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I feel like that sometimes, too, but right now I'm not really "supervising" them 100% of the time while they're out, I just try to spend some time with them because I love to. But they're really good while they're outside of their cage and roaming around their room anyways, thankfully. But it breaks my heart because Tucker throwing a temper tantrum just breaks me into a million pieces. I know that I don't want him to think he's the winner or anything, it wouldn't be good for the boys relationships.. thats why I am trying to quickly get a x-pen set up so I can split the room into two for both of them.. I feel like by the time I get the one I want it'll be time to start them to bond hahaa

I just wish I could kind of skip time!
 
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I don't like that they gave you the wrong towels, and they took out your sheets. My vet lost Phoebe's towel and gave me some nasty stained white one! GROSS! But I was like hey whatever I will bleach that son of a gun!
Poor angry little Tucker. Its for the best though.
 
Hi guys! It's Tucker hereeee!! *nom nom nom* sorry I'm just eating some hay... 'cuse me? WHAT DID YOU SAY? ... Mum just told me I need to share with this other hairy monster.. she calls him "GusGus" and I'm REALLY not sure what I think of him just yet!! Wanna see something cute...? Get ready for it...

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NOT!!! ...
No seriously..
HERE is something cute... readyyy??
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Mum's been taking me outside and I'm really not sure what to make of it... what do you guys think of outside? A couple of days ago when she took me out, the sun was so warm... at first I was a little nervous, but then I decided Mum would protect me from anything baddddd.. I live wiff two dogs, so I know there are evil things out there -- THEY tell us all the time!!! ARF ARF!!!! I just wanted to snuggle & cuddle up to her, and she told me everything was okay, sometime's that's all we need to hear. >:B Anyhooo, she took me out again the other day, and I LOVED it... Mum sat with me in my pen incase I needed her, but I decided she needed me more, so I'd go reassure her that I'm jussss fine. I'd give her a little snug & then I'd go check out the greeen stuff.. there's SO much of it. & GUESS WHAT? She didn't even take that other monster out with us!!

Mum said it was the perfect weather for some 'sun-bathin' so... I washed myself. lots.

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& washed myself sum moreee.

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I'm juss the cutest aren't I? :B

Anywayz... Mum said I need to broaden my horizons.. what does that mean? She's been giving me some more green stuff and asking me to try things.. summmmtimes I'll nibble a little, but I really just want KALE & that's about it. I hate parsley.. I used to wuvvvv it, but then mumma introduced me to the yummy kale and now I can't get enough!! OH & arugula... mum said she needs to start eating like me *nom nom nom*

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I'm learnin' to like the new guy, I juss can't seem to undastand why I have to be in my cage all da time.. I mean I still get to roam around ferrr a few hrs, but it's not da same!!! Ever since that new guy came!! >.< Makes me sooo mad, I just have to poop all over the place now.. jusss so he knows that this is MYYYY room! and MYYYY world, and right now I don't wanna invite him in!!! Mum said I won't be lonely anymore.. BUT WHO SAYS I WAS LONELY TO BEGIN WIFF?!!
Now I just wanna reorganize my cage all da time... infact I'm gunna go do it right now!!

I laid down with GusGus yesterday though, Mum wanted to share this picture.. she thinks its a good 'sign'
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Ohhhhh pooooor Tucker!!!!! But that seriously just made me laugh!!!! Tucker, you need to chillax because your mommy loves you and she just wants you to have a friend to share your wonderful life with. Don't you ever get tired of nomming all alone while mommy's at work? Yeah that's what I thought! And you need to lay off the kale some, we don't want you getting bladder sludge! Doesn't that sound painful? I wouldn't like that at all. Outside is a wonderous place, it really grows on you! As long as mommy's out there with you to protect you (not that you cant protect yourself, I mean, youre a lion! You can kick butt!) from harm and as long as theres no fire ants!!!!! Beware of those guys!!!! And watch what plant life you eat!!! Just bc its edible doesn't mean its good for ya! Now you be a good boy and make friends with GUSGUS!!!! Pretend like hes a fat little mouse with a shirt on hehehehehehe!

PS Danielle, I hear Disney is re-making Cinderella next year... :| I don't know what to think of that.
 
