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undergunfire wrote:
"Amber....if you are going to feed Purina with that min. protein %, then can you up the feeding on the wet food? They'd do much better eating mainly wet then they would the dry."
Amy, that's my rabbit's name. ;)I'm Erika, no worries though.I sure can up the wet food feeding. Though Sassy is even more picky with that! She only will eatbrands with a specific texture and even then will barely eat half a small can. Our younger male goes over after finishing his and inhales her leftovers. I willup it though, thanks for the suggestion.

 
Sorry...for some reason I always want to call you "Amber", even before you had Amber the bunny :p.

I had to start sectioning off my cats because I have 2 fatties who will steal the 2 slow-eaters wet food. My Juju isn't a huge wet food kitty, but I feel like hes healthy even though he barely eats half a can a day because he also eats Natural Balance grain free.

Did you try the Trader Joe's food (sorry if I missed that)? Juju goes crazy for it! Sadly we don't have a TJ's and I'd have to travel 2.5 hours to get to one, lol!
 
undergunfire wrote:
Sorry...for some reason I always want to call you "Amber", even before you had Amber the bunny :p."
Really? :DSometimes people just like a certain name! I've had that problem. Noworries!

I didn't try the Trader Joes brand, besides can food, only because It doesn't seem that well known so I'm kind of iffy. Sassy seems to have problems on that grain free stuff, it's weird.We just switched back to Science Diet from Purina Pro Plan because I noticed she was looking thinner (so bizarre!) and bothour cats coats looked just awful to me. Since switching back Sassyis already more active and happier.Honestly, why try and fix a good thing? She is getting up there in age. After she passes we will try out a holistic grain free brand forCody, since he doesn't have her weight loss problems on certain foods.


 
Well I am glad Sassy is feeling/looking better - and you are right, why fix a good thing now?

I'm back into the "never ending cat food dilemma". NB grain free wasn't working anymore - runny poo for some kitties (I have 4, so who knows?!) and it was just getting too expensive (about $46 per month for 20lbs of food!). I am now back to feeding Chicken Soup, but I am not sure I am thrilled with it (yet again). We only switched to it as an "inbetween" while I decided what to feed next. I can get 18lbs for $30, so it is cheaper then NB. The issue is that I am still seeing runny poo in the cat boxes and the kibble gets wasted because of the star shape...I see LOTS of crumbs left all around the feeding dish - I think some breaks off and goes flying when they crunch down.

I have tried NB, EVO, Innova, Wellness, Kirkland (same as CS), Chicken Soup, Nutro, Eagle Pack, and who knows what else. I'm seriously considering trying Purina ONE because I have read on the cat forums that its not all that bad of a food. My cats get wet food daily (approx. 6oz each), which is said to be better then feeding dry anyway.

Guess I am just fed up feeding all of the premium/high end foods and getting runny poo!!! I want to experiment and see what a mid-grade food (Purina ONE, ProPlan, or Iam's Healthy Naturals are supposed to be decent) does for my kitties and if it works....then I'm sticking with it.

I can't wait for the day when Quil doesn't have poop on his long butt fur and they cats don't smell like poop everytime they want to cuddle with you.

I mean, I have always been a big supporter of high end foods for pets...but its apparently not working for my cats (but works for my other species). I can't see how feeding an expensive premium food that gives my cats poopy butt is good for them.

:rollseyes
 
We used the BB puppy food - OMG he hated it! Now we have Iams. Cats are hard. Tank has allergies. We've been using THE GOOD LIFE and he likes that a lot but Diesel needs to gain weight.
 
Yeah I think I am going with Iams Healthy Naturals for the cats. I can get a free 4lbs bag with a coupon from Petco, so I might as well try it!
 
They do have a chicken formula and the only thing I see is "fish oil", but its lower on the ingredient list.....

Healthy Naturals with Chicken: Chicken, Chicken By-Product Meal, Corn Meal, Brewer Rice, Ground Whole Grain Barley, Chicken Meal, Dried Beet Pulp, Dried Egg Product, Natural Chicken Flavor, Sodium Bisulfate, Potassium Chloride, Fish Oil (preserved with mixed Tocopherols, a source of Vitamin E), Animal Fat (preserved with mixed Tocopherols, a source of Vitamin E), DL-Methionine, Dried Apple Pomace, Dried Carrots, Brewers Dried Yeast, Dried Peas, Vitamins (Vitamin E Supplement, Vitamin A Acetate, Niacin, Ascorbic Acid, Calcium Pantothenate, Biotin, Thiamine Mononitrate (source of vitamin B1), Pyridoxine Hydrochloride (source of vitamin B6), Vitamin B12 Supplement, Vitamin D3 Supplement, Riboflavin Supplement (source of vitamin B2), Inositol, Folic Acid), Calcium Carbonate, Choline Chloride, Dried Spinach, Dried Tomato, Minerals (Zinc Oxide, Manganese Sulfate, Copper Sulfate, Potassium Iodide, Cobalt Carbonate), Rosemary Extract.


I have read that a meat followed by a meat meal is good, so that's why I am choosing this food to try over Purina ONE.
 
