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Oh and since I got asked... I gave Lucas $300 of the $600, and we elected to donate the other $300 to our 4H program for add-ons at auction for our kids.

Thanks..

And now I really am going to the vet's...

A pig story for later...

Stay tuned..

Zin
 
Zin, that was really good that you gave Lucas half.

and a great way to "use" the other half!

Oh dear..... the pig..... and the vet? and....... oh boy.
 
Are you always this confrontational when someone doesn't agree with you or has a different viewpoint? Thats unfortunate, because it wasn't meant that way.

I do believe that the rabbits most likely have pastuerella, I did bother to read back, are you saying that I missed a post where you stated that you had a positive pastuerella test from a vet? If so I'm quite contrite, if not then still, you don't have proof in your hand that they have pastuerella. Could be Bordetella, could be staph, you posted the following -

Yanno we had 2 die, Rocky and Rico, but neither of their illnesses started with sneezes.

I think.. I can beat myself up about this, but I think the bottomline is, it's not a sanitary issue, it's not a herd issue... it's a genetic issue.

Rico was the bunny with just a rasp and clear nasal discharge, which had subsided in the last few days.

The deathly ill rabbit is well, and alert and happy...so I guess I should stop calling him the deathly ill rabbit.

Due to the fact that this is the 3rd bunny from the same breeder to die under strange circumstances.. strange being no valid reason why... he was shipped off to Texas A&M today.

The ill bunny, well formerly ill bunny, was from the same line, but born here to my doe.. still makes me question the breeder's line. It seems that while JH253 was a champ, and produced some champ offspring, they all seem to have premature deaths.

I can only go by what information you post, and while I don't doubt your word at all where's the proof? What you posted in earlier threads contradicts what your saying now, and you yourself are not even certain if it was genetic or not, your words, not mine. I'm not there, I have to listen to you to puzzle out what may or may not be happening.

Everyone in rabbits has a load of money sunk into them, rabbits are a bottomless pit, your lucky if you manage to sell enough to pay part of your feed bill, their a hobby, not a business. I never said you didn't deserve to recoup what you did. If you had tried to take him to court you would have needed proof that the rabbits had pastuerella, and that it was his fualt, and of course he could have brought up that you do rabbit rescue and that would have compromised your position. You may have walked away with little or nothing.

Now that you've mentioned the dogs I wondering if the problem wasn't bordetella, and very tight inbreeding for an extended time, or a genetic fault that was passed from rabbit to rabbit, they were all related.

It does sound like he's young and capable, but I give everyone the benefit of the doubt upfront, even people who strike out at others on faceless forums.

I did live in Houston, and coming from the North I was amazed at the kindness, graciousness and strength of the people I met there. I was most impressed with the women, tough and tenacious, but always polite to a fault. I geuss I sort of have a soft spot for Texans still.

So your fairly new to breeding rabbits, do you want to communicate with other rabbit breeders or be mad? There are so few sources out there for rabbit information, breeders are often cliqueish and close-mouthed, active forums like this are a rare find, and everyone has something that they can teach or share with others. I wish that there was a vaccine for rabbits for Pastuerella so that no one would have to deal with this again. There is one for sheep and cattle but its not really effective. Also, in case this helps you out, a friend of mine who bred Mini Rex had a line in which they would die at an early age, it was freaky, so she sent to auction everything she had from that line. It is possible.

I'm sorry if I upset you with my different view of the situation. I realize that all of your animals are very important to you and you were horribly upset by this guys cavalier attitude and actions. I really did not mean to offend you, I can be rather blunt and overly logical, and my inability to sugarcoat and empathize has bitten me in the butt before. We could try and call a truce, I'm really quite nice for a Yankee.

If your going to continue to be snarky when there was no offense meant well then I'm 'Mizz Tatertot' to you missy.








 
LOL.. I don't get mad...

Good to see you know how to read...

Being a Yankee isn't exactly the problem I have with you love.. I happen to be married to one, Indiana bred, Notre Dame Educated..

Let's just agree to disagree. I am new to breeding, not new to rabbit's. I was skeeved over you skewering me for getting an attorney after a moron, without even addressing the why's and why not's. I see your still not addressing them, as I pointed out in my later posts.

Nice usage of the word snarky. Spelled correctly and in the correct context.

And if you prefer, when I do elect to address you, I can call you Mizz Tatertot...

Yanno... my Momma always said, if you don't have anything nice to say...


Unfortunately, I always end it with *sit by me*

Zin
 
i wondered how this guy can show his rabbits? If there was a slightest snuffle off a rabbit in a show over here it would be kicked out.

