Post from 11-16-08
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The Infirmary > Snowy's in the hospital getting stitches....
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From: mouse_chalk
Date: 2008-11-16 10:30:16
I woke up this morning to a noise from downstairs. Not sure what it was, but it woke me up. I heard the water bowl tipping over for sure. I was going to leave it, but then something told me to get up and check.
I go downstairs, the water has been tipped everywhere, Snowy is soaking wet, and her ear is torn :?
At first I panicked because there looked to be a lot of blood but I think that just made it look worse. We called the vet straightaway and took her down there. They have her there now, she's being stitched up under GA
It's roughly about 1cm long, in the side of her ear? Maybe 1.5cm... He did say originally that she would be done at 12, and ready to go home at about 2ish, but they had a lot of emergencies in apparently and she didn't go in until about 2pm... We're waiting for the call now! :?
I have NO idea what happened either. Mouse was also a bit wet, but I don't know if maybe she walked through the big puddle just after, or if she was nearby? I thought fight but there were no obvious signs of a scuffle, and all buns were very friendly with each other this morning, although a bit skittish I guess due to Snowy's injury.... :? I checked the cage and the only thing I could see is that they had a big willow ring that has been eaten away, and has a sort of solid middle to it, but bits of willow were sticking out. I don't know if that would have done it or not.... I also found one cable tie near the area that was turned into the cage (I turn them out usually) and a bit sharp, although there was no blood on it or anything?
Steve had a theory that maybe a cat or something in the garden scared her and she scrabbled, knocked the water over and somehow hurt her self on the toy, etc, but I just don't know. I guess a fight is the easiest way to explain it but there was no blood on anybun's paws etc and it just seems unlikely with how cuddly they normally are? :?
Anyway, we're waiting for the call to say that she's ok and we can go pick her up..... I feel terrible for my poor Snowy. What a horrible shock for her
:tears2:
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From: angieluv
Date: 2008-11-16 10:41:35
Geez Jen
You just can't catch a break
Anything you named might have caused it....probably a fight though
I did have a willow basket for Willow and when she would start to shred it it would have such sharp spikes on it that I would have to take parts of it out . I was afraid of her eyes.
I'm sure that Snowy will be alright
let us know
good that this didn't happen when you were on the Golden gate bridge
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From: Luvmyzoocrew
Date: 2008-11-16 10:42:58
oh no!!!!!!!! hope you are able to figure it out, that has to be nerve racking , not knowing exactly. Hope snowy gets home soon
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From: JadeIcing
Date: 2008-11-16 10:48:36
She will be home and just fine soon.
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From: mouse_chalk
Date: 2008-11-16 10:49:49
Thanks guys!
No, I really can't catch a break can I?! I wonder what the vets must think of us being up there every week almost recently!
Still waiting for the call... :waiting:
I hope it wasn't a fight.... it just seems so unlike them! :? I hope I don't have to separate them
.... Mouse being wet as well is a possible culprit but she is never ever aggressive or anything! And her and Snowy were grooming each other at breakfast (I made sure she didn't go near the ear)
Regardless... definately wont be leaving willow toys in there overnight anymore! :?
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From: MissBinky
Date: 2008-11-16 11:32:56
Seriously Jen, how many mirrors did ya break to have this kind of bad luck? :? I'm really sorry to hear about your troubles :? I guess the only way you will know is when you get Snowy back home. If she shows any nervousness around the buns then it'll have been a scuffle.
Big hugs to you :hug:
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From: mouse_chalk
Date: 2008-11-16 11:43:38
STILL no call!
It's 4.45pm here now...
Thanks Sophie
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From: Luvmyzoocrew
Date: 2008-11-16 11:54:32
i would call them :biggrin2:
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From: JadeIcing
Date: 2008-11-16 11:58:32
Luvmyzoocrew wrote:
i would call them :biggrin2:
What she said!
