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Actually, I wonder why MILU had to fast too. I understand (or at least imagine) that it has to do with the anesthesia.
Dogs have to fast for 12 hours, bunnies I guess for 3 or 4 hours - I don't remember well - last time we called to book the appointment, they said MILU had to fast for 12 hours and we should take a blanket there, but I clearly remembered that MILU never had to fast for 12 hours, and we never had to take a blanket to the dentist, and I recalled that, during MILU's 3rd procedure, some ladies who owned dogs said things about the blanket and I asked the staff of the clinic why they didn't tell us to bring a blanket and they said there was a difference between dogs and rabbits, and rabbits don't need blankets and have to fast for less hours.
They should remember that difference when telling us what to do when we schedule an appointment then. If I hadn't asked that day - out of curiosity - I'd have made MILU fast for 12 hours in vain!
This 4th time I made him fast for about 4 hours, he was starving in the morning, he always likes to eat when it's about 5 a.m, it was sad to see him looking for food and I couldn't let him eat. He found a green sock that I have and started eating the sock.... :( so sad, but he's been eating ok today. He's in my room with me but now there's FOOD and he's eating. He likes to stay here with me, and he's been quiet, not making a mess, so it's ok.

I know that the 12 hours dogs have to fast (like humans, before a surgery in which there's anesthesia) have to do with throwing up after waking up. Then I wonder, like you do, why rabbits have to fast, because I know they can't throw up.

MILU doesn't eat much alfafa because I don't know where to buy it - rabbits aren't common pets here, like cats and dogs. People who own them have to guess about things... I've NEVER been said about their teeth, that they always grow and may have spurs, and I remember being told that rabbits can eat bread as something I could give to MILU without a problem. He used to eat some alfafa hay (only kind I can find at some pet stores) but after his 1st dental procedure, he doesn't want to eat some things anymore.
He eats lots of fresh leaves, though, like carrot tops and broccoli leaves (his favorites now), cabbage, and I've been giving him more twigs too. The dentist said "I don't know about twigs, I don't think you should give them to MILU" but I've always given and I believe they're good for his teeth and never caused any harm to him, as I only give twigs from safe fruit trees and wash them before giving them to MILU.

It's funny that you had to mix the hays to trick Baci, hehe.. about that thing on his chin, I posted on the infirmary and maureen said it if he eats wet foods (he does), that may be caused by the food. I guess that's what it is. I trust the infirmary here 100%. I suppose if the dentist had an opinion about that, he'd have told me. I won't call and ask again because I don't think he'll tell me anything new, or anything at all...

One more thing I didn't like was the fact that the anesthetist grabbed MILU by that skin close to the ears (like some people do, or mother bunnies do to little bunnies), saying "that" is the right way to grab a rabbit, but I don't think that's a good thing to do to a big bunny. He got very scared and he was going to face a procedure. Why to do that to him? I couldn't even complain or kick his ass, because I depend on those people. If I complain and they told me to look for another place to treat MILU, it'd be a bigger problem. I surely got FURIOUS and asked that guy not to do that... I treat my bunny with love and respect, and they don't even care about him. After having the 1st procedure, MILU has had nightmares some times. He wakes up scared if I touch the area close to his mouth when he sleeps, but before that he'd only lick me (while sleeping) if I did it, he liked it.

* Oh yes, I'd love to be able to fix that "she" on the post, but when I tried I got a warning saying I can only edit posts within some time, and I had exceeded it..
MILU doesn't like to be called "she" because I thought he was a female for quite some time when he was a kid, heheheh
 
Oh Vivian, I feel so bad for you and Milu. Poor baby ate a green sock?! That just breaks my heart. Rabbits should never be fasted. Any vet that tells you otherwise does not know rabbit anatomy well enough. Rabbits eat all day, poop all day and any stoppage in their digestive tract because of absence of food is a danger because there's nothing to push things along.

Screening questions for vets: http://rabbit.org/faq/sections/vet.html#questions

Understandably, location is a factor and you do the best you can... I'm glad you at least said something to the anesthesiologist... grabbing bunny by the scruff is so painful. They're not like cats, they don't have much skin there so it pulls and hurts.
 
