Haemorrhage Entercolitis

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Munchkin

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In work we are losing bunnies from the same litter over the last 2 weeks. We are down to the last two - I hope I got them in time, by insisting they went to the vets today, on the first sign of one of them getting bloated.

The vet did an autopsy on the body of one of the other rabbits, and today,while I was there, I asked them to write the name of their prognosis. It was haemorrhage entercolitis.

Now the vets aren't particularly rabbit savvy over here, so I'm hoping one of our rabbit experts can give me some advice, areas to investigate etc to try to save the remaining bunnies, and any who may go down with this in future - it's not the first time, and with the crap care they get in my work - it won't be the last :(

Thanks for all and any advice.
 
ps - I bought infacol (simethecone) and gave it to the vets with the bunnies, and asked them to give them metacam for pain relief, and fluids. I'm pretty sure Randy has said fluids are the most important thing in recovery.

Anyways - hopefully I got that right.
 
Clostridium is one cause of cecal hemorrhage and edema in young rabbits. Treatment can be difficult. Contributing factors can include stress from weather changes, viral outbreaks, feed changes, weaning, parasites, antibiotic therapy, and genetic pre-disposition.

Many other bacterial infections as well as protozoalinfections can cause similar symptoms.

Broad spectrum antibiotic therapy can sometimes be helpful during an outbreak.

Pam
 
Thanks for the advice Pam.
I'm gonna check if the breeders are feeding the same food as we give the kits when they come in - in case that might be a problem.

Also, and I addressed this before - one of our assistant managers has been telling people not to feed rabbits for 24 hours after bringing home - they are also doing this as company policy when all new kits arrive with us....these kits have travelled from the Uk mainland to get to us. I'm pretty sure this is not good practice, but as I was told it's company policy - I need proper advice as to why they should not be doing it, and to be sure of my facts.

I just want these poor babies sorted, and to get to the root cause of this illness. When they first came in to us they were all perfectly healthy, alert, eating, happy...and all of a sudden in a matter of days went downhill.

Also tundrakatiebean, thanks for keeping them in your thoughts. One in particular was going downhill pretty fast today. I just hope they stabilised her - I left them with the vets overnight.
 
Oh no! :( I have no clue about how to treat them, but I hope things turn out ok. :pray:

And yes, vets are awful here. :tears2:
 
My personal vets are not too bad but very expensive, but of course my boss wouldn't pay for that.
The vets don't even have gut motility drugs in this place we take the store buns, and I really don't feel secure that they know what the best treatment is.

This is so frustrating. I wish someone would report our shop to the rspca or RWA or head office or something, so things might change. I feel like I'm banging my head against a brick wall, but I need the job and the only way out is to find work somewhere else - but then where does that leave the poor bunnies?
 
Oh, Munchkin...how frustrating that has to be for you...:(

I'll keep the buns in my prayers...and you, too! :hug::pray::hearts
 
Munchkin wrote:
Also, and I addressed this before - one of our assistant managers has been telling people not to feed rabbits for 24 hours after bringing home - they are also doing this as company policy when all new kits arrive with us....these kits have travelled from the Uk mainland to get to us. I'm pretty sure this is not good practice, but as I was told it's company policy - I need proper advice as to why they should not be doing it, and to be sure of my facts.



Kits should be provided with the same food that they are used to. Hay can be provided during those first 24 hours, when they may be stressed in their new environment and reluctant to eat.

It is not advised to withhold food.

Electrolytes can also be put into the water.

Pam


 
Hi,

First and foremost....don't ever under any circumstances use gut motility drugs....on any rabbit for any reason. They are nothing but bad news. The idea of using gutmotility drugs are an outdated and incorrect treatment from the times when a rabbit was thought to be identical to a cat. A gut motility issue is not your problem....it's a bacterial issue. And if you use motility drugs, it usually results in very bad things. When you combine gut motility drugs with this condition, there is usually only one result.

Since you said these are kits....I suspect you are most likely losing them around weaning. The condition is generally known as enterotoxemia. I think Pam mentioned that it is usually an overgrowth of the pathogen Clostridium. Again as Pam mentioned, there are numerous possible causes. The most likely in weaning kits is caused by the quick pH conversion of the GI tract. This conversion from a baby gut to an adult gut causes severe stress in theGI which results in an out of balance bacterial count. There is a drug, metronidazole (flagyl), that is very good at targeting these toxic bacteria. However, by the time you realize there is a problem the damage is done. The best treatment for this condition is prevention. Stress free environment with proper food. I have been doing some test runs with weaning cottontails. Their guts are identical to domestics but they do wean earlier. Many cottontails are lost about 21 days old (and the reason very few rehabbers will treat cottontails). I start manually converting the pH in the gut starting about day 10 of their life. I control the acid content of the conversion and this allows ample time for the beneficial bacteria to adapt and survive the conversion process. This is very critical in dealing with "pinkies" in which they have received very little or no cecals from their mother....or in domestics if their mother is unhealthy. I think I have what I call the "21 Day Terror Protocols" on a disk somewhere around here....if I can find it. It is a detailed explanation and test protocols I used in the initialgrouping of the pH manipulation runs in weaning cottontails. It was written in technical terms for use by wildlife vets. I'll see if I can find them and edit them for domestics and for language we can all understand and relate too...might take a while to do that. Once this bacteria takes hold, the prognosis is grave. We have had some very hardy cottontails...and a few domestics....survive by being given massive doses of lactated ringers along with heavy doses of flagyl...but even with heroic measures, in reality very few have survived.

As far as your asst. manager's holding food for 24 hrs....rabbits should never be fasted for any reason. As Pam mentioned, they might not eat a lot from stress...but offer it anyway and lots of water with electrolytes as mentioned also. I might suggest to your asst. manager some additional training.

Randy
 
That would be a really great read, Randy...

You should write a book! :)
 
Our asst manager is in need of a good slap if we are being honest. Anyway - I'm relating ALL this advice to my manager tomorrow, and I'm also going to tell him I'm taking it to head office if it's not dealt with. I am also looking for a new job...

I'd really appreciate your sharing that info when you have time, Randy - thank you so much for the frank and well presented information you have already given, and to Pam too. I don't know what I'd do without this forum and the info it provides when in need of help.

The rabbits are being picked up from the vets today, and I'll see how they are tomorrow.

Only specialists should be allowed sell rabbits imo - not money hungry business men.


 
Hi guys,

Wanted to thank you all for the healing vibes - both the rabbits came back from the vets looking good again.
I have left strict instructions for weekend staff with the words "If these rabbits are ill on monday I will hurt you" in an effort to make them realise this is serious.

The vets gave them avipro - a probiotic for the drinking water, and baytril, and have told us to continue with the infacol as necessary.

The ass manager is not speaking to me, but I've gone past caring. Had I listened to her - both those babies would have been past saving.

Keep the healing vibes for them to get over the weekend! Both were alert and lovely again today. I am so pleased. xx
 

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