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From: Flashy
Date: 2008-11-16 12:00:19
It's possible Mouse's recent upset has upset the apple cart. Another possibility is that Snowy is ill and because buns pick up these things before us somebun might have known. I'm only saying that because it might be something to look out for.
I had a quad and they were very settled and happy and then divorced when one got ill so it can happen and it can be nasty.
I hope she is ok though.
And don'tr worry what the vets think, they will think you are a good owner. I go to the vets most weeks. It'd been pretty much every week since July with something or other, and for the next three weeks or so I have to go at least 8 times. Just buy your vet a bottle of wine or something at Christmas
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From: mouse_chalk
Date: 2008-11-16 12:02:11
Luvmyzoocrew wrote:
i would call them :biggrin2:
We are... if they don't call within the next 10mins....
The only reason we wanted to wait is that it was very much an attitude of 'don't call us, we'll call you!'..... :?
I guess if they do have a lot of emergencies- they're only open for emergencies today- then it can't be helped, and the vet there today I think is on his own. He's very good though- not met him before but he seems to love rabbits, and said we were very good vigilant owners, keeping such a close eye on them and getting Snowy down there so quickly. He went on a rant about people keeping rabbits in hutches and not taking care of them properly, buying them as pets for young children and then forgetting about them and how angry it made him lol! And how he so often sees bunnies with teeth so bad they have overgrown and curled over
So he does care about buns lol...
But MAN I just want to know how my baby Snowy is doing!!
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From: JadeIcing
Date: 2008-11-16 12:04:51
mouse_chalk wrote:
He went on a rant about people keeping rabbits in hutches and not taking care of them properly, buying them as pets for young children and then forgetting about them and how angry it made him lol! And how he so often sees bunnies with teeth so bad they have overgrown and curled over
So he does care about buns lol...
I like him!
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From: mouse_chalk
Date: 2008-11-16 12:07:47
Flashy wrote:
It's possible Mouse's recent upset has upset the apple cart. Another possibility is that Snowy is ill and because buns pick up these things before us somebun might have known. I'm only saying that because it might be something to look out for.
I had a quad and they were very settled and happy and then divorced when one got ill so it can happen and it can be nasty.
I hope she is ok though.
And don'tr worry what the vets think, they will think you are a good owner. I go to the vets most weeks. It'd been pretty much every week since July with something or other, and for the next three weeks or so I have to go at least 8 times. Just buy your vet a bottle of wine or something at Christmas
Do you mean Chalk, with her op? Not Mouse? I can't recall Mouse being sick lol! :shock:
Snowy seems fine health wise, but we'll definately be keeping a very close eye on her from now... I asked them to clip her nails while she was under too as she hates, hates getting them done- we did the same with Chalk the other week lol :?
And lol, we seem to see a different vet each time mostly so that would be a lot of bottles of wine... and at this rate with all this stress I want to drink them all myself! :biggrin2:
What happened with your quad in the end? Did they get back together? I sincerely hope my quad isn't broken up.... I guess all I can do is watch them carefully... :?
Thank you!
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From: mouse_chalk
Date: 2008-11-16 12:08:36
JadeIcing wrote:
mouse_chalk wrote: He went on a rant about people keeping rabbits in hutches and not taking care of them properly, buying them as pets for young children and then forgetting about them and how angry it made him lol! And how he so often sees bunnies with teeth so bad they have overgrown and curled over
So he does care about buns lol...
I like him!
Me too lol, usually its me saying that to the vets instead of the other way around
I said how they were part of the family and he said 'and so they should be!'
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From: Flashy
Date: 2008-11-16 12:12:24
Sorry yes, Chalk's illness may have upset the apple cart.
Dopey also appeared healthy until a short while after when it became clear she was struggling. All she had was spurs but Candyfloss had sensed a weakness.
My quad are now disbanded permanently. I haven't tried to put them back together though because the day they fought was awful, and I have plenty of other bunny bonding options.
