2008 Presidential Vote

[JadeIcing]

Bo B Bunny wrote:

Ali, I think a lot of people have a feeling like that who are not Catholic. It is a very "formatted" service, and there has been (sometimes justly) criticism of the church and tons of other issues.

Hehe ever sit through a Jehovah's Witness service? It is very formatted.

The church was very corrupt many years ago - you had to pay for your sins and stuff.

I don't agree with everything the church stands for but it's a Christian faith and there are some things I agree with completely.

Thats me!

Can you tell me the basis for not celebrating birthdays and stuff? I would think that would be a huge celebration since it's the birth of a new child being remembered....... :huh

We raised and are told that if some one wishes us Happy Birthday or gives us a gift. We are to be respectful. Say thank you and leave it at that. Read 3 and 4

This site has lots and lots of information.

Also one thing that irks me is the Pledge of Allegiance. We do not say it but our expected to stand out of respect for those who believe and those who gave their lives for it.

I think like any religion people take it to far. I also believe no religion is wrong it is the people an the way they practice it that is wrong.

 

[JadeIcing]

JadeIcing wrote:

Bo B Bunny wrote:

Ali, I think a lot of people have a feeling like that who are not Catholic. It is a very "formatted" service, and there has been (sometimes justly) criticism of the church and tons of other issues.

Hehe ever sit through a Jehovah's Witness service? It is very formatted.

The church was very corrupt many years ago - you had to pay for your sins and stuff.

I don't agree with everything the church stands for but it's a Christian faith and there are some things I agree with completely.

Thats me!

Can you tell me the basis for not celebrating birthdays and stuff? I would think that would be a huge celebration since it's the birth of a new child being remembered....... :huh

We raised and are told that if some one wishes us Happy Birthday or gives us a gift. We are to be respectful. Say thank you and leave it at that. Read 3 and 4

Also a good one to read to understand alittle more.

This site has lots and lots of information.

Also one thing that irks me is the Pledge of Allegiance. We do not say it but our expected to stand out of respect for those who believe and those who gave their lives for it.

I think like any religion people take it to far. I also believe no religion is wrong it is the people an the way they practice it that is wrong.

 

[BethM]

Bo B Bunny wrote:

I agree completely - marriage is to me a religious event. However, my hubby and I were first married by the Justice of the Peace. I consider that a LEGAL union, civil union or whatever.

I just got married at the end of September. We couldn't afford both a big ceremony and a honeymoon, and neither of us is particularly religious, so we chose to go on a honeymoon, to Hawaii. We got married while we were there, just a little thing on a beach at sunset, just us. It was nice, but I have to say it wasn't the most exciting part of our 10 days there. We've been living together for 2 years, and it's a little uncomfortable when people ask, "how's married life?" Because it's pretty much the same as shacked-up life, to me, just now we're legally bound to each other. I just strongly believe that everyone should have the opportunity to have those legal rights.

His mom and step-mom have both offered to throw a reception-type get together at a later date, and we got cards/money from his relatives, most of whom I've never even met. My family is really upset, I guess, we haven't gotten any cards, not so much as a phone call to congratulate us. I'm not really surprised, they're Catholic and expected the big ceremony. Well, tough for them. I refuse to conform to their religious standards.

 

[Luvmyzoocrew]

JadeIcing wrote:

I think like any religion people take it to far. I also believe no religion is wrong it is the people an the way they practice it that is wrong.

I agree

 

[JadeIcing]

I had a HUGE wedding but had nothing religious what so ever. Why because my family and his have many different religions. I didn't want anyone offended. I had a JP and it HAD to be a woman.

BethM wrote:

Bo B Bunny wrote:

I agree completely - marriage is to me a religious event. However, my hubby and I were first married by the Justice of the Peace. I consider that a LEGAL union, civil union or whatever.

I just got married at the end of September. We couldn't afford both a big ceremony and a honeymoon, and neither of us is particularly religious, so we chose to go on a honeymoon, to Hawaii. We got married while we were there, just a little thing on a beach at sunset, just us. It was nice, but I have to say it wasn't the most exciting part of our 10 days there. We've been living together for 2 years, and it's a little uncomfortable when people ask, "how's married life?" Because it's pretty much the same as shacked-up life, to me, just now we're legally bound to each other. I just strongly believe that everyone should have the opportunity to have those legal rights.

His mom and step-mom have both offered to throw a reception-type get together at a later date, and we got cards/money from his relatives, most of whom I've never even met. My family is really upset, I guess, we haven't gotten any cards, not so much as a phone call to congratulate us. I'm not really surprised, they're Catholic and expected the big ceremony. Well, tough for them. I refuse to conform to their religious standards.

 

[JadeIcing]

Random but I like this [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFnzbjftMwc&feature=PlayList&p=B70F7335E121353E&index=3&playnext=4&playnext_from=PL]I like a boy.[/ame] They have some funny videos. This one is one that makes me smile.

