Not exactly forum policy...yet...but opinions on the forum

[mistyjr]

Yeah!! That would be cool too. She is talking to me about my wooly/mix babies. She wants me to keep a best doe or 2 out of that litter.. Hopefully the 2 Gray babies will be does...:biggrin2:

 

[lelanatty]

pamnock wrote:

Chinchilla is an agouti variety, not a tan pattern like the silver marten. Agoutis are one variety group, tan patterns are another. The chinchilla doesn't fit into both.

The chinchilla gene combined with the tan pattern gene produces the silver marten color.

The Silver Marten breed is a commercial body type - we already have commercial red colored rabbits.

Thank you, I have been wondering about this for a long time and am glad to finally find someone ho knows their stuff.

The thing I don't understand abut chinchillas being in the agouti group is that they have no red/yellow rufus factor color anywhere on them and every other agouti variety does. Unless it is simply because of the fur ticking which makes them phenotypically look like agoutis that puts them in that group.

 

[dixonsrabbitry1]

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Thank you, I have been wondering about this for a long time and am glad to finally find someone ho knows their stuff.

The thing I don't understand abut chinchillas being in the agouti group is that they have no red/yellow rufus factor color anywhere on them and every other agouti variety does. Unless it is simply because of the fur ticking which makes them phenotypically look like agoutis that puts them in that group.

You want to hear something really weird, silver martins came from one of the chinchilla breeds.

 

[Kadish Tolesa]

Hi Peg, thanks for your insightful post. We have a pair of JW's that our son will be entering in shows and fairs this year. Although it's just the pair right now, we may be adding one more doe.

In the past I was told you had to have a substantial amount of bunnies to breed and show them, but everyone has their own method and we'd like to start out small. If my son decides in the future not to show, I'll stop breeding and keep my woolies as pets. I bought from trusted breeders and I think my woolies have potential !

I didn't say who they are because of privacy concerns...also I've had people come up to me (back when we raised ND's) and say "Oh, don't buy from them...". I think good and bad points will reveal themselves at the shows. Some breeder's stock has shown to improve over time. As far as our rabbits; I just purchased some good stock so my son can hopefully do well at the show tables.

I'm grateful to all the breeders who made rabbits like the min-rex and Jersy Wooly to be what they are !

 

[Silver Star Rabbitry]

I didn't realize that red silver marten was not genetically possible. That's too bad.
The Silver Martens originated from the Standard Chinchilla and Tan. They also had Satin mixed in to improve color and shine.

Emily

Silver Star Rabbitry
Raising and Showing Quality Silver Martens in North Louisiana

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[Blaze_Amita]

Though the Flemish with the duck feet sound interesting, to say the least, Peg does have a very strong point. A lady I know, now personally, had come to the forum at some point(*** Byrd- Mcdonald) and that's how she found me. I got her set onto the right track with her "Dwarf 6 month old female bunny" that was more so about 4-5 week old red New Zealand male. but she's been worried about coming back to the forum with other questions for when she can't get ahold of me. She knows she can, easily, she's got my cell number but I told her that posting on the site will still help her if she's got questions as it could take me up to a week to get back into the town she lives in(despite being the next town over)she also didn't want the criticism of fighting to keep her bun now that half the household income was gone due to bad economy-so I've been helping her there as well. I know it keeps me tight on budget as well, but this way she can also keep her bun and not have to rehome the poor thing again.

I know i've brought oen person to the site behind me, Red Thunder Rabbits, and she doesn't get alot of internet time so she's hardly ever on here, but she comes with questions from my old neighborhood. If everyone can feel welcome we'll all be a much happier person. Like Thumper quoted in Bambi "If you don't have something nice to say, don't say it at all." (Yes I know Bambi was far from realistic, but it was a good quote.)

 

[Nela]

Soooooo...

If y'all work together then we'll end up with *takes deep breath* green miniature flemish rabbitswith purple polka-dots and pink stripes with rex fur, lionhead manes, duck feet, wings, and they will be available in full lop or one lop ear one reg ear versions? :biggrin2:

Alright alright, on a serious note, I am happy to say that I see a change in the way the forums are moderated. Things are being edited more, taken down sooner, closed, and explained much more than I have seen in the past. Sometimes we may think it sucks that things must be moderated so much, but in the end, it gives a better overall attitude I think. Too often people state opinion as fact, and I think that is where the problem lies most of the time. I personally think this is a positive change. I know the forum policies probably haven't changed at all, but to me it seems like they are being enforced more. That's why I came back myself, to see if it's really headed in the direction RO always stood for.

 

[tamsin]

Excellent post! If you really want to change someone else's opinion or actions, rather than just voice your own, you'll be much more successful if you talk to them politely and use facts, and it creates a much nicer atmosphere for everyone else too.

I'm totally convinced now re the duck feet

 

[TinysMom]

I'm really thinking we need to add green and blue to those colors too somehow.

And on a serious note - I appreciate all of you for understanding what I'm trying to say.

I do have to share a short story.

