Help!

[pamnock]

Here's an update:

I received an envelope (appears to be from Nigeria) today from the alleged "Andy Cole". The envelope contained 3 money orders (that are actually worthless). Each money order totals $950 (total of $2850). The rabbits totaled $225 and he was supposed to send money for the "shipper", although never specified how much.

I have emailed him to let him know I received "payment" and am awaiting reply.

I showed the money orders to the bank. They said there is no way for them to verifythat they are fakewithout actually depositing them and paying the $10 fee when they don't clear. They did say that I could try contacting Western Union. The bank does turn all evidence in to the FBI to keep on file.

Pam

 

[Bo B Bunny]

WOW! I'm glad you mentioned it as well. They do that stuff all the time and are just trying to get money from you. Be very careful selling things online - too many creeps and crooks.

 

[pamnock]

I just called Western Union and they said there is no way to detect visually whether or not the money orders are valid because the scammers actually often use real money orders, thenwash out thetrue amount and substitute the invalid amount.

So, will just wait for further instructions from "Andy" which will probably entail me now mailing the extra $2625 to the "shipper" (After cashing in the money orders and writing a check from my own account). The scam artistswould then cash the check before the money orders "bounced" through my bank.

Of course, it should strike most people as odd that the purchaser wouldn't just pay the shipper themselves.

Pam

 

[pamnock]

Have received a reply from "Andy" who has suddenly gotten very talkative and wants to move things right along. As expected, he wants me to send money transfer of $2,200 to third party (his "shipper") -- IMMEDIATELY -- as the rabbits will be picked up this weekend. Holy cow! That means I would have to deposit funds and wire the money today. :disgust:Yeah- right.

Pam



Hi Pam,
Thanks for confirming the receipt of the payment $2850......
Now that you have the payment, you are to deduct the sum of $300 which is the cost of the rabbits and vet papers and all other miscelleneous expenses, while the sum of $2,200 is to be made available via WESTERN UNION MONEY TRANSFER to the freight hauler who will be coming over for the rabbit's pick up..He (freight handler) will have to start all the necessary preparation as regards the pick up of the rabbits..We have concluded that the rabbits will have to travel with him down here in an airconditioned compartment and also in the aircraft..

Kindly get all the necessary papers ready as i would like to have the rabbits down here as soon as possible...

Here is the informations you are to use in sending the funds to the freight hauler as he would need to pick the funds up as soon as possible so that he can commence the preparation as regards the pick up and also he is making arrangement to buy more cages for me from the United Kingdom.......

Name; DANIEL ELSAVADOR
Address; 38 Banthlon street,
SX4 7HL
London
United Kingdom

You are to get back to me with the following informations so that i can get them across to the freight hauler ( Mr DANIEL ELSAVADOR ) and he would be able to pick the funds up and start all the neceesary preparation...

Name of Sender;
Address of Sender;
AMount Sent(After transfer charges has been deducted)
MTCN(10 digits Number)


I will be waiting to have all these informations later today as the rabbits will be picked up this weekend....

Thanks,

Andy

NB.
A scanned copy of the western union receipt should be attached to your reply.

 

[Spring]

Oo, I'm just beginning to understand this.

So, ifyou were looking to 'scam' the scammer, couldn't you just cash the money orders he sent to you and be done with it (if the money orders, were real that is) or do they have to be validated?

So would you actuallymeet someone when they came to pick up the rabbits? He's probably thinking your a sucker for believing his little scam, but he's the one being played out!

I'd never sell anything internationally, so many scams out there!

It's quite confusing, don't know if I understand it 100% but it makes sense of how theycan to do it.

 

[pamnock]

Spring wrote:

Oo, I'm just beginning to understand this.

So, ifyou were looking to 'scam' the scammer, couldn't you just cash the money orders he sent to you and be done with it (if the money orders, were real that is) or do they have to be validated?

So would you actuallymeet someone when they came to pick up the rabbits? He's probably thinking your a sucker for believing his little scam, but he's the one being played out!

I'd never sell anything internationally, so many scams out there!

It's quite confusing, don't know if I understand it 100% but it makes sense of how theycan to do it.

I can cash the money orders through my bank -- however, they are not valid, and my bank will expect the money back when the money orders don't clear. There is also a $10 fee for each money order that doesn't clear.

I did email "Andy" back explaining that I am leaving for a family reunion and will contact him again on Monday.

He is insisting that I wire the $2200 right now to the "shipper".