 

[Bunnys_rule63]

Luvmyzoocrew wrote:

JadeIcing wrote:

I think like any religion people take it to far. I also believe no religion is wrong it is the people an the way they practice it that is wrong.

I agree

Very true.One of my major pet peeves about life is prejudice and discrimination, whether that is against skin colour, cultural/class background, sexuality,religion etc. I believe that anybody should have the right to practice and believe in whatever religion they want and should respect everyone else's beliefs.

For instance, my best friend isn't religious at all. In fact she is very anti-religion (not that I can blame her after all she has been through in her life). Another one of my very good friends is very religious (Church of England) and attends church regularly. Do their religious beliefs affect my friendship with them? Of course not!! Each to their own.

 

[JadeIcing]

My brother has very negative feelings about religion. He knows to watch what he says in front of me. He knows we were taught to respect EVERYONES beliefs.

Bunnys_rule63 wrote:

Luvmyzoocrew wrote:

JadeIcing wrote:

I think like any religion people take it to far. I also believe no religion is wrong it is the people an the way they practice it that is wrong.

I agree

Very true.One of my major pet peeves about life is prejudice and discrimination, whether that is against skin colour, cultural/class background, sexuality,religion etc. I believe that anybody should have the right to practice and believe in whatever religion they want and should respect everyone else's beliefs.

For instance, my best friend isn't religious at all. In fact she is very anti-religion (not that I can blame her after all she has been through in her life). Another one of my very good friends is very religious (Church of England) and attends church regularly. Do their religious beliefs affect my friendship with them? Of course not!! Each to their own.

 

[pinksalamander]

I strongly agree with 'each to their own'. I don't tell Religious people they are wrong. I don't storm into churches and shout 'YOUR ALL KIDDING YOURSELVES!' so why do some religious people do that to me?

I'm curious actually, from those of you who are religious, do you agree with those who preach on the street etc? If any of you have been to Covent Garden in London you may be familiar with the old lady who walks over to you while your munching your sandwiches and tells you how God will smite you and how you are the Devil and are evil and will be condemned to a life in hell. That really irritates me. I mean, I don't care. I don't believe I will go to hell but its hardly a good attitude to intimidate people.

I also feel intimidated by people who turn up at my house. The other day this guy turns up and tells me how he wants to discuss with me the meaning of life. I say, no, sorry, I don't want to discuss that. So he tells me that I'm obviously following the devil and need to repent my sins or whatever. I say no, and close the door on him and he puts his foot in the door. I was petrified I could have cried. I'm only 17 and I was home alone and this guy was trying to come in my house telling me that I was evil. I find it hurtful.

It actually makes me dislike religion even more. I'm agnostic. I would probably be more open to religious ideas if I didn't have some people who do things like this. I know its not everyone, but do you guys support this? I often feel strongly intimidated when people tell me they are very religious because I get worried they will try to convert me, and will dislike me or not want to get to know me if I tell them I'm not religious. Even if you don't do it yourself do you support your fellow people from your religion trying to convert people? I'm genuinely interested.

Fran :hearts :brownbunny

 

[JadeIcing]

pinksalamander wrote:

I strongly agree with 'each to their own'. I don't tell Religious people they are wrong. I don't storm into churches and shout 'YOUR ALL KIDDING YOURSELVES!' so why do some religious people do that to me?

If I did that and my family found out...:shock::rip:

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I'm curious actually, from those of you who are religious, do you agree with those who preach on the street etc? If any of you have been to Covent Garden in London you may be familiar with the old lady who walks over to you while your munching your sandwiches and tells you how God will smite you and how you are the Devil and are evil and will be condemned to a life in hell. That really irritates me. I mean, I don't care. I don't believe I will go to hell but its hardly a good attitude to intimidate people.

That seems...umm...harsh. An creepy.

I also feel intimidated by people who turn up at my house. The other day this guy turns up and tells me how he wants to discuss with me the meaning of life. I say, no, sorry, I don't want to discuss that. So he tells me that I'm obviously following the devil and need to repent my sins or whatever. I say no, and close the door on him and he puts his foot in the door. I was petrified I could have cried. I'm only 17 and I was home alone and this guy was trying to come in my house telling me that I was evil. I find it hurtful.

That is um no. You don't do that. We are taught when we go door to door. To always be respectful. I also believe if you are on the other side of the door you should be respectful to them. If they are to you that is. I have heard of witness that have had dogs let loose on them. Had things thrown at them, before they even opened their mouth or even knocked on the door.

