What colours/patterns to start with?

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I'll ask for you tonight :)
RVRC - Rare Variety Rabbit Club.
The secretarys number is 01924 259509 (I've just realised, she lives in the same city as me lol)

And the BRC info number is on the site
 
To be honest, your a lot more likely to get something off the RVRC than a forum. I find most exhibitors only tend to know of breeders with the same breeds as them.

If you still want me to ask, tell me and I'll do it tommorow :)
 
Demismith wrote:
I never knew about health defects in charlies. It's only a pattern on the fur.

Anyway, did the BRC say there was only one person they knew of breeding Rhinelanders? I know there is one that takes a few to shows in Yorkshire

Genes that control coat color also effect other cells. The genes that control pigment cell migration also control nerve cell migration to the intestines. In many cases, we aren't aware of the other systems affected by coat color genes, however in some cases, these genes can be lethal.

Pam
 
I wonder does the possible genetic defect occur more frequently in Charlies of certain breeds (like Rhinelanders)? Are the dotted brokens more prone to it than those with a blanket pattern?
 
Ic can occur more in certain breeds than others. It's a problem we occasionally have with Dwarf Hotots (which are charlies as well as minimal white dutch).

Pam
 
Is it possible to minimize the risk by avoiding charlies (even though it would probably impossible in the long run without loosing the pattern) Does linebreeding increase the chances of these defects?
 
Multifactorial inheritance makes it impossible to predict the occurrence of megacolon. While a homozygous minimal colored charlie is more likely to suffer from megacolor - not all will.

Pam
 
maybe i can offer some usefull information about rhinelanders

i bred them for about 3 or 4 years.

all 3 coat colors (self/sport, broken/standard, and charlies) can be used in breeding.

not this comes from an american breeder, i was not terribly familure with non-american bred rhinelanders.

for the most part self/sport have heavier bone, they tend to be stockier animals

and charlies have considerably lighter bone, they tend to be more hare-looking.

when i bred, i always judged what animals i kept and used in my breeding program based on my standard/broken animals.

for instance, i might have a standard/broken doe that has great markings but maybe is a little stockier then i wanted, i would try to breed her to either a light boned standard/broken or a charlie.

it also helps clean up muddy side markings to use charlies. i found that many breeders might have great type but the side markings are muddy and sloppy looking.

now this is completely by choice, i didn't have an issue with rehoming unwanted babies so i didn't do it, butmany breeders cull out of the box. they take everything that isn't standard/broken and cull at day 1.

i started off with only a pair or 2 standard/broken rhines. the buck had great type but muddy side patterns, and the doe had great side markings but not as great type and spine markings.

my advice would be to try to get a trio at least. i would honestly suggest if you really want to breed them and can afford to do so to get 2 bucks and 3 does. that gives you some playing around with. i always will suggest to look for the best buck and take the best (but maybe not as good) doe(s). to not just look at the markings on the animals (if they are selfs, brokens, or charlies) but go for the body type.

and enjoy them, rhinelanders are a great breed, they are active and fun, but not as 'wild' as many high-arch breeds can be.

anyway, i hope i helped, feels like i was just kinda talking random about the breed lol and good luck!
 
I think we should clarify that we are referring to coat "patterns" because there are actually people working on various coat "colors" in the Rhines (eg blue).

Pam
 
I personally was just thinking of the tricoloured (brown/black) pattern. I haven't really come across any other colours
 
i think that the blue/fawn is still very new, and hard to come by.

i would stick with the black/orange when getting into them, as the new varieties will be harder to work with. they will have not as good body type.

i think that they are for sure working on the blue/fawn, and when i bred there was talk about chocolate/orange and lilac/fawn also getting started, but i haven't bred in so long that i am out of the loop.
 
As a novice I will probably stick with the original type. I still need to learn a lot to recognize the right body type and pattern so I hope to find a breeder that will supply me with quality animals.
I think a trio will be initially as much as I dare to start with. I can't see myself culling so I will also have to see if I find enough homes for the offspring that I won't keep.
There is a growing interest in large breeds and also meat breeds in Ireland so hopefully there will be lots of demand.
 

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