Alright so I went and visited my friend today who has a bunny and she had an extra pen... So I could split the bun room into two now. I am gunna borrow her pen until my other things come in this week... So I left tucker out tonight to see if he escapes... My biggest concern is having them escape and fight with one another. We will see. Ill post a pic... Turns out by the way... My pen actually comes apart after all! Ugh lol!! Okay so it won't let me post a pic from my phone but ill keep you guys updated I hope when I wake up Tucker is still in his side! Lol!!

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So, something I wasn't expecting AT ALL.... like AT ALL.. happened... when I woke up around 6:15 to pee I heard some noise in the bunny room, and thought I better check it out because I knew Tucker could've easily figured out how to get over the fence, since he's a little houdini.... but seriously, I have TWO houdini's in my house. Not only did Tucker get over the pen, but GusGus got out of his cage!! Like WHAT?! So needless to say, when I came in.. Tucker was being humped by GusGus... and when I broke them apart, Tucker ran right back up to GusGus and started humping him... in the face. I honestly think that it was just all dominance, and they definitely weren't being VIOLENT... I didn't see any violent acts or anything; I was asking on the bunny page if I should just let them work it out or not, what do you guys think? I'm gunna let them hang again tonight (short & sweet) and record it.. so be ready for some bunny porn. d:

Advice?

Edit: I read somewhere that if they're humping for dominance then their penis' wouldn't be out? When Tucker was humping him and I picked him up.. his penis WAS out, so maybe it's just the hormones.
 
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????? I would like to hear others advice on that too. That's so crazy they both escaped!!! And then they were humping, good thing no fighting though! :)
 
Maybe Tucker jumped over the enclosure or climbed it. I don't know what kind of cage Gus has but maybe he pushed through the door because it wasn't latched properly or something.
Ellie has pushed her cage door open several times and escaped because I never put a real lock on it. haha. But I put her feed tin in front of the door and it stops her from pushing it.
 
Some rabbits are little escape artists :) It seems like the really smart ones are the most prone to getting into trouble.

It can take 4-8 weeks after a neuter/spay, for hormones to be completely gone, so that would be the reason for the humping, and not a display of dominance. It's only been about a week since their neuters hasn't it? It might be best to wait on bonding attempts, til the hormones have gone down quite a bit more. If you put them in too soon together, continual humping attempts may start to aggravate one of the buns and will make future bonding attempts more difficult, or even cause all out fights, which could end up causing serious injuries. Best to just wait and let them keep getting used to each other while in their separate pens/cages.
 
Just been catching up with Tucker and GusGus, they are both so adorable. I did laugh at them both escaping and Tucker humping Gus...bet he wasn´t impressed. Tucker is such a fluff ball and GusGus has such a lovely little face. I´m sure that they will become the best of friends.

Loved reading you´d found Luigi again and that you´re going to keep him, he is just such a sweetie and I´m sure he´ll be so happy in his new home.

Just give them time after the neuter and there are lots of people on here who will give you great advice on bonding when the time comes.
 
So, when I first got Tucker I had a pen around his cage, and he kept escaping... so I then gave him the whole room because there was no reason not to let him. & he did so well in it anyways! No pee ever anywhere! He does SOO good, I've always been so proud of him. I think the way he was getting out of the pen was climbing ontop of things and then hopping out. It was easy for him to move things to the pen itself because he didn't have any traction - it was just hardwood floors. SO... when I decided Friday night to split the room into two with the pen that my friend let me borrow (until my interlocking cubes come in) I put his igloo next to the pen to see if he'd get over... & of course he did. With GusGus's cage.. his doors were locked completely. I didn't mislatch them or anything, there was no way for him to get out, or so I thought, but then I noticed that somehow one of the metal bars on the side had deattached, so it was just hanging there, so he could totally just squeeze his butt out.. I still think that it's strange because he has a huge body!! BUT, I guess anything is possible. Who would've thought? I mean I left Tucker out because I had assumed he WOULD get over, but I wanted to test it out, so to say.

Well, whatever, they're both fine, and it's totally hormonal. I obviously wasn't TRYING to get them to bond, but I have to admit when I saw there was no fighting I got excited and was a little anxious to get them to bond NOW, but you all are SO right, I am going to wait 4 more weeks.. that'll make 5 weeks total since their surgeries. I'm just so anxious.. but with the pen seperating them it'll make me feel better and it'll make it a lot easier on me. It is hard when I have to do seperate play times, but if they have the run of half the room it'll be great.

