Wood pellets

[OakRidgeRabbits]

For those of you who use wood pellets as litter, what do you use? I usually just pick up equine pine pellets, but heard that some people use actual stove pellets (not specifically marketed as litter).

After I picked up a bag, a friend told me that wood stove pellets are often made of hardwoods which are not safe for rabbits.

Opinions? My rabbits don't have contact with the litter, it's just in the trays.

 

[Korr_and_Sophie]

I use wood stove pellets. The ones I got this time actually say they can be used as pet litter. I get whatever Rona has, so it can vary. I have found that the horse pellets tend to be more expensive and are harder to find around here (in the city and I don't really know the feed stores in the area, Rona is about a 5 minute or less drive).

 

[Nancy McClelland]

The first time I heard of pellets being used, they were the wood stove kind. Never heard anything bad about them before.

 

[OakRidgeRabbits]

I asked the person who told me this- apparently some hardwood pellets contain black walnut, which is poisonous to a variety of living things. Horse pellets are specifically formulated to include soft woods because contact with black walnut can cause laminitis. I just wondered whether anyone had heard anything related to rabbits- either contact toxicity or fumes/respiratory.

Here is an article with a little overview about black walnut:
http://ohioline.osu.edu/hyg-fact/1000/1148.html

 

[SOOOSKA]

Good Lord, I heard the complete opposite. I also heard that either or are ok.

i use what ever the store has when i buy them. Sometimes hard wood, sometimes soft wood, sometimes mixed.

I have been using them for years now, no issue.

Do a search on here, I know their was a blog about this a while ago.

Susan

 

[OakRidgeRabbits]

Hm...well, I guess I'll just stick to the horse pellets to be on the safe side. Others I've talked to who have tried both said the softwood tends to be more absorbent and they noticed a weird odor to hardwood (???).

I was just going to try hardwood because it was cheaper, but maybe I can find another use for it. I just use the pellets sprinkled on top of shavings, so one bag lasts awhile anyway.

 

[majorv]

We haven't tried the wood stove pellets. We can get the equine wood pellets at TSC or a feed store for about $6 per 40/lb bag. If the wood stove pellets emit a fume when they burn that's one thing but if they emit it when they get wet then I'd be very leery of using them. I'm curious to know.

 

[Ape337]

I have used both. I found that the hardwood pellets didn't absorb urine the way softwood pellets do so I only use softwood pellets. I use southern states premium pellet bedding. It's for horses and costs about $7 for 40 lbs. It may be slightly less than that but it's been a while since I bought it because I buy several bags when I'm up there.

Black walnut trees do contain juglone which is poisonous to many plants that attempt to grow near it. It has the effect of reducing competition for the tree. I've only ever dealt with it in the plant world. I'd never heard of it being poisonous to animals so I checked out OSU's info and they did say something about being careful with animals and fresh shavings. But they also said the compound degrades during composting and with exposure to air, water and bacteria.

Since pellets are processed I would think juglone would have degraded during processing? :?

 

[Troller]

I used wood stove pellets, whatever Lowes is selling at the time. I cant say Ive been using it so long that I'd know for sure but no problems so far. When I asked my Vet (she's a noted vet in these parts) she said it was fine as long as there were no accelerants (logical Id figure).

 

[Kipcha]

We get the equine pellets. They're cheaper and they are fairly easy to get for us because we have horses as well and give them supplements/feed, mainly during the winter where the pasture isn't available, and we stock up on them whenever we go to the feed store. They're only $4.99 for a 40 lb bag so it lasts quite a while.

 

[ldoerr]

When I used to use them I just used whatever the feed store sold. It was like $4-$5 a bag I think (been a few years since I bought any). I do not use them anymore though.

 

[roxyllsk]

I get the horse bedding too. It does the best job of controlling the urine odor or any bedding product I've tried. Even if parts of the litter are totally sodden, they don't smell. It's so reasonably priced I don't bother trying to save any of the dry litter, I just dump the whole thing and refill with fresh. I have 2 wee bunnies and have 2 litter pans that I change every 2 or 3 days.