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From: mouse_chalk
Date: 2008-11-16 12:45:17
We called in the end.
Seems they've been overrun with a big emergency all day.... and Snowy didn't get stitched until 3.30!!! :X
She's awake now, and doing fine, although still groggy.... They said we should be able to pick her up in about an hour or so when she's more awake and 'with it'.... So she'll be home just in time for dinner! I hope she wants to eat.... :?
Flashy, Snowy has had spurs! Just slight ones, they were burred (is that the right word?) in July I think... and she's been fine since then.... I wonder if they could be a problem again...
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From: Bo B Bunny
Date: 2008-11-16 13:31:38
They are in the cage at night right?
Do you have any plastic toys hooked up top or hay racks or anything? Could she have gotten her ear under a sharp toenail and stood up? When feeling the cut, hit the water?
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From: NZminilops
Date: 2008-11-16 13:51:02
I would say another bun bit her ear, just my guess, it does seem very common for lop eared rabbits to get bitten on them. Two of my buns in the past did, that had loppy ears, BunBun and Bailey, and it's normally around a cm long cut or tear on the side of the ear.
My MIL's rabbit Buddy has one in each ear from her other rabbit, Sam, Buddy has floppy ears and Sam doesn't and Sams ears are fine.
Poor little Snowy
, I hope she feels ok soon!
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From: JimD
Date: 2008-11-16 13:57:26
ray:
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From: JadeIcing
Date: 2008-11-16 14:14:11
She is on her way to get Snowy.
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From: Bo B Bunny
Date: 2008-11-16 14:24:43
That poor thing. Bunny and Jen. They've had a rough go lately.
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From: LuvaBun
Date: 2008-11-16 15:02:05
Oh Jen, I can't believe your bad luck
How is Snowy? Are you putting them all together again?
thinking of you all
Jan
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From: mouse_chalk
Date: 2008-11-16 15:08:33
Pennie, for some reason that just bought tears to my eyes lol! I don't know why... :?
She's home now
Very sleepy. Her poor ear is a mess, since they had to shave it, and she's got a bit of blood staining still. Her other ear is wet too, not sure why! It's not that big a wound, and it's stitched up well it looks...
Not eaten yet, although I did hold out a piece of dried banana just to see what she'd do and she took it from my hand, and just kind of sat there with it in her mouth, but not eating, looking at me! Poor girly. I've left her in the carrier still with the door open, with the banana and some parsley. In a bit when she wakes up a bit we'll try her with some more veg etc and see how she does.
I've not let the others out yet- I figured give her chance to come round and wake up a bit first before we try that. And I'm still in 2 minds over whether to get some grids in from the garden pen and make her own little pen for the night, I guess I'll see what happens later...
Got a couple of pics of the ear uploading now- not the best but I didn't want to stress her out too much...
Poor Snowy!
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From: mouse_chalk
Date: 2008-11-16 15:17:19
Bo B Bunny wrote:
They are in the cage at night right?
Do you have any plastic toys hooked up top or hay racks or anything? Could she have gotten her ear under a sharp toenail and stood up? When feeling the cut, hit the water?
Yep, in the cage all night....
We do have one hanging garland thingy, but it clips on, sort of like a keyring clip? Its not sharp that I can see :? They hay racks are upstairs in their cage and are cable tied from the outside- just black wire ones...
The toenail thing is a possible. Mouse has sharpish toenails (getting them snipped this week), so I suppose it's possible if they were cuddling, or something... :?
I guess I'll just never know! It would be so out of the ordinary for them to have a fight at all.... they just get on so well together :?
Jan, I don't know what to do about putting them back together! I really, really don't want to split them up if possible, as I know it will stress them out.... I guess I'll just have to see what happens later :?