It actually makes me dislike religion even more. I'm agnostic. I would probably be more open to religious ideas if I didn't have some people who do things like this. I know its not everyone, but do you guys support this? I often feel strongly intimidated when people tell me they are very religious because I get worried they will try to convert me, and will dislike me or not want to get to know me if I tell them I'm not religious. Even if you don't do it yourself do you support your fellow people from your religion trying to convert people? I'm genuinely interested.

Fran :hearts :brownbunny

Do I support people who do it that way? Never it is wrong. Have I ever tried to convert someone? Actually...no I have never tried I just speak of my faith.

 

[Jenk]

Happi Bun wrote:

:woohoo

Go Obama!

I'm late in replying to this thread but want to add that I voted for Obama (for as many personal reasons as anyone else voted for either candidate). I should note, though, that my vote had nothing to do with the fact that Obama is from Chicago(I'm from/inthe Chicago 'burbs); I'd have voted for him if he'd been from MS, AL, CA, etc. It wouldn't have mattered.

Several years ago, before Obama announced his candidacy for the U.S. presidency, I read his book The Audacity of Hope; it was then that I secretly hoped he'd one day run for the Office.

I couldn't witness Obama's acceptance speech in person but watched it on live t.v., tears running unchecked down my face. I am still feeling shocked and elated.

Jenk

 

[pinksalamander]

That is um no. You don't do that. We are taught when we go door to door. To always be respectful. I also believe if you are on the other side of the door you should be respectful to them. If they are to you that is. I have heard of witness that have had dogs let loose on them. Had things thrown at them, before they even opened their mouth or even knocked on the door.

But isn't that sorta bad? Like, its my home. If I wanted to convert or ask questions about religion I would do it in my own time. What would happen if I arrived at your door and said 'I want to talk to you about how you shouldn't be religious, and how there is no God'. I find it intimidating and rude even when they aren't really annoying (like that guy way). Its my house. They are on my property and I don't want them there. Just like most people wouldn't like people arriving at their door and trying to sell them soemthing, or calling them trying to make them buy double glazing.

Sorry if I sound rude. It just annoys me. I don't want to know about their religion, or I would go and find out myself.

Fran :hearts :brownbunny

 

[JadeIcing]

pinksalamander wrote:

That is um no. You don't do that. We are taught when we go door to door. To always be respectful. I also believe if you are on the other side of the door you should be respectful to them. If they are to you that is. I have heard of witness that have had dogs let loose on them. Had things thrown at them, before they even opened their mouth or even knocked on the door.

But isn't that sorta bad? Like, its my home.

We preach because that is what Jesus did. He spread his words and wanted his people to do the same,

If I wanted to convert or ask questions about religion I would do it in my own time. What would happen if I arrived at your door and said 'I want to talk to you about how you shouldn't be religious, and how there is no God'.

That would be your right. More than likely I would reply no thank you that I believe in God.

I find it intimidating and rude even when they aren't really annoying (like that guy way).

I know many who do and I understand they are just following their faith.

Its my house. They are on my property and I don't want them there. Just like most people wouldn't like people arriving at their door and trying to sell them soemthing, or calling them trying to make them buy double glazing.

I get that. I know that we were told if they had a sticker no soliciting we are to respect that.

Sorry if I sound rude. It just annoys me. I don't want to know about their religion, or I would go and find out myself.

Fran :hearts :brownbunny

I should also point out I am 26 and haven't gone door to door since I was maybe 12.

My father-in-law is a very catholic man but he got to know the witnesses that went around his neighborhood. Now they come to his door just to chat and have coffee.

 

[Jenk]

pinksalamander wrote:

I strongly agree with 'each to their own'. I don't tell Religious people they are wrong. I don't storm into churches and shout 'YOUR ALL KIDDING YOURSELVES!' so why do some religious people do that to me?

Two years' ago, two women (Jehovah's Witnesses) came to our door; one of them tried talking to my husband about her particular faith's views. I couldn't hear much of her side of the conversation, but I did hear my hubby say (fib) that he's Pagan. The woman basically replied, "Oh," and high-tailed it off of our porch.

I agree with those who state that faith is a very personal issue and should be respected by others. I don't feel that I've the right to tell anyone what faith to follow in his/her pursuit of God/spirituality/etc. If one chooses to not practice any faith, so be it; again, it's his/her individual choice. (Can you tell that I'm not big on someone else telling me what I ought believe, how I ought view God/the Bible and practice various religious rituals? )

I'm curious actually, from those of you who are religious, do you agree with those who preach on the street etc? If any of you have been to Covent Garden in London you may be familiar with the old lady who walks over to you while your munching your sandwiches and tells you how God will smite you and how you are the Devil and are evil and will be condemned to a life in hell. That really irritates me. I mean, I don't care. I don't believe I will go to hell but its hardly a good attitude to intimidate people.

Such preaching counters Jesus' approach to people of various backgrounds, as detailed in the Gospels (both those included in, and those excluded from, the Bible). In fact, he allegedly instructed his followers to pray in private.