When I was much younger - we bought a rabbit. It slept in our bathroom because it was winter time - and dad & I would fight over the rabbit on Sunday afternoons as far as who could take a nap with the rabbit. (Looking back - I'm thinking it was a Florida White).

Then dad made a cage for it outside in the spring and it got away. We waited for a week or so - and I was devastated so my mom and I went to the pet store and got another white bunny.

My dad was at a garage about 1/2 mile away (across a major road) a few days later...and they said, "Hey...doesn't your kid have a white bunny?" They then took him to a deserted car that they were keeping the bunny in since they'd found it on their property and they were feeding it carrots and stuff while they waited to see whose it was.

So dad brought bunny #1 home...to live with bunny #2. Amazingly enough - they got along great.

You can imagine our shock when a few months later - a few white babies came crawling out of the wooden enclosure and into the pen area. HOW could that happen?

So dad made a divider - put one rabbit in one side - left the babies in with what he thought was the mama.

Imagine our shock when still yet a few months later - we had babies again....and again....and again.

Dad & I were laughing about this over Father's Day and I said, "Dad...you grew up on a farm. Why didn't it dawn on you that the babies could get the mama pregnant when they got old enough?"

He was like..."Peg...that was over 30 years ago. We didn't think about such things back then. I mean....they were rabbits...no one really knew about them as pets and we didn't think a brother could get a sister pregnant or vice versa. "

Now to many of us - that might seem obvious - as in "How can you not know about this?"

Many of us as breeders did a lot of research and so when we hear a question we're like, "But why didn't you check into this?" or "duh...of course that can happen.."

But we need to remember - especially here in the rabbitry - that not everyone has had the exposure to the facts and knowledge we may have. Some people may be new to the internet and not know how to research things...or they don't realize that breeding rabbits can be time-consuming and heart-breaking because hey...isn't there a joke about how easy it is for rabbits to breed?

I'm just hoping in the future we can remember that others don't have the same experience and understanding that we have.

I think too that my experience with what was truly "backyard breeding" helps me be a little bit more understanding of others sometimes.

But hey - at least I didn't have to worry about messing up the color genetics!

 

[pamnock]

lelanatty wrote:

The thing I don't understand abut chinchillas being in the agouti group is that they have no red/yellow rufus factor color anywhere on them and every other agouti variety does. Unless it is simply because of the fur ticking which makes them phenotypically look like agoutis that puts them in that group.

The agouti gene produces a banded hairshaft - it has nothing to do with the actual color of the intermediate band. Squirrel, sable chinchilla and chocolate chinchilla are other agouti varieties with a pearl intermediate band.

 

[MikeScone]

Nela wrote:

If y'all work together then we'll end up with *takes deep breath* green miniature flemish rabbitswith purple polka-dots and pink stripes with rex fur, lionhead manes, duck feet, wings, and they will be available in full lop or one lop ear one reg ear versions?

Boy, that's a tough one. I just can't get the wings right...

 

[Luvr of Wabbits and Polar Bears]

:roflmao: That's a great picture Mike

 

[mistyjr]

Hay,, I should make a photo contest like this in the photo philers.. Thanks for giving me some examples that we can do...


MikeScone wrote:

Nela wrote:

If y'all work together then we'll end up with *takes deep breath* green miniature flemish rabbitswith purple polka-dots and pink stripes with rex fur, lionhead manes, duck feet, wings, and they will be available in full lop or one lop ear one reg ear versions?

Boy, that's a tough one. I just can't get the wings right...

 

[whaleyk98]

Well the wings are the best part! Im picturing Pegasus wings =)

 

[TinysMom]

MikeScone wrote:

Nela wrote:

If y'all work together then we'll end up with *takes deep breath* green miniature flemish rabbitswith purple polka-dots and pink stripes with rex fur, lionhead manes, duck feet, wings, and they will be available in full lop or one lop ear one reg ear versions?

Boy, that's a tough one. I just can't get the wings right...

I want mine to have wings like a Robin....

 

[lelanatty]

pamnock wrote:

The agouti gene produces a banded hairshaft - it has nothing to do with the actual color of the intermediate band. Squirrel, sable chinchilla and chocolate chinchilla are other agouti varieties with a pearl intermediate band.

Thank you so much Finally I understand this. I love genetics. I raise silver martens and now otters too, ND's. It is tons of fun since there are so many colors, but a little confusing at times too.

 

[Nela]

:laugh:

Y'all are too much!

 

[MikeScone]

whaleyk98 wrote:

Well the wings are the best part! Im picturing Pegasus wings =)

Sure, that's easy to say, but have you tried crossing a winged horse to a rabbit? How do you get a stallion to stoop that low?

 

[whaleyk98]

MikeScone wrote:

whaleyk98 wrote:

Well the wings are the best part! Im picturing Pegasus wings =)

Sure, that's easy to say, but have you tried crossing a winged horse to a rabbit? How do you get a stallion to stoop that low?

Lol, .....thats onedelema I havent quite figured out the answer to yet .

 

[Silver Star Rabbitry]

pamnock wrote:

Orange (or a poor red) is the closest thing you can get to what you envision as a red silver marten.

Pam, how would you go about producing an orange?

Emily