I do have a couple of questions for all of you out there for NOW though, do I start switching their cages/sides now? just go back and forth? & when I switch their litterboxes, should it be cleaned out all the way or can their be some of the other bunnies business in there still? I was thinking of switching their sides tomorrow, letting Tucker go in GusGus's cage area and vice versa. What do you guys think of that?

I am SO glad, Chris, that Luigi was found! Also that he didn't have any health issues going on after being found. He is a little thinner than he was before, but that is totally understandable.. and I can't wait to get him here so I can spoil him. I already bought him his own little dish, though I'm sure he'll share nicely. :)

Also, when I first walked in GUS was humping TUCKER... it scared me b/c Tucker is SO small I feel like compared to Gus.. haha, but then when I put Tucker down after seperating them he ran right after Gus and started humping Gus... I put them together that night for a minute just to see and it was basically the same thing, but I got too nervous because Tucker was like humping Gus' face and I was afraid he'd bite his peepee off. :\ I read those stories, and I don't want to experience THAT! So, as you all said, that's the end of that!

Though, should I be encouraged that there was no fighting?
 
No fighting is always encouraging in a pair you intend to bond. I have rabbits that won't even bother with humping and are out for the kill. Obviously those rabbits are never let near each other. So it IS good that they didn't just want to kill each other when together. You may not need to wait 4 more weeks, it just depends on how fast the hormones start to fade. I think you may be able to try a little mini date in a couple weeks, to see how they do and if the hormones have gone down enough. I think you can start with switching personal objects before you try again in a couple weeks. Start with switching feed bowls, toys, then you can work up to switching litter boxes, and eventually you switch cages.
 
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Thank you Jenny, what about like it being completely clean? Does the litter box have to be completely clean when you switch them? I thought I should just have them start switching their play places now so they don't get territorial over it.. ? You're saying I should wait a little bit before I start switching things? It's also encouraging to hear you say that I may not have to wait THAT long, I just want to be so positive that nothing bad is going to happen.. I have seen good things and bad things, of course.. but I'm still so new to this.
 
I started a new blog, so I can include Gus, too.. please follow me there :) "A Lion and a Lop.. Tucker&GusGus" Thanks!! :D We can continue there! xoxo
 
Well, it's already been about a week and half since their neuters hasn't it? So waiting a couple weeks would put you close to the 4 weeks that it sometimes takes for the hormones to fade. It can take longer, but doesn't usually seem to take longer than the minimum 4 weeks.

I'm not as well versed on the technicalities of bonding as Lisa is, so hopefully she'll chime in. I've been lucky with pretty much being able to put my rabbits together and them being pretty ok. And I know enough about signs of aggitation and aggression in rabbits, that there are some that I won't even chance trying to bond or put together to play. Then if a rabbits behavior seems ok towards another rabbit, sometimes you just have to take a chance, and just hope there isn't an all out fight. I have several rabbits and I let them have playtime outside. Because I have so many, it makes it easier to let them play in groups, but I have to carefully pick who gets to play with who, and not all of them are neutered/spayed yet, so some boys and girls can't play together, for obvious reasons. Anyways, I got this girl bun and she was pregnant when I got her, and she had some babies. I still have most of the babies, and they are all grown up now. Well the momma bun hadn't been around the babies since I weaned them, but I wanted to be able to let her, one of her girl babies, and another girl bun, out to play together. The two girls are best of buddies, but the momma when inside playing by herself, had shown signs of aggression. So I wasn't sure I would be able to let them out to play together. So I let them see each other through a gate and they seemed ok, so I let them out together, and I was literally hovering over the momma bun with gloved hands ready to grab her up if she seemed aggressive at all. I watched for pinned ears, raised tail, but she didn't do any of that. They all just hopped around exploring and playing. But you do have to be very careful with introducing altered rabbits, and even more careful with unaltered rabbits, and just know the signs of aggression, and be ready to intervene immediately. But once you've set it up for success, like switching stuff so they get used to each others scent, then you just have to take that big step and have that first date. I don't think the litter boxes have to be completely clean. You're just trying to get them more used to being around each others scent. But you want to start with small things like food dishes and toys first. No, you don't need to wait, you can start switching those things now, then maybe after several days you could switch litter boxes. And switching play areas should be ok.
 

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