I do agree that it can be very hard to get your foot in with breeding and showing its the same over here. Its hard to get good stock in the first place because until you prove you are serious you tend to not always get the best. Its up to you to keep folk sweet and do your research.

Zin i am not taking any opinion on whats been done. Its your rabbits and your decision, and in the same position i would be very annoyed too.I would however be very careful what you say to who at shows just to be on the safe side its surprising how cliquey it can be.
 
Bramblerose wrote:
Are you always this confrontational when someone doesn't agree with you or has a different viewpoint? Thats unfortunate, because it wasn't meant that way.
Lol that wasn't a confrontational post to Zin. That was a, I'm going to be nice but disagree with you post. For everybody: it sucks you can't figure out the tone of voice online but let's not assume that just because someone is disagreeing with you, it's an attack.
 
polly wrote:
I would however be very careful what you say to who at shows just to be on the safe side its surprising how cliquey it can be.

i agree some peeps will do anything to get there own back all i did at the last show i went to was win best lop and someone was jealous enough to cover poor midnight in alcohol hand wash b4 he was got back out for the challenges luckily his OK, but be very careful i would hate anything to happen to you or your buns its just not worth it

shelly

xx
 
I had this huge reply about all sorts of things and then I decided that this says it all:

He threw a dead rabbit back in with the live ones!!!!!

Do we even need to discuss this further???? That's absolutely disgusting!


 
Bo B Bunny wrote:
I had this huge reply about all sorts of things and then I decided that this says it all:

He threw a dead rabbit back in with the live ones!!!!!

Do we even need to discuss this further???? That's absolutely disgusting!

LMAO Bo you crack me up.
 
Bo B Bunny wrote:
I had this huge reply about all sorts of things and then I decided that this says it all:

He threw a dead rabbit back in with the live ones!!!!!

Do we even need to discuss this further???? That's absolutely disgusting!
Honestly, for me this was the clincher and biggest true show of character for the guy. After reading this, I decided he deserved anything that came his way in this. He so obviously doesn't care, either about their mental or physical health. Can you imagine? That whole time, they've been sitting there, upset about losing their friend...then horrified that they had to stay with their friend's dead body. Then the guy come by, takes the body out, they're relieved...but only for a short moment before they are horrified yet again at the body being thrown right back in.

The fact is, he just doesn't care. I agree with your actions, Zin...its' the one thing that has happened to cause him to be responsible in the least bit.

I feel so awful for those buns...I really really do. And honestly, I think that any arguing about any of this is pointless, and just adds more sadness to the whole scene. It's such a waste of energy when so many other buns need our time and attention...

Bottom line: This man doesn't care...and I really think that buns, above most other animals, is not an animal that can afford to not be cared about. Cats and dogs...most of them recover being forgotten. Buns...they just give up, and let go.

Hugs and love to you, Zin...you could use both with what you've been through. The heartache must be absolutely horrible...let me know if you need a friend to talk to, ok?

And hugs to all,

Rosie*
 
Holy, I read every single post in here and am left blown away by it all.

Let me state now, I am not a breeder and never have been. I have been a rabbit owner many times over in my life however and have such admiration for them. It's so heart wrenching to have read about the barn that man keeps.I recently lost my Dwarf Hotot to a urinary problem and I kept him separated from his bonded bunny pal Isis, my Holland Lop, simply because I was worried she would be upset by Prince's state of illness and impending death. Anyone who understands a rabbit, pet or stock, would know what kind of mental effect a dead body has on another rabbit who has lived next to that poorly fated rabbit. They are a social creature!

I get this image in my mind of the telepathic words being said among the rabbits in that barn, none are happy words. It makes me think of a prison honestly. A place of punishment.

My impressions of his barn are brought on by your descriptions Zin. I am no expert on respiratory illnesses, I can't say with any confidence what was really happening within that property but my goodness, it can't be anything professional for there to be such issues! Even in the case of a breeder'soutlook being that his/her rabbits are stock, in this case it sounds as though his ways are borderline abuse.

I know that even though you got some compensation with a little $600 payment, it can't cover the cost of the losses you've had due to this man's irresponsibility. He does need to quarantine and clean. He does need to strengthen the breeding. He has to be more diligent. Rabbits need near constant attention!! One day they are perfectly well, the next they can be deathly ill...as I've found out with the losses of a few of my past rabbits.

Like someone stated here in this thread, rabbits are a hobby, not a business. You can't treat them like shelf product and I wish that man had an inkling of intelligence so he could have made a wiser decision in his hobbies. Now that he's breeding dogs, will they take a back burner one day when he changes his mind on what animal he wishes to take a shine to?

Gawd.