The scam lies in the fact that the money orders are actually very well done fakes. The money orders are worth nothing. Because of this, the scammer wants me to send over $2000 to his "shipper"immediately -- before I find out that the money orders are no good. He makes a profit -- I would lose over $2000.

There is no actual shipper coming out to my house -- the scammer had no interest in buying any rabbits.

Here's his most recent email:

Hi Pam,

Good to hear from you again. Kindly make the funds availableto the freighthandler today. With this he can finalise on the purchase of the cages and later check on you either on tuesday or wednesday for the pick up of the rabbits.

Thanks for your understanding,

Andy

 

[Eve]

That's shocking :shock:. Is there any way you would be able to report this and get these people in trouble?

 

[pamnock]

They can be reported to the FBI, but at this point, no crime has actually been committed - I'm not out any money. The volumn of complaints is overwhelming and it's difficult to catch and prosecute the foreign perps.Here's more info on reporting such scams http://www.nigerianspam.com/file-a-complaint.html



Pam

 

[Eve]

Thank you forthe information and thelink Pam!

 

[SunnieBunnie Rabbitry]

pamnock wrote:

Spring wrote:

Oo, I'm just beginning to understand this.

So, ifyou were looking to 'scam' the scammer, couldn't you just cash the money orders he sent to you and be done with it (if the money orders, were real that is) or do they have to be validated?

So would you actuallymeet someone when they came to pick up the rabbits? He's probably thinking your a sucker for believing his little scam, but he's the one being played out!

I'd never sell anything internationally, so many scams out there!

It's quite confusing, don't know if I understand it 100% but it makes sense of how theycan to do it.

I can cash the money orders through my bank -- however, they are not valid, and my bank will expect the money back when the money orders don't clear. There is also a $10 fee for each money order that doesn't clear.

I would advise NOT to depositANY Money Orders from potential scammers... not only will you be charged your "uncleared deposit" fee... but YOU will be charged with attempting to cash a Fraudulent Check. You're now guilty of a Felony.

:nopeI wouldn't risk it ... I'd just turn everything over (including IP addresses) to the FBI... let them "cash" it and attempt to catch these :censored2themselves.


~Sunshine

 

[pamnock]

Both Western Union as well as my bank said there was no problem with me attempting to put themoney orderthrough as long as I didn't write any checks out of my account on that amount. I would only be charged a $10 fee when the money orders don't clear.

Pam

 

[Bramble Briar86]

Any more news, Pam?

Ellie

 

[pamnock]

At this point, I am at the end of my "project". "Andy" had wanted me to wire the money immediately (before I would have a chance to find out that the money orders were no good). I'm not going to email him back - I'll let you know if he makes contact again.

Pam

 

[pamnock]

Just heard from him again -- said he's waiting to hear of confirmation that I've wired the money. I'm going to email him back and tell him I'm waiting for the money orders to clear the bank and I'll send funds as soon as that happens. I'm sure I'll never hear from him again LOL

Pam

 

[pamnock]

SunnieBunnie Rabbitry wrote:

:nopeI wouldn't risk it ... I'd just turn everything over (including IP addresses) to the FBI... let them "cash" it and attempt to catch these :censored2themselves.


~Sunshine

Unfortunately, these guys are generally very mobile. They work from internet cafes and continually change location and addresses making them nearly impossible to track. It can often be difficult to even track theirtrue country of origin. (Some have actually been traced back to the US despite using foreign addresses).

There are a lot of scam baiting experts that make quite a sport of scamming the scammers and wasting their time

More info on the money order scams:

http://www.bloombank.com/alert/usps.html





Pam

 

[pamnock]

"Andy" is getting really sick of waitingLOL I finally broke the news to him that I'mwaiting on the funds to be paid out by Western Union so I'm sure that Ihave the funds before withdrawing the $2200. I doubt thatI'll hear from him again.

Hi,

Its over 72 hours since you deposited the paymentand it would have cleared your bank. Kindly confirm from your bank as iwant this transaction completed as soon as possible.

Kind Regards,

Andy

 

[Spring]

I hate how he always uses 'kindly', like a morepolite demand. Hehe, I think he'll knownot to bother youafter this because you know his little scam!