Amy I would try Wellness i went back and reread and did not see that you have used it. I am not a big fan of there dog food but there cat food is great.

To work with them eating each other food I would do 15 mintue at a time it took us like three weeks to get boss to eat in one sitting.

Leave it down for 15 minutes. then pull it up tell next feeding time they will get the idea rather quickly.

And yes for dog or cat you want the first three preferably four ingredients to be real meat product not by product.
 
I have already tried Wellness. At this point...I have tried every premium/high quality food at my grain store except Solid Gold & Royal Canin (I don't think its all that high quality). I also haven't tried some of the "really high end/organic foods" that only come in 3lb bags for over $10 each (can't afford that!). We have a local mom & pop pet store who sells GO!, Orijen, etc....but they are so over priced that I just can't afford it (I'm talking $20+ for 6lbs).

I free feed dry to my kitties now because thats the only way to know that Juju (my slow eater) is actually able to get food. With 4 cats now, it is too hard to measure out food and know that everyone is getting their equal part.
 
Royal Canin is a joke just like Science Diet. Overpriced and full of grains and corn that cats do not need!
Cats are carnivores. I believe in a grain free diet 100%. Especially after seeing how beautiful and fit my boyfriend's 1 year old cat is after being on a high quality dry food (switched a few times but is now on Acana) and wet food 3x a day (about 3oz/daily).

This is the ingredient listing for Acana Prairie:
Chicken meal, russet potato, fresh free-run chicken, peas, fresh deboned Lake Whitefish, chicken fat (naturally preserved with Vitamin E), fresh whole eggs, sun-cured alfalfa, fresh deboned walleye, salmon oil, pumpkin, apples, carrots, turnip greens, organic sea vegetables (kelp, bladderwrack, dulse), juniper berries, cranberries, Saskatoon berries, black currants, angelica root, chicory root, red clover, red raspberry leaf, dandelion root, peppermint leaf, marigold flowers

The difference in their chicken meal and most other 'meals' in foods is that this is HUMAN grade meat. Feed grade food that is in most other brands (purina, science diet, ect..) contain things like crushed up beaks, feet, meat from deceased animals... They can get away with really disgusting things in animal food. The grains used in animal foods can be moldy... really any quality goes.

Let's compare the Acana ingredients above with the Wellness chicken formula:
Deboned Chicken, Chicken Meal, Rice, Ground Barley, Ground Rice, Chicken Fat(preserved with mixed Tocopherols, a natural source of Vitamin E), Natural Chicken Flavor, Salmon Meal, Chicken Liver, Cranberries, Tomato Pomace, Olive Oil, Chicory Root Extract, Cranberry Extract Powder, Cranberry Fiber, Flaxseed, Potassium Chloride, Vitamins (Vitamin E Supplement, Niacin, Ascorbic Acid (Vitamin C), Thiamine Mononitrate, Calcium Pantothenate, Riboflavin, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Beta-Carotene, Vitamin A Supplement, Vitamin D-3 Supplement, Folic Acid, Biotin, Vitamin B-12 Supplement), Choline Chloride, Minerals (Zinc Proteinate, Zinc Sulfate, Iron Proteinate, Ferrous Sulfate, Copper Sulfate, Copper Proteinate, Manganese Proteinate, Manganese Sulfate, Calcium Iodate, Sodium Selenite), Yucca Schidigera Extract, Dried Kelp, Chondroitin Sulfate, Glucosamine, Hydrochloride, Lactobacillus Plantarum, Enterococcus Faecium, Lactobacillus Casei, Lactobacillus Acidophilus, Taurine, Rosemary Extract.

There are so many things I can't pronounce in the Wellness listing. The first 5 ingredients contain 3 grains too... The grains may actually outweigh the real meat in the food if we add them up. The problem with a lot of dry foods is that they are scorched when they are cooked...so much that they burn away the natural nutrients and have to go in and add them back. The Acana/Orijen foods are uniquely cooked for a short 3 minutes while being tumbled around. This prevents that nutrient burning that happens in most commercially produced foods.

Purina cat food has higher levels of magnesium than most--which can cause kidney irritation. Watch out!! Older males are prone to these problems and feeding your cat these lower quality foods without really researching what they are is just asking for health issues.

I wouldn't feed any Wellness other than their Core line which is grain free. There are just better foods out there.
 
pocketsizedrhino wrote:
Royal Canin is a joke just like Science Diet. Overpriced and full of grains and corn that cats do not need!
Tell that to Sassy! She does great on Science Diet. :dunno
 
Well, what does "doing great" mean to you?

Under the surface, her body is storing the extra carbs that are totally unnecessary.. she may not show it but it does the same damage that too many carbs does to a human. Carbs quickly convert to blood glucose and this is a leading cause of diabetes. When cats get diabetes they require 2x/day injections of insulin and regular blood testing. That is something that I think is worth preventing--and the simplest thing to do is be mindful of what you're feeding.

The biggest reason for pet food recalls are because of low quality grains causing health problems in cats and dogs. These things just aren't regulated enough for me to feel comfortable about feeding them to my animals. Another reason to opt for grain-free.

