Lionlop breeder

[paul2641]

I am very tempted to save the money and in the summer pop over and get some lionlops from this breeder

http://www.freewebs.com/buckhousebunnies/index.htm

Will experianced lionlop breeders take a look and see should I invest time and alot of hard earned money buying from this breeder?

This Is only a question I wouldn't be going over till end of summer 09 and only if you thought the bunnies were really expectional. Plus it prob won't happen my mother hates boats and I would need her with me. I am only looking. Please don't think I'm rushing I'm trying to work out my plans.

 

[irishbunny]

That's so funny! I was just looking at those rabbits, I love the lionlop Dion.

 

[paul2641]

irishbunny wrote:

That's so funny! I was just looking at those rabbits, I love the lionlop Dion.

There so lovely arn't they. And just so you know I'm just looking.

 

[pamnock]

The lions that you have are better than the lionlops pictured on that site.

Pam

 

[paul2641]

pamnock wrote:

The lions that you have are better than the lionlops pictured on that site.

Pam

So are you saying them lionlops are poor quality? And even my nowhere near show acceptable rabbits are better then them? Or what are you saying? I'm really confused?

 

[irishbunny]

I think you got your answer lol, I do think they are really cute though, we have no standards here anyway so those lionlops in this country would probably be the best.

 

[paul2641]

irishbunny wrote:

I think you got your answer lol, I do think they are really cute though, we have no standards here anyway so those lionlops in this country would probably be the best.

At this stage irishbunny I'm confusing myself.

 

[irishbunny]

paul2641 wrote:

irishbunny wrote:

I think you got your answer lol, I do think they are really cute though, we have no standards here anyway so those lionlops in this country would probably be the best.

At this stage irishbunny I'm confusing myself.

:rofl:

 

[pamnock]

paul2641 wrote:

So are you saying them lionlops are poor quality? And even my nowhere near show acceptable rabbits are better then them? Or what are you saying? I'm really confused?

As I said originally, I think what you have is decent to work with for now. The lionlops pictured had poor type.

I would adviseprinting a copy of theBRC standard, work with a local breeder to mentor youand learning how to recognize good type. It's something that is really easier to learn when you have good and bad rabbits to compare. Until you do this, it would be very easy for you to spend a lot of money on some very poor quality animals.

Pam

 

[paul2641]

pamnock wrote:

paul2641 wrote:

So are you saying them lionlops are poor quality? And even my nowhere near show acceptable rabbits are better then them? Or what are you saying? I'm really confused?

As I said originally, I think what you have is decent to work with for now. The lionlops pictured had poor type.

I would adviseprinting a copy of theBRC standard, work with a local breeder to mentor youand learning how to recognize good type. It's something that is really easier to learn when you have good and bad rabbits to compare. Until you do this, it would be very easy for you to spend a lot of money on some very poor quality animals.

Pam

thanks for your help. I was thinking Who would be best to breed to a holland lop to hopefully come out with lionlop?

 

[RescueMe]

Paul - I love the bunny in your avatar! He/she is adorable....sorry for being OT

 

[polly]

Phil Batey is one of the best breeders to speak to about rabbits here is his website

http://www.miniaturelops.com/

Also Jane Bramley has and knows some really good lionlop breeders.

http://www.uptonlops.co.uk/

Jane knows all the right people to know for lionlop rabbits. and probably lionheads too.

I am afraid I don't agree with Pam on your rabbits and hold by my comments I made in your other thread. Teddy lionheads are not recognised over here and they are a lot of work for pets.

I think we have to remember while Paul is being very good about wanting good stock to work and breed with until he gets to be an adult and can choose whether he wants to travel and show his rabbits he would only be breeding for pets.

PaulI am impressed by the fact that you want to breed true rabbits rather than the mix breeds that are available to you in IrelandI would recommend emailing Phil Batey he has been in the rabbit fancy since he was a young boy and has a wonderful knowledge. If you explain to him where you are and what you want to know he should be really helpful

 

[pamnock]

polly wrote:

I am afraid I don't agree with Pam on your rabbits and hold by my comments I made in your other thread. Teddy lionheads are not recognised over here and they are a lot of work for pets.

Teddy Lionsare also not showable in the US, but the double manes can be used to breed to single or no manes. Are the teddy lions you have in the UK double manes, or angora mixes? If they are really angora mixes, then I agree that they are not usable in a Lion breeding program.

Here's a good article on Lion genetics which describes the double mane gene. When breeding lions, it is normal to get "teddies" unless you are only breeding single to no manes.

Pam

 

[JadeIcing]

Sorry for the thread hijack but I want an orange ND!

polly wrote:

Phil Batey is one of the best breeders to speak to about rabbits here is his website

http://www.miniaturelops.com/

 

[paul2641]

polly wrote:

Phil Batey is one of the best breeders to speak to about rabbits here is his website

http://www.miniaturelops.com/

Also Jane Bramley has and knows some really good lionlop breeders.

http://www.uptonlops.co.uk/

Jane knows all the right people to know for lionlop rabbits. and probably lionheads too.

I am afraid I don't agree with Pam on your rabbits and hold by my comments I made in your other thread. Teddy lionheads are not recognised over here and they are a lot of work for pets.