The other day this guy turns up and tells me how he wants to discuss with me the meaning of life. I say, no, sorry, I don't want to discuss that. So he tells me that I'm obviously following the devil and need to repent my sins or whatever. I say no, and close the door on him and he puts his foot in the door. I was petrified I could have cried. I'm only 17 and I was home alone and this guy was trying to come in my house telling me that I was evil. I find it hurtful.

At that point, I'd have threatened to call the police, if he didn't remove his foot from my doorway. Just food for thought, should another horribly rude individual show up on your doorstep anytime soon. (Age 17, or not, you've the right to tell someone when s/he had crossed the line of your personal safety boundaries.)

 

[Jenk]

JadeIcing wrote:

My father-in-law is a very catholic man but he got to know the witnesses that went around his neighborhood. Now they come to his door just to chat and have coffee.

See, now that is the type of civility and respect that should be practiced amongst people of all belief systems.

 

[JadeIcing]

Jenk wrote:

JadeIcing wrote:

My father-in-law is a very catholic man but he got to know the witnesses that went around his neighborhood. Now they come to his door just to chat and have coffee.

See, now that is the type of civility and respect that should be practiced amongst people of all belief systems.

That is what I was raised to behave like. Sometimes I don't understand how people can act any other way.

 

[NorthernAutumn]

NOTE: use of the generalized "you and your" employed

I am more impressed by people emulating Christ's actions in their everyday and public lives, rather than verbally telling me what I should believe. That is a waste of time that could be better spent putting faith into measurable, positive action.

Get the group together, and help out at a soup kitchen. Give your short and snappy Jesus talk while people are eating, and let them take it in.

If you can't walk the walk, I don't want to hear you talk. Many people who profess to follow a faith are nasty people in their personal lives. There are very few people out there who should even attempt to mentor someone in their spiritual journey.

I respect the lay minister at my home church. Here is a man who's wife has severe cerebral palsy,and is confined to a wheelchair, and one very mentally handicapped son to boot. He has a very low-paying job as a small town newspaper photographer.
He lives with this everyday, and still manages to preach joyful news on Sunday. He is one of the very few people I've met who actually exemplify Christian thought at its best (and trust me, I've been around a lot of "religious" people:?)

To me, approaching me about converting to your faith without even first asking if I have a faith is ludicrous. I find that door to door converters dismiss my faith easily, and I'm a Presbyterian, for Pete's Sake! Same god, different viewpoint! I would hate to be someone from the non-Christian religious sphere and have to listen to the obvious dismissal of my spirituality.

Considering that the basic premises of all religions strive for peace and justice between peoples, I don't see one someone should be touting over another. If you need more sheep to join you, do something that actually makes someone's life better.

 

[JadeIcing]

NorthernAutumn wrote:

Considering that the basic premises of all religions strive for peace and justice between peoples, I don't see one someone should be touting over another.

That is why I say.

 

[paul2641]

I'm glad obama won. McCain just seemed like another bush to me war crazy.

 

[Jenk]

NorthernAutumn wrote:

I am more impressed by people emulating Christ's actions in their everyday and public lives, rather than verbally telling me what I should believe.

Ahhh...But actually living Jesus'lessons is so much more difficult than judging others' faults. And, thus,so many people flap their gums, rather than walk the walk.

I respect the lay minister at my home church. Here is a man who's wife has severe cerebral palsy,and is confined to a wheelchair, and one very mentally handicapped son to boot. He has a very low-paying job as a small town newspaper photographer.
He lives with this everyday, and still manages to preach joyful news on Sunday. He is one of the very few people I've met who actually exemplify Christian thought at its best (and trust me, I've been around a lot of "religious" people:?)

Kudos to him; so many people would feel defeated in such a situation. But a rare few can extract the positive from any situation, which can be so uplifting/instructive to others.

I find that door to door converters dismiss my faith easily, and I'm a Presbyterian, for Pete's Sake! Same god, different viewpoint!

But didn't you know that there's only "one, true" faith (which, of course, is whatever faith is being preached in your face)?

I was raised as (what I call) a "relaxed Roman Catholic." I wasn't told that I had to believe every bit of dogma taught by the RCC.I no longer label myself as any one faith and, instead,study many religious (various Christian,Pagan, Hindu, Buddhist, etc., sects). One can learn a lot about his/her own spirituality by learning about that of others.

Considering that the basic premises of all religions strive for peace and justice between peoples, I don't see one someone should be touting over another.

People forget that, in the NT, Jesus is said to have complimented people of various religious backgrounds (Jewish, Pagan, etc.) ontheir faith. He didn't discriminate and say, "You must believe as Ibelieve." Rather, he demonstrated howall people should live (i.e., as their brother's keeper), versushow they should label themselves, toot their own horn(s) and judge others.