As for the cattiness between you and Bramble and Pam, where are your allies when you need them if you can't take a diplomatic approach to things like this? People make mistakes, interpret typing differently than it was meant to be conveyed and take some points of a story like yours and feel their own emotions as well, just as I have. This is a sad thing, those rabbits are innocent and helpless to do anything about it. Let's all be on the same side hey? We are here for one another, not against one another.

Good on you for giving half the money you received to Lucas and the other to your 4H, that was a fantastic idea and a noble way to use it!

Here is a big hug from me and a nice kiss from Isis right on the tip of your nose straight from Canada!

:hugsquish::big kiss:

 
You're so right!

I was thinking how people do that sort of "business/commodity" thing.... and we have a saying in the sheep show group - "If you want to or expect to make money from sheep, think again." They cost us much more than we ever make. I would think bunnies are similar. We still love them tho :)
 
Darfi-You would be shocked at the amount of breeders/show folks that see them as a 'business' a commodity, whatever..but sure not a living breathing thing that has feelings. Alot won't do anything for a sick bun unless it is one of their prize ones....if they are sickly, that is their problem and they are left to die, survival of the fittest....alot won't evendo much if anything to find homes for the ones theybred that aren't show quality...then end upas meat, orin a hole...I know thatsounds awful, and all, but sadly its the harsh reality.

My thought is...if it wasn't for me having paired up these 2, this lil one wouldn't exist, just because its not the 'perfect show animal' doesn't mean its not worthy of a wonderful life of love. Thankfully I havevery good luck finding pet homes for my babies that aren't destined to the show table..and I raise a popular pet breed...I can't imagine doing anything else....I know my dear sweet Corky wouldn't be here today if whoever bred him originally had that mentality.

GoinBackToCali- kudoson calling this sick indvidualout and holding him responsible...will it change his ways...hard to say...but at least you didn't just walk away.
 
Actually, an update to this is in order.
He pulled down his website, and all his ads on all the breeder pages, as well as statewide online classifieds have been pulled down.

He also had listings on some well known online bunny rabbit supply stores. They are gone too.

He knew.. he absolutely knew what was going on. He had to have. The fact is, the person I portray in real life, is a different person than I actually am, hence why people act so shocked when they don't get to walk all over me. I may look like a friendly heifer.. but ya mess with the bull, your gonna get the horns.

The thing I cannot get over, and past, when I walked in, to my left there was a pretty lil big eyed mini rex staring at me. I cried before I went to sleep last night wondering what he did with him, I dreamed about rabbits last night. I dreamed about being on a sinking ship, with some sort of really mean Gestapo type faceless guy trying to keep my from leaving the ship, he wanted me and all the rabbits to remain on the ship. I remember carrying 2 giant Californians in my arms, and had my pockets stuffed with hundreds of mini rabbits, we jumped in the water and swam to England. Talk about symbolism in a dream.

I cried again when I woke up.

The reality is... as much money as he spent on his stock, he has prolly gone through and weeded out the sick, tried to salvage as much as he could, and left everybody else to fend for themselves. He never was one for medicating a rabbit. He was always one of the cut and dry, they are either sick or their not, they get knocked in the back of the head or not..there is no middle ground with him.

He has made me regret getting rabbits for my boys in the first place, and has seriously made me want to get out of it. I never want to be one of THOSE people.

On that note... my herd needs their evening treats...

Zin
 
GoinBackToCali wrote:
He has made me regret getting rabbits for my boys in the first place, and has seriously made me want to get out of it. I never want to be one of THOSE people.

On that note... my herd needs their evening treats...

Zin

Zin,

I don't think you ever could be one of those people - you are just so caring and sensitive with your animals.

I don't hang around with breeders much - I really don't. I don't like most breeders and I only have a small handful that I will even buy from due to their breeding practices, etc.

I have been at a point where things were at their worst - my cages were horrid and I was sort of nonfunctional for a while earlier this year. Its a long story - but when Ginger died - a big big piece of me died - and it took having Amy visit me this year really open my eyes (my family was trying so hard to protect me) and show me that I needed to change things.

Now I have a cleaning schedule and things are SO SO much better. My animals are in much better condition than they were and I was able to pull myself together and make things right. I look back at that point in my life and am ashamed of where I was at.

I say that to say - even caring people can let things get beyond "reasonable". I did....although it is better now.

But I don't think you'll ever get to that point - and even if you were to get to that point (which you wouldn't do)- you'll do what I did - you'll pull yourself back and recover.

Rabbits have given so much joy to your family - don't let one bad breeder spoil it for you. Continue to enjoy your rabbits...

Peg
 
Do you yourself have a website for your Rabbitry? Maybe you could start like a breeder review kind of like I did,.... like I made a links page but I don't let just anyone's banner/link on it and I say a little something about everyone based from my own personal XP's.
 

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