 

[KimboUNCW1]

I recently put an ad on petclassifieds andpetfinder for a couple of my buns just to see who I would get. I didn'tput local but look at some that I got!

gooday,
i saw your pets profile and will want o go for the adoption of thepet.
i live inohio and also a pet lover.
i need the adoption fee ur name and adress so i can proceed with the payment and also pics if available.
i will be making pick up arrangements and wil be paying for the delivery cost as am indeed pregant.
i live i my own house and also a mother of 3 with the least 12yrs.
hope the pet is i good shape.
i assure the pet a forevr loving home by me and my entire family.
thanks a lot.
mrs beauty daniels
__________________________________________________

Looking for your pet as my best companion
With sound of good health. I would like to re-home your lovely pet to
become
part of my loving and caring family. I want to make your pet a friend
and a
companion. I'm us citizen. I live at delray beach FL, but presently in
ontario canada to accept a job offer with the american christian
missionary
as a Clergyman. I'm happily married with a kid and 2 house maids. I
lost my
most adorable pet some couple of days ago due to old age. I can assure
you a
100% loving forever home for your pet. Pls, briefly tell me these:
adoption
fees,mode of feeding, present health condition, breed, and pic if
available.
I have a viable and reliable pet carrier that will come to visit you
face to
face for the pick-up. I wait to hear back from you so that i can inform
a
Church member to issue out the payment. But for the payment, you have
to
forward your name,address and your phone number so that a certified
money
order/CK will be issue on your behalf which'll cover the adoption fees
+
$50 as reward offer for the up bringing of the pet + the shipping fees.
I'll
forward the pictures of me, my house and my famly so that you can rest
assure that your pet is coming to a loving family. We cares for your
pet.
______________________________________________________________

Hello ,
Am Raymond ,Am interested in buying yourpet .I live with my wife and two kids.Dont have anypet at the moment ,there is a wide compund with fence yard for the petto run round and play .
The pet will live in the house with me and will be treated as a family pet .
I would like to know the final price for the pet ,pls sendphotos also if any available .mail back very soon.
God bless you.
Raymond.

_______________________________________________________________

HappyNew Year
Am interested in adopt your pet which i saw on the internet
(petfinder.com) and i would like to know the conditions ofthe pet, and probably arrange for payment to get to youasapand also arrangefor the pick up once payment isconfirmed by you. ( I BASED IN DALLAS WITH MY FAMILY ) Pleaseacknowledge the offer and i will have the funds remitted to you as soonas possible, and i'll like this transaction to
be kept in outmost trust, Kindly reply back to me with your last asking
price ? also a picture of the pet, I promise
the pet a lovely home. Thanks and God Bless..... ..........
Regards,

___________________________________________________________________





my favorite was this one lol:

GOOD DAY SIR

My Name is Mr Marvell Wilkin from Salk lake City ,Utah . Itsjust to tell you that am interested in adopting/buying your petfor mydaughter whom her pet just died last week.She's not feeling well cosshe dosen't have any pet to be with while she returned from schooleveryday and she's the only daughter of the family . So i will be gladif you can allow me to adopt the petfor her, so that she canstart feelin fine again and i dont want you to worry about the pick upof he pet.. there's a pet pick up company in Salk lake City ,Utah thatwill come down for the pet to be pick up.. i Just want to know if thepet is in good health condition and you tell me the final amount of thepet to be adopted and the pics of the pet ifavailable .. so i want you to reply me soon

Best Regards
Marvel

_________________________________________________________________



lol sir?? that one was my favorite! i'm not about to ship any of myanimals on a plane to a stranger i'm sorry. some people can, but i justdont trust people enough :?

 

[KimboUNCW1]

i just got this one lol

Dear Friend.

In presume that you are doing ok ,I am very happy to inform you aboutmy success in getting the transaction concluded and the fundstransferred under the help of a new partner from Kuwait.

Presently I'm in Japan doing investment in real estate with my ownshare of the funds.Meanwhile I didn't forget all your past efforts sonow that God has helped me to conclude the transaction successfully,out of my goodwill I will like you to contact my secretary for yourcompensation token.

His name is: Mr.Mark John His email address is( [email protected] )

and ask him to release to you a Certified Bank Draft Check of USD $800,000.00 which I kept for you as your compensation for all your pastefforts and attempt to assist me in concluding the transaction.

Thank you.

Yours Truly
Mr.Richard Mark







weird!! 800,000 puh lease lol

 

[kirinsangel]

I like to have fun with these bozos. Itell them some I will only accept western union money transfers fromoverseas/out of state(depending upon the scam). Other I tellthat any money sent over the cost of rabbits and vet, etc, Ikeep. But my favorite is I tell them to send the money order/cashiers check to their financer/shipper and to have the person whowill pick up the rabbits pay me in cash.

I wonder why they dont respond.

Sara