I think we have to remember while Paul is being very good about wanting good stock to work and breed with until he gets to be an adult and can choose whether he wants to travel and show his rabbits he would only be breeding for pets.

PaulI am impressed by the fact that you want to breed true rabbits rather than the mix breeds that are available to you in IrelandI would recommend emailing Phil Batey he has been in the rabbit fancy since he was a young boy and has a wonderful knowledge. If you explain to him where you are and what you want to know he should be really helpful

Thanks for the help. But what do I ask him? I know I need help but could you tell me some questions I could ask? Could I ask him to help me with genetics and colours? That's what I really need help in. Or What you want in show rabbits. Are they ok questions?

 

[pamnock]

paul2641 wrote:

thanks for your help. I was thinking Who would be best to breed to a holland lop to hopefully come out with lionlop?

It would be a good start. Ear control may be an issue.

Pam

 

[paul2641]

pamnock wrote:

paul2641 wrote:

thanks for your help. I was thinking Who would be best to breed to a holland lop to hopefully come out with lionlop?

It would be a good start. Ear control may be an issue.

Pam

From what you can see of my lionheads witch one would be the best to breed with a holland to get lionlops?

 

[polly]

pamnock wrote:

polly wrote:

I am afraid I don't agree with Pam on your rabbits and hold by my comments I made in your other thread. Teddy lionheads are not recognised over here and they are a lot of work for pets.

Teddy Lionsare also not showable in the US, but the double manes can be used to breed to single or no manes. Are the teddy lions you have in the UK double manes, or angora mixes? If they are really angora mixes, then I agree that they are not usable in a Lion breeding program.

Here's a good article on Lion genetics which describes the double mane gene. When breeding lions, it is normal to get "teddies" unless you are only breeding single to no manes.

Pam

Pam the problem I feel is if you look in Pauls blog and get a look at the body of his lionheads the whole back is full wool Like a teddy. At the moment the biggest problem with the lionheads is to much skirt on them so yes I agree but he would have to use a single mane or no maneto start taking the wool off them.and as they are going to be sold only as pets as Ireland have no shows where he lives then a lot of people would not take the care to keep them well groomed.

As they don't have a lot of proper breeds over there its going to be a huge task for him to find something suibtable to work with to sort the wool issue out. Over here a lot of breeders prefer to work with single manes.

Paul those questions are fine to ask Phil. WHy not ask if he knows how much it would be to have them taken over to Ireland as well. He will help you as much as possible.

Remember you do not have to quarantine rabbits coming from the UK to Ireland or from the european countries It would just be from the US

Alicia we have a lot of colours coming on in the UK now for nethies and lops the reds are lovely I hope at some point to actually get bleu argente nethies to start over here they will get imported from Holland

 

[paul2641]

polly wrote:

pamnock wrote:

polly wrote:

I am afraid I don't agree with Pam on your rabbits and hold by my comments I made in your other thread. Teddy lionheads are not recognised over here and they are a lot of work for pets.

Teddy Lionsare also not showable in the US, but the double manes can be used to breed to single or no manes. Are the teddy lions you have in the UK double manes, or angora mixes? If they are really angora mixes, then I agree that they are not usable in a Lion breeding program.

Here's a good article on Lion genetics which describes the double mane gene. When breeding lions, it is normal to get "teddies" unless you are only breeding single to no manes.

Pam

Pam the problem I feel is if you look in Pauls blog and get a look at the body of his lionheads the whole back is full wool Like a teddy. At the moment the biggest problem with the lionheads is to much skirt on them so yes I agree but he would have to use a single mane or no maneto start taking the wool off them.and as they are going to be sold only as pets as Ireland have no shows where he lives then a lot of people would not take the care to keep them well groomed.

As they don't have a lot of proper breeds over there its going to be a huge task for him to find something suibtable to work with to sort the wool issue out. Over here a lot of breeders prefer to work with single manes.

Paul those questions are fine to ask Phil. WHy not ask if he knows how much it would be to have them taken over to Ireland as well. He will help you as much as possible.

Remember you do not have to quarantine rabbits coming from the UK to Ireland or from the european countries It would just be from the US

Alicia we have a lot of colours coming on in the UK now for nethies and lops the reds are lovely I hope at some point to actually get bleu argente nethies to start over here they will get imported from Holland

Ok I contacted Jane Bramley. And she is being very helpful she will be able to give be some show quality rabbits and a breeding plan. I think she told me I would need to get show quality lionlops lionlops and mini lops because she said every 2nd or 3rd generation she crosses a mini lop into the line. And she has know stopped breeding lionheads so she can concentrate on lionlops. But the good news is that she sold her lionheads to a local girl and she will be diercting her so the line will stay good. So I plan to buy show quality lionlops, lionheads and a mini lop to get me started all from this women but It won't be till the summer. Does this plan seem ok to everyone?

 

[irishbunny]

Sounds good to me, as long as you know exactly how many you are bringing back and have that exact number of cages ready for when you come back, don't plan on bonding them because as you know there's a high chance that won't work. If you go ahead with this I may be buying rabbits from you in the future :biggrin2: