Weren't lionheads recently accepted?
what breed?
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Weren't lionheads recently accepted?
Imbrium
Jennifer
Were they? They aren't listed on the ARBA site as a recognized breed; however, I'm not exactly "in the loop" when it comes to showing bunnies... perhaps they haven't updated the site?
Even if they are recognized, I bet there's another breed out there that people are still trying to get accepted
Even if they are recognized, I bet there's another breed out there that people are still trying to get accepted
RabbitGirl101
Well-Known Member
Please don't breed just to breed. Creating a new breed takes years of dedication. You have to be a member of ARBA and you have to do extensive research on genetics and I won't go into depth on how much you will have to breed. You would not be able to breed just once. You would have to have hundreds of top quality animals, to achieve a new breed status, maybe not at once but with a couple of years hundreds of animals would have passed by you. Becoming a COD holder is also very difficult and you would have to develop a standard for that breed you want to create. It would take a minimum of three years just to get them presented and accepted. Assuming that you pass each presentation and also assuming you have already talked to ARBA to get the COD.
If you are still thinking of creating a new breed, let me tell you it does NOT take just three short years, its more like 20 short years. Lionheads took forever to get accepted and there were multiple COD holders that had to drop the presentation or they failed it. There also many different colors, yet only two colors passed in lionheads.
Please don't breed unless you plan on dedicating your life to developing a new, healthy and unique breed. Thank you.
whitelop
Morgan
Lionheads were recently accepted. Like a month or two ago, so they are now a recognized ARBA breed.
I'll just add that they are only recognized in tort and REW though.
zombiesue
Well-Known Member
I'd like to reiterate this. Just to be allowed to say you're working on a breed takes a few years of ARBA membership, and then you might find that the breed you're working so hard on can't be accepted.
Take, for instance, the 'plush lop'--the rules say that a rabbit can't qualify as a new breed if it only differs in fur type. So there's all these people working on a rabbit breed that will NEVER EVER be accepted as its own breed unless they come up with some other difference.
Furthermore, I'm sorry, but no one is going to take you seriously. Your rabbit is cute, and it was a great present, but it's not a breeding animal. I don't think your mother will be offended if you decide not to breed her, and you absolutely should not.
akane
Well-Known Member
Petstores slap the dwarf label on anything that fits in their cages. Most are mutts of at least 2 breed crosses and the rest are just poor representations of the breed. This is a pure netherland dwarf from a breeder who sells solely to petstores
She's just a crappy netherland dwarf but her color was cool. We finally sorted it out to be a marten and self chinchilla and sable (or dark chinchilla and light chinchilla whatever you want to call those genes) plus nonextension.
This is also a pure netherland dwarf from a show breeder who sold her as a pet because she didn't inherit much that looks ND. Asking a show judge she turned out to be DQ on multiple accounts from being shown as an ND. White toenail, too heavy, and bad conformation.
You could just simply have a badly bred dutch.
Making your own breed is a lot easier when you take pedigreed stock with the characteristics you want and combine it rather than picking up unknowns and trying to sort out the genetics in the process. There's a reason most people start with mildly inbred stock as their first breeding pair or trio. It gives a predictable result until you have the knowledge to buy more stock that improves on what you have. Otherwise if you start out crossing very unrelated lines you get everything under the sun and if you don't know what the breed should look like, produce, or act like then you can't choose what to show and breed. It's even more extreme when you take mutts and cross them. Fun genetic experiments but what's your plan for the large number of offspring it will take to breed back down to a predictable result? We couldn't hardly give purebred mini rex away here and there is not an overabundance of them. I drove out of state to get my chocolates, 2hrs one way to get a pair of broken blues, and 4hrs one way in to WI to get some more blues and blacks since they couldn't be found here. People just go to petstores to get pet rabbits and the major pet stores have contracts with major breeders that they can't break. Other pet stores actually charge you to take in the rabbits they are going to turn around and sell. If you don't have pedigreed rabbits to take to shows and sell to other breeders and people that want to show there is no market for them or a very small market you will fill by next year. Then what? It would be a good idea to experience with some purebred stock, maybe even work on a color that isn't approved yet, before trying to make a new breed. Then you need a plan for the offspring that can't be shown and also don't fit in to your next generation breeding plan as you progress your new breed.
She's just a crappy netherland dwarf but her color was cool. We finally sorted it out to be a marten and self chinchilla and sable (or dark chinchilla and light chinchilla whatever you want to call those genes) plus nonextension.
This is also a pure netherland dwarf from a show breeder who sold her as a pet because she didn't inherit much that looks ND. Asking a show judge she turned out to be DQ on multiple accounts from being shown as an ND. White toenail, too heavy, and bad conformation.
You could just simply have a badly bred dutch.
Making your own breed is a lot easier when you take pedigreed stock with the characteristics you want and combine it rather than picking up unknowns and trying to sort out the genetics in the process. There's a reason most people start with mildly inbred stock as their first breeding pair or trio. It gives a predictable result until you have the knowledge to buy more stock that improves on what you have. Otherwise if you start out crossing very unrelated lines you get everything under the sun and if you don't know what the breed should look like, produce, or act like then you can't choose what to show and breed. It's even more extreme when you take mutts and cross them. Fun genetic experiments but what's your plan for the large number of offspring it will take to breed back down to a predictable result? We couldn't hardly give purebred mini rex away here and there is not an overabundance of them. I drove out of state to get my chocolates, 2hrs one way to get a pair of broken blues, and 4hrs one way in to WI to get some more blues and blacks since they couldn't be found here. People just go to petstores to get pet rabbits and the major pet stores have contracts with major breeders that they can't break. Other pet stores actually charge you to take in the rabbits they are going to turn around and sell. If you don't have pedigreed rabbits to take to shows and sell to other breeders and people that want to show there is no market for them or a very small market you will fill by next year. Then what? It would be a good idea to experience with some purebred stock, maybe even work on a color that isn't approved yet, before trying to make a new breed. Then you need a plan for the offspring that can't be shown and also don't fit in to your next generation breeding plan as you progress your new breed.