Thank you Helen for correcting that post for me.
MILU couldn't even eat the green sock, I had to stop him, he had to fast and socks aren't on his diet - fasting or feasting!
The anesthesiologist said (only when I was leaving) that he won't do that to MILU anymore, and I guess he really won't. It seems like the same dentist also treats bunnies in another address, closer to where I live, and the anesthesiologist isn't the same. The funny thing is that I remember someone else having given us the phone number of this place (closer to my home) and my mother said she called but that address would only treat cats and dogs. Now they told us rabbits too. I hope so!!!
It's sort of "shocking news" to me to know that rabbits must not fast ever. They always told me my bunny had to fast for some hours (3 or 4) before the procedure. I've always found it strange, but never questioned (as they don't like questioning and only talk to me for 5 minutes or less, and I got other important things to ask too...)
You also tell me that we're not supposed to grab bunnies by their scruff and a guy who's supposed to *treat* sick animals did it. I always have more and more reasons to hate this place... and to praise people like you - and everybody from RO!
 
The other reason rabbits are not fasted is because they cannot puke. It was my understanding that this is a common cause of death among cats and dogs under anesthesia... they vomit, and the vomit is aspirated into their lungs.

As buns can't puke, they can eat up until the moment they go in.

Twigs are A-OK for him; very good, in fact! They will help keep his teeth worn down.
Where do you live in Brazil, exactly, Vivian? I wonder if there is a guide to safe regional plants?

(Technically, he can be scruffed only if his behind is supported... I would still be unhappy if someone did that to my rabbit, though. :( )

I really hope the little man feels a lot better soon. We're sending our best vibes to him.:pray:
 
** I've checked the screening questions for vets and that's great! I wish I had more options. The vets I've found so far all failed! The one most people indicated and is the "very best" here kills all animals he "treats". Bizarre is not enough to describe what his clinic is. Up to now, the dentist has been the only one who hasn't yet caused bad harm to my bun... but they tell us bunnies have to fast :(
 
Well, I'll tell you this... they probably aren't able to actually TELL whether he's fasted or not. I would just feed him, and hope they don't notice. Really, what could they do?
 
NorthernAutumn wrote:
Well, I'll tell you this... they probably aren't able to actually TELL whether he's fasted or not. I would just feed him, and hope they don't notice. Really, what could they do?

That's true. A rabbit that has recently eaten may have bits of hay and whatever else inside their mouth, but that's all they can "tell"... :p
 
LOL... yeah, just give him a big drink before he goes in, and get Milu to swish it around a bit. If they find hay in the teeth, I would look horrified and surprised "I'm so terribly sorry, blah blah blah"... ;)
 
Upon finding stuff in his teeth, just tell the doc, "I told Milu that he would have to fast for 4 hours. He promptly ate his dinner early and said he was "saving some for later". I didn't know this is what he meant, I swear!"
 
Even better, after Milu eats, bring hisstraight to thevet and let himpoop and pee on him. Payback for telling a bun not to eat!:biggrin2:
 
Hi everybody - sorry for not having written. I'm still hav ing internet issues, and now I connect via dial-up, which is almost as fast as the opposite of the speed of light. Doctors and vets aren't the only kind of service we can't count on here in this part of the world!

@ Autumn

Thanks for posting here and explaining better about anesthesia and fasting, I live in Sao Paulo - SP. I usually give MILU branches of guava and mango tree. They never caused any harm, so I still give them to MILU despite what his dentist said. MILU's behind was not being supported when that man scruffed him. :(

Thanks for the suggestions, I can always pretend I haven't seen MILU eating... ;)
Well, once it happened that it was early in the morning before the procedure and MILU had to fast (and did) but he went to his bathroom and pooped and then ate.. well, you know what.... I told that to the dentist, and he said "no problem". I may let MILU eat and, if they ask, I can always say that happened again - heheheh

MILU is ok, but today his chin was all wet again. I tend (or prefer) not to believe that he has another dental problem so soon again. But don't worry, he's doing good, he's been eating well lately and being very "productive" :D

@ Kirbyultra Helen - "I was saving some for later" sounds so cute!! heheh I'll love to use this excuse some time!

