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Finally got to talk to the vet. She is so upset and there is more to the story than I heard from the people.

When the guy took the rabbit in to the vet, she said the rabbit was high strung, nervous and ready to fly off the table. (She told me she had trouble believing it was one of my rabbits! She's seen many of my bunnies and they've never behaved like that! This was a rabbit that, when I sold her, gave me kisses and loved to snuggle! She was very calm and very sweet to me.)

But she handled it and had the guy sign the papers for the surgery. But he refused to sign the page where he gave permission for IV's or extraordinary treatments and he signed a DNR!!!! I've never heard anyone doing that! He told her they'd only had her for two weeks and he hadn't gotten attached... whatever happened... happened. (Some attitude!). She got a very bad feeling from the guy... said he was detached and weird.

She said the surgery went pretty normal, and after the surgery, she seemed fine. Came out of the anesthesia pretty well. But all of a sudden, she pee'd a lot of blood. Dr. knew she was bleeding into the bladder. She didn't even call them back then, She went right back in to fix it. She found a tear in the edge of what remained of the uterus (above where she stitched it closed) and it was bleeding into the bladder. (Dr. didn't know how it tore, but said the uterus was fragile and it came out easy.) She had lost a lot of blood, but she fixed the tear and it looked good. But then she had to call the guy for permission to give her IV fluids and meds. While she was on the phone waiting for him,the rabbit seizured and died. (Probably from blood loss). Dr. was flipping out. She said she knew she could have saved her if she didn't have to delay. She said she went home crying that night. She's only lost 3 rabbits in all her years of practice. And she was upset cause she felt there was no reason this rabbit had to die. (Ihave no patienceforstupid people!)

Now the woman is the one that called me, allupset. The husband isn't as upset (or that's what I gather from the emails and conversations). But they want another bunny, they're worried about their buck being alone... and I'm having second thoughts about giving them another rabbit, but I already promised her aMini Rex doe.I just know theyare not getting another Flemish from me...

Their boy looked well fed, well cared for, clean and friendly... I saw photo's of the coop area's (in their own bedroom...). It all looked so normal. I'm really ticked off now.



edited to add: when the Dr was talking to the guy after the second surgery, she told the guy that Cassie was looking OK but she wanted to give her an IV. He said no, so the Dr said she was keeping her overnight for observation. She didn't know the rabbit passed away, until her assistant came and told her. So it was a third phone call to tell them the rabbit died.
 
Would it be wrong of you to tell the people you spoke to the vet? or was that a confidential conversation?


 
I don't know if the vet considered it confidential. But I told them I was going to talk to her.... I wanted to know what happened. But they never told me he signed a DNR.
 
I would tell them that under the circumstances, you feel that their decision to not sign the DNR and such, that you are concerned about any healthcare of a rabbit.

Then tell them to take a hike. :X
 
Wow, yeah...knowing all that, I wouldn't give them a single other bun. I find it weird that she underwent such a personality change, and that the guy didn't want them to resuscitate? That's bad...

I dunno...something strikes as off in this...:(
 
Well, I get one story form them and another from my vet. I've known Dr Balbour for almost 10 years. And I've never had cause to doubt her. I don't know these people at all... (except for an hour the guy spent here.)

I don't think I have any rabbits that are available to them.
 
Opps! I think more than one mod was on at the same time and we simultaneously deleted all the posts.

My apologies Becknutt:(

Pam
 
Here is Becknutt's post:

From: Becknutt
Date: 2008-03-02 11:28:41
Reply: http://www.rabbitsonline.net/reply.php?topic_id=33534

I've been thinking about this all night. Trying to see this from their side (as hard as it is) and the only reason I can come up with for him not to sign the extrordinary treatment thing would be financial concerns. :? Any number of things could have made the rabbit nervous, from going to a new home shortly before, then maybe a rough car ride, and being set up on a cold vets table. It's hard for any of us to tell you what to do in this situation. It could be that they are not horrible people...just a trajic accident.



The best thing I can say is, it's you who has to live each day with the decision you make and I know I would worry constantly wondering if I had done the right thing in giving them another rabbit. It may be best to tell them nicely that after speaking with the vet you don't feel comfortable with the situation and don't want to give them another. You have the vet to back you up now as to the reason she died, they should not be able to come after you for their money back either.[/code]
 
Personally, I believe that when the vet realized a surgical error had been made, she should have taken action to correct the error (at her own expense) without waiting for a phone response when she knew that timing was critical.

Our vet had to make that same decision with one of our cats - she opted for emergency surgery rather than waste time attempting to contact us via phone for our permission.

I wouldn't put the blame on the family. For those of us with children and struggling to pay bills, I think it is reasonable to be cautious of emergencyprocedures that could cost of $1,000 in vet bills. I believe dad was doing his best in trying to provide a pet for his family, and also go the extra mile to make sure the rabbit was spayed.

Things went wrong and this ended up to be a tragic situation for everyone involved. I recommend advising them to adopt a rabbit that has already been neutered, as I'm sure they have been traumatized by this tragedy and don't want to risk it again.



Pam
 
Thanks Pam. Thanks Becknutt... The vet didn't wait to do the second surgery. She didn't call them until after the second surgery, (and she it without fee. I don't think she charged them at all...)

I guess I'll try a Mini Rex doe with them. They don't want her spayed. It's just that a few things seemed so strange. I can understand trying to keep costs down. I'll try not to judge...
 
OK, They just left here. I gave them Athena, a 2 1/2 year old Broken Blue doe. Very sweet tempered and gentle. The lady was very happy and was hugging Athena, so I think I made her feel better. The guy isverystrange. Nuff said....

They invited me over to come see the bunny's room and see how she is doing in a couple weeks. I'll take them up on the offer. We agreed thatAthena doesn't have to be spayed. But if they get another Flemish, in the future, she will be spayed. I hope I've done the right thing.
 
I have a feeling the right hand doesn't know what the left hand is doing in that marriage - I think she would have done anything to save the doe. She sounds sweet. He sounds like an @ss
 
It's great that she's offered for you to come and visit. Once you see how they are kept by the wife it may help set your mind at ease.

(Fingers crossed: no triple post!)
 
Just got a phone call from the couple. They are SO happy with Athena. She is so friendly and calm around Buddha, they are very impressed. He seems very content now.

I'm invited over next week. We'll see....


 
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