Really need advice.

Rabbits Online Forum

Help Support Rabbits Online Forum:

This site may earn a commission from merchant affiliate links, including eBay, Amazon, and others.

sandy-sas

Member
Joined
Dec 27, 2013
Messages
6
Reaction score
0
Location
NULL
I have an 11 year old female Dutch rabbit named Penelope. Until about a month ago she was racing around like normal. One day I noticed she was running over for her treat but not eating it all and she NEVER does that. I watched her over the next few weeks and she would seem okay for a few days then not. I decided I'd better take her in. The vet said he could see spurs on her molars and one of her front bottom teeth had cracked and left a sharp point. So, her said she she wasn't eating or drinking as much as she should be he'd put her under and trim everything up. While he was examining her her heel started to bleed which shocked me. I guess buried beneath her fur was a scab and somehow during out trip to the vet it came off. Under was a fairly significant open cut. I have dealt with rabbits for 30 years and never seen anything like that. I can't even imagine what happened. Anyway he decided while she was under to put three stitches in it which kind of surprised me but it's healing nice anyway.

So, after she got home she nibbled a bit of food and seemed okay for having been under. The next day all things went to hell. She hasn't eaten anything other than a sprig or two of cilantro since the 17th. I have been syringe feeding her and giving her sub q fluids every day. I didn't want to give to much fluid because I noticed she was absorbing it. It was pooling in her legs and under her chest area. But she's not drinking at all. Then a couple of days ago I notice her breathing is labored. Any time she exerts herself at all she breathes quite heavy. I'm in an area where rabbits are considered livestock so it's almost impossible to find a rabbit savvy vet. I took her in today and they put her in an oxygen chamber. The vet couldn't get blood after 5 times of trying. They did take an xray which she said her heart didn't look enlarged but it looks like she does have something going on in her lungs. BUT she could tell if it was pneumonia a tumor, fluid???? I'm frustrated to death by this. So she's put her on Baytril. She said she didn't want to do more that a tiny bit of lasix because her kidney values were a bit high BUN is 16.8 mmol/L CRE is 207 umo/L She said to keep giving fluids because she's dehydrated, but if she isn't absorbing it and it's pooling in her lungs won't that make it worse? However she needs fluids????? I'm really frustrated. I'm wondering if anyone her might be able to have a look at the xray and see something? I have her back at home because they couldn't really do anything more they said. I'm really worried this won't end well.

x1.jpg

x2.jpg

x3.jpg
 
:pray:

You've got far more rabbit experience than I do, so there's really not much I can offer in the way of advice. The only thing I can think of is perhaps trying to syringe unflavored pedialyte (the only kind that doesn't have artificial sweetener in it) if the sub-q fluids seem to hurt more than help. It'd be a slow process to combat dehydration if she doesn't want it, since liquids obviously run out of their mouths more easily than slurry-type foods but if you're persistent enough, you can get a decent amount into her. I can tell you from experience that it'll be a godawful mess - they end up swallowing a little bit with each sideways squirt, but most of it ends up spit out; I was beyond thankful that I had the foresight to have a towel loosely wrapped around the bunny being syringe-watered. You could also use unflavored pedialyte instead of water when you mix up Critical Care or whatever it is you've been syringe-feeding and water it down slightly (vs. mixing it as instructed).

I'm so sorry she's going through so much - poor girl! I wish I knew something that could help her or had some insight into the x-rays, but unfortunately I'm at a loss :(

My bunnies and I will be keeping her in our thoughts and hoping with all our hearts that she pulls through!
 
Is it possible for you to look into consulting with a rabbit savy vet outside your area or have your vet consult with one? Maybe by phone and by emailing the x-rays?
 
Is it possible for you to look into consulting with a rabbit savy vet outside your area or have your vet consult with one? Maybe by phone and by emailing the x-rays?

I second this. A specialist is really needed to better determine what is going on.

If the sub q fluids are causing issues, have you tried giving it orally, or was she still getting dehydrated with oral fluids? Also, is she getting anything for pain relief? A rabbit in pain usually won't eat.
 
The vet that treated her is trying to contact someone who can help more with this. She was on Metacam but the vet wanted her off because of the kidney values being a bit high. She gets Buprenorph now. The vet called back to tell me she spoke with an internal medicine specialist and she said I need to cut back on the fluids since she's not absorbing it. That scares me because she's not drinking and if her kidneys aren't functioning well she should get more fluids not less. But she thinks that might be pooling around her lungs. Ughhhh this is stressful. I've given fluids to rabbits for years and never had this happened so I'm at a loss. It's a catch 22 if I don't give her fluids she'll become dehydrated and if I do, she's not going to absorb them and that may cause her lungs to full up. She should get around 120 mls over a 24 hour period and right now I'm only giving her 30 mls which to me is just not enough considering she's not drinking at all.
 
Could you just mix in some extra water into her syringe feedings? The other alternative would be to take her to a vet that can keep her at the clinic and administer IV fluids. I don't know if this is something your current vet is able to do or not.
 
The vet that treated her is trying to contact someone who can help more with this. She was on Metacam but the vet wanted her off because of the kidney values being a bit high. She gets Buprenorph now. The vet called back to tell me she spoke with an internal medicine specialist and she said I need to cut back on the fluids since she's not absorbing it. That scares me because she's not drinking and if her kidneys aren't functioning well she should get more fluids not less. But she thinks that might be pooling around her lungs. Ughhhh this is stressful. I've given fluids to rabbits for years and never had this happened so I'm at a loss. It's a catch 22 if I don't give her fluids she'll become dehydrated and if I do, she's not going to absorb them and that may cause her lungs to full up. She should get around 120 mls over a 24 hour period and right now I'm only giving her 30 mls which to me is just not enough considering she's not drinking at all.

Can they put her on an IV? Would that help? I wish I knew more about that area where you are having the medical issue with your bunny, but I don't.
How soon can you get her to a vet that has a good background with rabbits?
Or is there any 'Exotic' vet's near?

I have your bun in my prayers and I hope she starts to improve..
you and her will be in my thoughts..

Vanessa
 
I asked her to do that today and she said she wasn't able to get a blood sample after 5 tries so she said she didn't think she would be able to get a line in her. I was SO frustrated by all this. I asked her if she tried getting the blood sample from the neck and she said she wasn't experienced enough with rabbits. It's getting harder and harder to force feed her. In the beginning I had no problem now she's having a hard time breathing. If I make the pellet slurry watery she lets it run out of her mouth. Right now I'm praying that it's something that Baytril will help. She gets her second dose tonight so I'm hoping that will do something.
 
I don't really have any advice, I just wanted to let you know that Stache and I are sending some get well vibes and hugs. Praying that she gets better soon.
 
If you're looking for a potential consult, you might try contacting Dr. Dana Krempels - she's got a PhD in Biology, 35 years of experience with "companion rabbits" (as she puts it) and answers rabbit questions for free through the All Experts website. I vetted her qualifications for myself after hearing about her and I've spoken to her briefly via email - I suspect if anyone would be able to help, it's her. (Don't know how I forgot to mention her earlier ><)
 
Hi,

I actually know Dana. I use to be a moderator on EtherBun years ago. I haven't been on for years though and thought this might be faster. Thank you for all the suggestions though I really appreciate it.
 
Heh... we do strive to be quick (especially with urgent health issues), but unfortunately our knowledge is limited in some situations :(

Give Penelope snuggles and nose bonks from us and tell her we demand that she gets better! :pray:
 
Oh no, I'm so sorry to hear about Penelope's health problems. She's in my good thoughts! :pray:
 

Latest posts

Back
Top