@ hin917 Helen - What a great suggestion!!!!!!!! Actually, this "fasting" thing made me understand why, especially after the first times MILU went to the dentist, it took days for him to be able to poop again. Poor bunny, starving for so long and they tell us to starve him even more. The other times MILU was so hurt by the spurs that he didn't really want to eat - so I only didn't syringe food into his mouth - but this last time he was really hungry and I didn't let him eat. I felt really bad, especially when he wanted to eat my green sock. Then he came back home dizzy and uncomfortable after the procedure, and didn't want to eat well for some days. If only I knew before that he could have eaten! Well, at least the future procedures will be different. Thank you all!!!!


**** With my ultra-slow internet, I spend minutes to open a page, so I'm not visiting the website much these days. I really miss all your stories and the pics of your CUTE bunnies though, I'll try to show up more often. I'll definitely do when I solve my internet problem. This website is an addiction to me, I love rabbits and everyone who loves them - and who do better than you? Please hug and cuddle your bunnies for me!!!
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Great to hear from you, Vivian! Too bad your internet is so difficult. Really wished to see more pics of Milu. BTW if you have trouble loading pages slowly you'll want to avoid my blog page 38. I uploaded 17 pictures of Penny today LOL.
 
Hi Helen, the wireless and 3-G internet both let me down.. now my internet is slow but at least dial-up "works". I opened your page first and let it load while I wrote here and on other pages, so I could see all the pics ;) I wouldn't want to miss any of them after days without checking your blog! All pix are really cute!
 
:(:shock:I am horrorfied at the way poor Milu has been treated! Grabbed by the scruff!!!??? What were they thinking? I just want to come down there and pick your vet up by the scruff of his neck!;)My heart goes out to you both. I wish I could mail you my rabbit vet! I totally understand your frustrations though, as you know Nummy has similar issues. His eye is even weeping now :(. I hope Milu feels better soon. I will keep you both in my prayers.
 
hi Cheri, thanks for your support! MILU's eyes weep some times too, not too much, though. I hope Nummy gets ok soon. I thought his dental issues left him alone already. He's such a handsome rabbit, and he looks so sweet! It's hard to understand why these sweeties have to suffer. I personally think they bring us so much joy and happiness that they only deserve good things back. It's such a pity that things don't always work as they should!
 
I wish his dental problems were behind us... it seems like it is a life long battle for the two of them. Nummy's eye has not been weeping for the last few days, he has good days and bad days. I am wondering if that stuff on Milu's chin is from his scent glands???:confused2:Nummy has a drity chin too, when I rub his chin he has crusty stuff under there. I wonder if that might be what Milu has too. I agree with you when you said that they bring us so much joy, I absolutly love rabbits! They are a pleasure to have for sure :biggrin:. I just love that long tail Milu has, what a cutie. I hope Milu is feeling better. I can't wait to see more pics. :hearts:adorable:
 
@ Helen - I know I always promise to post the pics of MILU's dental procedure, but I just never scan them... sorry! I will post them though - hopefully soon!

@ Cheri - Do bunnies have scent glands in the chin? MILU has what you described, a crusty thing under his chin. Sometimes it's wet. It can be from food, like Maureen said: [url]http://www.rabbitsonline.net/view_topic.php?id=55443&forum_id=16&page=6 [/url]
 
MILU has been helpful by not jumping on my bed all the time, and having learned all by himself that it's not nice to pee or poop in my room. It's strange how sometimes he feels like doing it and then he suddenly quits and won't pee or poop at all unless I take him to his bathroom.

Sometimes he's still found in my bed investigating stuff here. Once he saw my hoody in my bed and of course he destroyed the intruder. I didn't get mad because that was the "bunny hoody", the one I wear when I play with him, i.e., it's been bitten before. I know what happens to stuff I leave in my bed.
Once, though, I left some books (from my work place) on my bed for 1 minute and when I went back to the room to put them in a safe place, I noticed that MILU had already autographed (bitten) their corners. After he does this kind of thing, he's not seen in my bed, but far from it, and always shows himself extra loving, just in case I'm mad, hehe. It's funny how he thinks I'll get mad at him for silly things even if, after 5 1/2 years of being a naughty bunny, I've never got mad at him!
 
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