Thanks for all the good vibes guys! I really appreciate it
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From: mouse_chalk
Date: 2008-11-16 15:26:35
Here are a couple of pics.... the ear is hard to see since it's from the front- it goes sort of sideways back into the ear, but I don't think it's more than 1-1.5cm wide at the most...
http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk87/snowbarn84/Random/IMG_7806.jpg
http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk87/snowbarn84/Random/IMG_7810.jpg
With the dried banana:
http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk87/snowbarn84/Random/IMG_7811.jpg
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From: Flashy
Date: 2008-11-16 15:35:28
Poor little girl.
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From: LuvaBun
Date: 2008-11-16 15:40:57
Aww, Bless her little heart. She looks so pathetic
I think once she wakes up a bit, she'll feel better, and hopefully start eating.
I think it might be a good idea to use the garden grids, even if they do seem to get along. They may start licking her ear and disturb the stitches. Could the grids be used next to the cage, so they are together, but not able to get at each other?
Jan
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From: mouse_chalk
Date: 2008-11-16 16:02:44
She's eating!!!!!!
Ate loads of carrot tops, some kale, and some apple
I'm in the kitchen cooking my own dinner now, but Steve's sat watching her. She seems groggy still, but definately waking up slowly....
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From: Luvmyzoocrew
Date: 2008-11-16 16:55:46
ouch poor baby!!!!!!!! glad to hear that at least she is eating that is a good sign
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From: mouse_chalk
She's gotten up out of the carrier and hopped around some. She left a huge pile of nice big poops in the carrier :biggrin2:
I opened the cage, and the others came out to see her/she went to see them. They've been absolutely fine- rubbing noses with her, and Chalk and Mouse both kissed her head.
Not been anywhere the ear...
She's currently having a nap in the corner of the cage. We'll keep an eye on her and see how she goes the next couple of hours....
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From: Bo B Bunny
Date: 2008-11-16 18:03:44
That POOR BABY! Jen, I just feel so bad that you've had so much lately! :hug:
BTW, my cat Tank, has a cut similar to that and he did it to himself with a toenail. His wasn't sewn and didn't bleed really badly but he has like a little place in his ear still from it.
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From: PepnFluff
Date: 2008-11-16 18:31:02
Aww poor you and Snowy, hope it heels nice and quickly
Sounds like your onto a winner with that vet!
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From: Elf Mommy
Date: 2008-11-16 20:14:37
I'm glad that you were there and able to take care of it so quickly!
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From: JimD
Date: 2008-11-16 21:07:41
Just finished with chores.:sweep
How's she doing? :?
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Post from 11-17-08
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The Infirmary > Snowy's in the hospital getting stitches....
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From: mouse_chalk
Date: 2008-11-17 06:17:26
She's doing fine still! We put her in her own pen last night, right next to the cage, and she's been eating, pooping and everything just great
I was so worried about that, since Chalk always takes ages to eat anything, although I guess her operations were a lot more serious.
I've unfolded the pen and opened the big cage, so she could see the others, but she seems to just want to sit on her own. She's lying in the corner of the cage, sleeping, but if anyone goes near her, she sort of chases them away :? Not in a violent chase, just sort of lifts her head up, moves towards them and whichever bun runs away
I'm not sure entirely what that means... I'm hoping it's just because she's still grouchy from the aneasthetic still, but I'm watching very closely nevertheless. Steve's out at a meeting about a possible big job (fingers crossed) at the moment, but when he gets back early afternoon I may get him to help me try a session in neutral territory with them and see how they go....
Right now I'm half asleep- can't seem to be able to get over this jetlag- feels like the middle of the night to me! And I'm sat on the sofa watching them all...
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From: mouse_chalk
Date: 2008-11-17 09:15:58
Mouse and Chalk started scuffling with Snowy...
I just had to separate the cage- Barney and Snowy in one half, Mouse and Chalk on the other.
They don't seem to understand- Barney is sat by the middle with his nose against the grids
I don't know what's happened to my bunnies.... We're just heartbroken..... I'm crying and Steve's crying
I hope it's only temporary, but I don't know...