I got 3 bags (30 or 40lbs) for like $19, which will probably last me several months. I was using the newpaper bedding, and $20 worth would only last me 2 weeks and the litterpans would start to get stinky by the time they were due for a change.

If you don't have a Tractor Supply nearby (and they are popping up everywhere any more), try looking in the phone book for your local feed store (Agway, or a Blue Seal Feed dealer, or something like that). They'll have it as well.

 

[user 16056]

After I picked up a bag, a friend told me that wood stove pellets are often made of hardwoods which are not safe for rabbits.

It's actually quite the opposite. Hard woods are the safe wood to use. Soft woods are just dangerous. Pine, fir, Cedar, Etc.
Its often not as noticed when it comes to pellets, especially if your rabbit doesnt have physical contact them, but why risk it?

Have a read of these 2 links

http://www.rabbit.org/care/shavings.html

http://www.afrma.org/rminfo2a.htm

 

[Kipcha]

It's actually quite the opposite. Hard woods are the safe wood to use. Soft woods are just dangerous. Pine, fir, Cedar, Etc.
Its often not as noticed when it comes to pellets, especially if your rabbit doesnt have physical contact them, but why risk it?

Have a read of these 2 links

http://www.rabbit.org/care/shavings.html

http://www.afrma.org/rminfo2a.htm

Thing is, it is the oils in the wood that are dangerous for the animals, so when they are kiln dried for the pellets, it removes those oils and makes them safe for bunnies.

Besides, I am pretty certain Cedar is the main dangerous one, and those aren't often used, especially in the pellets I use for horses since Cedar isn't good for anything.

 

[Watermelons]

It will never remove all the oils. Cedar is definatly more dangerous but other soft woods still pose a danger. Why risk their health over a few dollars? There are a fair number of recycled newspaper pellets out there. Horse and wood stove pellets are designed for well stoves and huge animals that dont keep their noses within an inch of the bedding when their on it.

Point is Pine and Cedar are still dangous woods. Unless their still in plank or 2x4 form, ground up or shaved up allows for so much more surface area to be exposed where those oils can escape from. People should still really look into it.

 

[Kipcha]

Horse and wood stove pellets are designed for well stoves and huge animals that dont keep their noses within an inch of the bedding when their on it.

Point is Pine and Cedar are still dangous woods. Unless their still in plank or 2x4 form, ground up or shaved up allows for so much more surface area to be exposed where those oils can escape from. People should still really look into it.

Horses most certainly do spend a lot of time with their noses to the ground, a lot of people choose to feed hay by laying it on the ground after all. Not to mention most stall horses are confined to a small area for very long amounts of time in spaces with normally poor ventilation. Horses will kick stuff up and it floats in the air, it will be breathed in by them. A lot of horses even sometimes lay down in their stalls. Ours are out on pasture so we don't have to worry about that, but horses are a huge investment, upwards tens of thousands of dollars, and most of the expensive stables will use the pellets since they don't cause the respiratory problems in horses like shavings and other beddings do.

Like I said, Cedar isn't used in most of them. I know it's not in the stuff we use.

I have never seen a true study suggesting that these pellets are bad. The shavings, yeah, but not the pellets themselves. I, for one, definitely do not feel I am putting my rabbits in any danger by using equine wood pellets.

 

[majorv]

The equine pellets are the best I've used for odor control and absorption. Their cheap cost is just another plus for me. If I run across an unbiased study that proves they aren't safe then I'll certainly reconsider. :thumbup

 

[Elliot]

Wow..I have been buying them at a pet store, and am probably paying 4X as much!

 

[ldoerr]

Wow..I have been buying them at a pet store, and am probably paying 4X as much!

AT LEAST lol

 

[Elliot]

Ok, I live in a big town, so not too many horse feed stores around. I found one fairly close that sells it by the lb. or $29.00 for a 50#lb bag. That is much cheaper than the $21.95 I am paying for 10#lb!