell a little strong, so once the bag is done, I will pick another dog food to compliment the SG Holistique.

I'll have to take a look through Olsen's Grain later and see what I can come up with. I know to totally pass over by-products and fillers. I'll probably be in the store for 2 hours, but I'll pick the best quality and type that I can afford and try it out. I want to try to find a food that doesn't contain any fish, so that may put me up with limited choices. If the food contains "fish oils", is that okay?

I know wet food is going to cost a ton, but maybe instead of doing morning and night feedings of it, I can feed a small amount of wet at night?
 
undergunfire wrote:
Thanks, every one....this helps me soooo much :biggrin2:!


I'll have to take a look through Olsen's Grain later and see what I can come up with. I know to totally pass over by-products and fillers. I'll probably be in the store for 2 hours, but I'll pick the best quality and type that I can afford and try it out. I want to try to find a food that doesn't contain any fish, so that may put me up with limited choices. If the food contains "fish oils", is that okay?

I know wet food is going to cost a ton, but maybe instead of doing morning and night feedings of it, I can feed a small amount of wet at night?


Amy -
I don't know about fish oils... Never really noticed if a lot of foods have them... I think you are okay to do a combo of wet & dry as long as you take it slowly and find what suits your kitty's digestive tract best.

When Louise has her canned breakfast here best friend, Nellie, always eats with her. For whatever reason Louise does not like to eat breakfast alone and won't finish without Nellie. Nellie does fine with a bit of wet food (no GI issues), and she gets bullied at the dry food dishes anyway so it's one of her main meals.

I know you will be a great kitty mom; you take such good care of your animals.
 
Meat by products are fine for cats. What they mean by the by -products are things like heart, liver, etc which cats have always eaten when killing their own prey and also which are found in raw diets.

I have an issue with tap water.Our vet told us about several studies that indicate tap water (city water with chemicals added) may cause FUS/cystitis problems. Since we use filtered well water, no cat has had an FUS issue in 20 years.

I think Rosie is also using bottled or filtered water.
 
seniorcats wrote:
Meat by products are fine for cats. What they mean by the by -products are things like heart, liver, etc which cats have always eaten when killing their own prey and also which are found in raw diets.

I have an issue with tap water.Our vet told us about several studies that indicate tap water (city water with chemicals added) may cause FUS/cystitis problems. Since we use filtered well water, no cat has had an FUS issue in 20 years.

I think Rosie is also using bottled or filtered water.
Yes...bottled reverse osmosis filtered water helps SO MUCH with Hobbes and his cystitis issues. That and we feed them Innova EVO dry food (our kitties REFUSE to eat wet food...even tuna or salmon!), and that helps a lot, too. Innova's on the expensive side, though, which is why I recommended Chicken Soup. It's just marginally more expensive than the foods you buy at pet stores. :)
 
My kitty Tbone who is 19 gets Innova Evo - has absolutely no grains/fillers.. It cured her Irritabe Bowel Syndrome and really turned her around when she was diagnosed 1.5 years ago with kidney failure. However, today she is acting like she is really uncomfortable - so going to post a new thread here about that. But checkout Innova - I really like it.
 
I definitely do like Innova! I also only use filtered water. I won't drink tap, so why should my "kids" :p?


I didn't find a kitty today. I just didn't get that immediate "that kitty owns me" feeling, hahaha ;). Ryan and I are going to go back to PetsMart & Petco early tomorrow. We didn't get there until about 3pm today, so there were empty kennels.

If I still don't find a kitty, then that is okay....we will go to Miss Kitty's Cat House this next Thursday and hang out with the kitties, then take one home on a "field trip" to see if the kitty fits well with us before signing adoption papers.

Ryan and I really want to adopt from Miss Kitty's, so we can be patient :p. I try to go there every other Thursdays now with a lady from work that volunteers.


:)
 
Intresting article about water.

http://www.aquasanastore.com/water-you_b03.html

Excerpt:

It is also important to look at the advantages or disadvantages of other products or technologies, even if they are not leading brands; such is the case with reverse osmosis and distillation systems. Although none of the leading brands employ either of these de-mineralizing techniques‚ as their popularity has declined in recent years‚ there is an ongoing debate over the healthfulness of de-mineralized water versus filtered water (which contains minerals). While there are studies that argue both sides of this debate‚ after 15 years of specialized study in water quality and health‚ we feel that the benefits of drinking naturally balanced water with minerals are much more evident.

From a non-scientific perspective‚ the simple fact that nowhere on this planet do we find naturally occurring de-mineralized water should tell us that we were not meant to drink it. In nature, all fresh water contains traces of natural minerals like calcium‚ magnesium and potassium. Our bodies were designed to run on these minerals and the Aquasana system produces them.

On a more scientific level‚ there are several very credible research reports and books that stress the more recent opinion that long-term consumption of de-mineralized water can, in fact, be dangerous. Dr. Zolton Rona‚ author of The Joy of Health‚ states, “The longer one consumes distilled water‚ the more likely the development of mineral deficiencies and an acid state [will be]." Dr. Paavo Airola‚ cancer expert and author of How to Get Well and Cancer... Causes‚ Prevention and Healing also reports. “Long-term consumption of distilled water eventually results in multiple mineral deficiencies."

Two very negative things happen when we consume water that has been stripped of its natural minerals. First‚ because de-mineralized water contains more hydrogen, it is classified as an acidic liquid with a pH below seven. Any time we consume an acidic substance, our body will pull minerals from our teeth and bones to produce bicarbonate to neutralize the acid. Second‚ it has been proven that when our body fluids become more acidic than alkaline, the production of free radicals increases; these free radicals result in increased cancer risk. Many studies suggest that cancer cells can only grow in an acidic environment. This theory seems to be supported by the fact that, around the world, the regions in which people live the longest, most disease-free lives are the regions that have the most alkaline water (water with the highest mineral content).

 
Thanks for that, Alicia....very interesting. I use a filter pitcher from the tap. Buying bottled water is too expensive anyway, when I already pay a water bill...lol.
 
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