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Just looking on the internet to see if i can find the symptoms my rabbit has, would any body be able to help?

We have him booked in the vets later today but i just wanted to see what i could find.

He suffers quite bad with heat, he lies in the shade and has plenty ofwater around, he has the run of the garden too so he can find thecoolest spot. We have had a fairly warm weekend but for 2 days now hehas got a slight head tilt when sitting, he shivers when lying down andisnt eating not even his favourite raisen treats although luckily he isdrinking a lot of water - more than usual. Hes running around but notfor too far and its slightly clumsy. Could this be an after effect ofheat stroke or a stroke?

Would apperciate any ideas thanks.
 
What has the temperature been? Over 80F can be uncomfortable and heat stroke is possible over 90degrees. Rabbits really don't deal with heat verywell. Could you give him a frozen water bottle to cuddle upwith? Many bunnies like that. You can also gentlymist some water on his ears. Does he have a dark, cool placeto hide, like a box or hutch under a tree?

Here's more info on cooling rabbits down:
http://rabbitsonline.net/view_topic.php?id=864&forum_id=1

The head tilt is worrisome- that may be caused by an actual illnesslike an ear infection, although it could be from serious heat stroke.

Let us know how it goes at the vets!
 
Thanks for your help, just got back from thevets and he has Encephalitozoon cuniculi it has infected hisbrain. We just have to wait to see how he responds tomedicine. Would like to know if anyone has a success story with theirrabbit.
 
Rabbits can recover from EC. Theydon't always make a complete recovery, but they can live quite happilyeven with some remaining mobility problems.

There's lots of info in Bunny 101, including threads from other members:
http://rabbitsonline.net/view_topic.php?id=14471&forum_id=10
http://rabbitsonline.net/view_topic.php?id=11840&forum_id=10

Also, check out this thread towards the end, where ra7751 talks about anew treatment that your vet might be interested in. Maybe hecould finds some medical articles on it for you, I haven't heard ofthis before.
http://rabbitsonline.net/view_topic.php?id=21316&forum_id=16
 
Hi Alfie,

I am very concerned not only about your bun's condition but I amconfused about the diagnosis. First, there is absolutely noclinical evidence at all that ECis primarytohead tilt. The real deal is that EC compromises theimmune system and allows opportunistic bacteria...particularlypasteurella...to gain a foot hold. Pasteurella is what hasbeen called "snuffles" for years (a term I hate). I amconcerned how a diagnosis of EC has been made on what appears to be afirst visit. While the only way to confirm an EC infection ispost mortem, there is a test called a titer that will show theantibodies to EC. That test cannotproduceresultsin one visit at a clinic. In the US, thereareonly a couple of labs capable of doing thistest. There is some interpretation involved that does havesome wiggle room. You are looking at rising values andfalling values and such things. Nearly every domestic rabbithas been exposed to EC...usually from it's mother. Thedisease is contagious while the spores are shedding (it is alsozoonotic). That happens in the kidneys. Renalsupport is essential. With EC, the first signs many noticeare "lazy" back legs. One will appear to drag intermittentlyand continue to get worse. Then the rabbit will usually godown on one side. There is usually some improvement as therabbit's immune system mounts a counter attack. Urinaryincontinance is usually present due to the spores in thekidneys. We have had a bun that the pupils of her eyesstartedfilling with crystals caused by ECand shewas becoming blind beforerenal failure took her (she was ourfirst rescue and the namesake of our rescue). She kept a wetrear all the time and we had to bathe her often. But EC is awasting disease and will eventually win the fight usually due to renalfailure.

While I am not here to contest your doctor's diagnosis, I would highlysuggest a second opinion. I am assuming your bun either livesoutside or visits outside regularly. With added heat of theweather and the fact that rabbit's ears are hot and moist to beginwith, I am always concered with the possibility for the growth ofbacteria, yeast or both in those ears (lops are very prone to this dueto the restricted air flow in the ear canals). Something assimple as mites can cause tilt. I would really like to see atleast a cytology on any debris in the ears...and if bacteria is found,a full culture and sensitivity should be performed. And if itis a bacterial infection as I suspect, it should be attacked with thebig guns on multiple fronts. Caught and treated early, tiltcorrection is possible. If the infection perforates the eardrum or enters the brain, things don't go so well.

What drug did your vet put him on? The latest and greatest ofthe treatments for ECare with the "bendazoles"....and Panacuris the one most commonly used by vets today. It has to beadministered every day for at least 60 days. There is someuse of a horse drug called Marquis that is showing promise but very fewvets have actually attempted treatment with thisdrug. It is used to fight EPM in horses....aclosely related disease to EC. I am putting a link to anarticle written by one of the top rabbit vets in the country.It is written more in a technical form but it simple enough for usregular people to understand the primary message. And I wouldreally like to revisit those ears and take a verycloselook. Not saying that the tilt might not be secondary toEC...but I would like a more thorough diagnosis if this were my rabbit.

http://www.rabbit.org/health/tilt.html

Best wishes to your bun. And keepme updated. I would like to follow this one closely.

Randy
 
Time for an update.Alfie seems to begetting better, he has his appetite back which is the best news. Hewent back to the vets on Wednesday for a check up and he is now onantibiotic injections and still taking the panacur paste much to hisdisapproval of it! His head is still tilting when sitting but he seemsto be more like himself, ears pricked when calling him and runningaround the garden like he owns it!The vets have given him a thoroughcheck over especially in his ears but they seemed to know what it wasstraight away and said it was very common. I didnt realise there wassuch debate about E.C but my vet seemed very knowledgeable about it.AsAlfie seems to be 'getting better' i think the treatment could be theright one (fingers crossed). He is due back to the vet on Tuesday.Thankyou to everyone who is following his recovery!
 
Alfie has been back to the vets today and theyare very happy with him, hes up to his usual tricks again now and hishead is hardly tilting at all. He has to take the panacur pastestill and we have been given another tube to give him. What adifference a week can make!
 

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