:bigtears:
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From: Bo B Bunny
Date: 2008-11-17 11:15:19
I'm sorry they are having trouble. Give it time, let her heal, and then maybe they can all go back together again.
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From: LuvaBun
Date: 2008-11-17 13:14:30
Oh no, I wasn't expecting this
Perhaps (hopefully) it's because Snowy is still feeling óff' after her vet trip, and just wants to be on her own to feel normal again. Maybe she still smells of 'vet' and it's putting the others off.
try not to be too disheartened yet (easier said than done, I know). Give them time in their separate areas. Is Barney still with Snowy? How is he reacting to her, and her to him?
Keeping positive thoughts coming your way
Jan
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From: angieluv
Date: 2008-11-17 13:29:34
Snowy probably doesn't feel well...
I think they will get over this
When Daisy was spayed and brought back from the vet her mate Penn was very mean to her ..you could just see him smelling her and then he would nip her in the butt. She smelled different.
I think I put a scent on both of them (vanilla extract) to dsiguise the hospital smell but I really don't know if it helped as he got over it eventually.
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From: mouse_chalk
Date: 2008-11-17 15:10:06
Thanks you guys...
Barney is in with Snowy. He's being fine with her, although not as close as normal. This makes me think that maybe it is down to her hospital visit and her smelling different? Although that doesn't explain the possible (that now seems very likely) fight yesterday- why would they just fight out of the blue?
Barney is very confused- he's biting at the divider, I don't think he understands why this morning he had 3 girlfriends and now he can only get to one of them
Maureen, vanilla extract you say? Like the sort of stuff you use in cooking? I wonder if that's worth a try.... I didn't do the bonding session this afternoon, due to having to divide the cage instead, but I may try tomorrow. I'm definately not giving up on my quad yet....
Steve just put the dinner down- 2 bowls in 2 separate cages, and no bunnies doing the dinner dance round in circles....
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From: Flashy
Date: 2008-11-17 15:13:02
Yeah, vanilla essence works (just the cooking stuff). Maybe also try a car journey because they can work well/ Just wait until she feels better though, and you're probably going to have to go back to real basics with the bonding, but don't panic yet.
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From: mouse_chalk
Date: 2008-11-17 15:32:29
Flashy wrote:
Yeah, vanilla essence works (just the cooking stuff). Maybe also try a car journey because they can work well/ Just wait until she feels better though, and you're probably going to have to go back to real basics with the bonding, but don't panic yet.
Thank you!! Yeah I will definately make sure she's up to it first... I'm pretty sure I have some vanilla extract somewhere....
A car journey is a good idea.... Although I'm not sure our carrier is big enough for 4 buns lol! Or do you think I should just take Snowy, Mouse and Chalk? I think it would take 3.... but 2 bunnies the size of Barney and Snowy along with the 2 lil girls is probably asking too much of that carrier lol...
Throughout all this though, the strangest thing. Chalk has been doing the most MASSIVE binkies ever. Literally feet into the air, all over the place! In fact, that was the cause of a scuffle earlier- she did a binky over Snowy's head, which scared poor Snowy, who then went for her, probably out of confusion and fear, bless her.... But she just seems to want to binky all day today! :?
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From: Flashy
Date: 2008-11-17 16:38:32
Maybe Chalk is finally feeling better? (I got the right bun right?) and because of Snowy's vision problems that caused the issue yesterday morning? I'm just speculating.
When I did my quad in the car we didn't use a carry case, but used a storage box instead, worked really well. When I do a quin, I will be using the same box.
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From: kherrmann3
Date: 2008-11-17 20:53:44
Welcome back from vacation! lol
I hope your Snowy does better (and your quad!). Healin' vibes sent your way! :biggrin2:
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From: BSAR
Date: 2008-11-17 22:11:32
I am sorry to hear about your bunny issues. I hope you can get them settled so Barney and the others can be happy again.
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