This is the Science Diet Indoor formula..
Chicken By-Product Meal, Brewers Rice, Corn Gluten Meal, Ground Whole Grain Corn, Powdered Cellulose (10.5% source of fiber), Chicken Liver Flavor, Soybean Oil, Animal Fat (preserved with mixed tocopherols and citric acid), Calcium Sulfate, Potassium Chloride, Choline Chloride, vitamins (L-Ascorbyl-2-Polyphosphate (source of vitamin C), Vitamin E Supplement, Niacin, Thiamine Mononitrate, Vitamin A Supplement, Calcium Pantothenate, Riboflavin, Biotin, Vitamin B12 Supplement, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Folic Acid, Vitamin D3 Supplement), Glyceryl Monostearate, Vitamin E Supplement, DL-Methionine, Iodized Salt, Taurine, minerals (Zinc Oxide, Ferrous Sulfate, Manganous Oxide, Copper Sulfate, Calcium Iodate, Sodium Selenite), L-Carnitine, preserved with Mixed Tocopherols and Citric Acid, Beta-Carotene, Rosemary Extract.

The price you're paying for that is ridiculous. You could buy a number of better foods for the same cost. The grains and utter trash that is in this food severely outweighs the actual meat that is in it. I wouldn't feed a carnivore a bunch of grains, just like I wouldn't feed my rabbit a bunch of meat. It just isn't natural. It's an easy choice for me... *shrug*
 
Energy, nice looking coat, and healthy weight. :) I always look at ingredients on all my pet's food so I know what Science Diet lacks. However, like I said I've tried many different grain free, no by-product, holistic cat foods and she losses weight or lays around all day. If I could find a food in the same price range that is holistic that she actually does just as good on then you can bet I would change in a heart beat. I hate having to change these brands all the time. She is an old girl now at 12 years and very picky. I have had nothing but bad luck with the grain free no by-product diets, it's so frustrating!

'Holistic' brands we've tried:

California Natural
Chicken Soup for the Cat Lovers Soul
Taste of the Wild



 
Boss has been on taste of the wild for a month now he has not lost any weight and is doing good.

Although I have seen mixed review on it.

Here is a food I have not seen anyone try its pricy thats for sure but phoenix eat the dog form of it.

http://www.naturesvariety.com/instinct_cat

Note There is a rabbit formula. So if thats a problem void it out.
 
Some cats just can't handle no grains, though...that is the issue. I am pretty sure my cats couldn't handle TOTW because it was grain free/too rich for them. Even on NB grain free we still had runny poop.

As much as I am all for high quality diets in pets...sometimes you have to "settle" on the lower quality if it is working for your pets. Like what I am going through...my cats have all done bad on higher quality foods, so now I am going to try a lower quality and see what happens. If their runny poo goes away, then I'm going to keep them on a lower quality dry diet with quality wet foods.

Besides, dry food is supposed to be the worst diet for cats anyway - cats shouldn't even be eating dry food because of how processed it is. I have read numerous times that the cheapest wet food is better then even the highest quality of dry food. The only proper diet for cats, IMO, is the raw diet....but some of us can't handle feeding it and/or its really expensive if you don't have the "hook ups". Cats didn't eat canned wet food in the wild, nor did they eat high quality dry food.
 
Sassy doesn't eat canned food much either. She is quite strange... I still love her though! I give her half of a small can of wet food and she doesn't finish it all. So Cody goes over and finishes her. :rollseyes
This never ending cat food dilemma makes me-:pullhair:
 
I wonder if it makes a difference if the cat starts out on a grain-free diet, like my boyfriend's cat, rather than switching later on in life? My 12 year old cat was on Purina Indoor most of his life (I got him when I was 7)... He now eats a mix of Felidae and Acana and he does good on it and eats it right up.. His problem is that he will ONLY eat Friskies wet food, so I do understand your dilemma, Erika.

I've spent a lot of money trying out different high quality wet foods and he snubs most of them... ONE that he will eat is the Weruva mideast feast flavor. It is so annoying....

Cats are generally better at transition foods than dogs are but some of the issues you guys are saying you've had (runny poop mainly) could be due to transitioning too fast.
I hear a lot of hit or miss about TOTW from customers in the store I work at... Some animals just get sick on it, it seems like.

Kat, Nature's Variety is pricey but it is a great food! :)
 
I know I haven't switched my cats over too fast and they have runny poo on all of the higher quality foods. I'd love to try Eagle Pack Holistic (Chicken & Rice) since Juju & Zaide (RIP) did awesome on that food...but feeding 4 cats and having to pay $22 for a 6.6lbs bag just isn't possible. I guess when you have run out of trying out the higher end options, then the only option left is to try out the lower quality options.

I also don't think starting out on grain free gives them a better chance at doing good on it. My little Quil started out on it and he still got runny poo. It all just depends on the individual cat. Sometimes you have to throw in the towel and admit that if a lower quality food produces better results then a higher quality food, then that is just what you are going to have to feed and deal with others telling you you are making a bad choice. I am certainly at that point (well, if the lower quality stuff works for us).
 

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