SOOOSKA
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TuckerBunz, I hope you get him.
ray: He's adorable.
Susan
ray: He's adorable.Susan
Frederick, MD AC: Many precious bunnies!
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Strongheart
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Well looks like Drue is going to be a tarheel
MoeJoe -- can we communicate offlist about fostering? My email is in my profile. Thanks!
MoeJoe -- can we communicate offlist about fostering? My email is in my profile. Thanks!
Strongheart
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The girl who adopted Frosty is trying to rehome him and her female rabbit, whom I bonded him to, on Craig's List in violation of her contract with the shelter!
Please flag her post!
http://baltimore.craigslist.org/pet/1184988289.html
She only adopted the male within the last year and the real reason for her and her father's allergies are the 11 rats which are also in her room but whom she obviously favors over the rabbits!!!
This is the worst possible thing she could do, try to find homes for them on her own when she has absolutely no idea how to conduct an adoption - and that aside, she is violating her contract ILLEGALLY!
Please flag her post!
http://baltimore.craigslist.org/pet/1184988289.html
She only adopted the male within the last year and the real reason for her and her father's allergies are the 11 rats which are also in her room but whom she obviously favors over the rabbits!!!
This is the worst possible thing she could do, try to find homes for them on her own when she has absolutely no idea how to conduct an adoption - and that aside, she is violating her contract ILLEGALLY!
pla725
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The female hotot looks like she had a healing bite wound between eyes. That isn't from overgrooming.
Strongheart
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No it's not from overgrooming and she doesn't take them to a real exotics vet although she's been referred to several.
It's probably a bite wound from an unaltered rabbit of her brother's who she was stupidly trying to bond with them. She told me about it and I said no way can that work!
Please flag her post on CL! as prohibited!
It's probably a bite wound from an unaltered rabbit of her brother's who she was stupidly trying to bond with them. She told me about it and I said no way can that work!
Please flag her post on CL! as prohibited!
pla725
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Have you reminded her that she is violating her adoption contract? I have contacted people on CL who said they got their rabbit through a rescue. I reminded them that they have to return the rabbit to that rescue as per their agreement.
Where did she get the Hotot from?
Where did she get the Hotot from?
Strongheart
Well-Known Member
The hotot she got at a pet store.
pla725
Well-Known Member
I would send a certified letter regarding the violation. I'm not sure what other legal recourse you might have other than going to the home to get the rabbit or rabbits.
I'm guessing the individual in question also posts on this board. I just saw her earlier adoption post.
I'm guessing the individual in question also posts on this board. I just saw her earlier adoption post.
Strongheart
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yes she was on this board, where is her post you mention?
she signed a contract giving the shelter the right to go to her premises and remove the animal if she has violated the contract. i can also blacklist her with all the shelters in the state! she keeps getting more and more rats but no she's not rehoming them!
she signed a contract giving the shelter the right to go to her premises and remove the animal if she has violated the contract. i can also blacklist her with all the shelters in the state! she keeps getting more and more rats but no she's not rehoming them!
Pipp
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No offense, but I'd rather this board didn't get a one-sided view of what appears to be a dispute between a rescue and adopter.
This is the thread about this person thinking of rehoming her rabbits.
http://rabbitsonline.net/view_topic.php?id=46294&forum_id=1&jump_to=623395#p623395
I truly believe this is an easy-to-resolve issue with communication, understanding and a little mediation. Coming here to rally the troops to flag a Craigslist post, calling into question this family's honesty about their situation or threats to blackball the person throughout the state won't accomplish anything for the rabbits.
If the issue is the rescue not having a say in who adopts these rabbits, I'm sure if the person was approached in a non-judgmental and civil manner, she'd have no reason not to agree to let the rescue have a hand either rehoming the rabbits or helping find a workable, non-judgmental solution.
Your comments about this family border on a personal attack, and while it may be hurtful to the rescue if this person is choosing rats over the bunnies, it is their right.
Arguments like these don't help the rabbits, nor will it help encourage other people to adopt from rescues, or prevent others in similar situations from 'dumping' rescue rabbits or finding other ways to rehome them rather than returning them to the rescue where they may be vilified for their actions.
Looking at the bright side, this rabbit got a foster home for a year and the rescue got a fee. And you have someone willing to help find another placement.
Please open up civil lines of communication. I'm sure this can be worked out.
sas
This is the thread about this person thinking of rehoming her rabbits.
http://rabbitsonline.net/view_topic.php?id=46294&forum_id=1&jump_to=623395#p623395
I truly believe this is an easy-to-resolve issue with communication, understanding and a little mediation. Coming here to rally the troops to flag a Craigslist post, calling into question this family's honesty about their situation or threats to blackball the person throughout the state won't accomplish anything for the rabbits.
If the issue is the rescue not having a say in who adopts these rabbits, I'm sure if the person was approached in a non-judgmental and civil manner, she'd have no reason not to agree to let the rescue have a hand either rehoming the rabbits or helping find a workable, non-judgmental solution.
Your comments about this family border on a personal attack, and while it may be hurtful to the rescue if this person is choosing rats over the bunnies, it is their right.
Arguments like these don't help the rabbits, nor will it help encourage other people to adopt from rescues, or prevent others in similar situations from 'dumping' rescue rabbits or finding other ways to rehome them rather than returning them to the rescue where they may be vilified for their actions.
Looking at the bright side, this rabbit got a foster home for a year and the rescue got a fee. And you have someone willing to help find another placement.
Please open up civil lines of communication. I'm sure this can be worked out.
sas
pla725
Well-Known Member
I'm going to back out of this.
Strongheart
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This is not an issue between an adopter and a rescue, first of all.
The adopter signed a legally binding contract, with witnesses, with Frederick County Animal Control, a branch of the Frederick County Government. She agreed to always house the animals inside, as all animals adopted from there are required to be housed, and she agreed to return the animals should she not be able to keep them. I was in charge of the adoption and still am, the decision to adopt to her was mine to approve or disapprove as an agent of the shelter.
I bonded the rabbits for her at my house. I fostered the one rabbit and took care of him for months at my home and took him to be neutered and rehabilitated him.
I also emailed her with a multitude of suggestions and solutions over a period of weeks when the problem first came up with her. She did not take a single suggestion. She also promised to keep me in the loop and even I offered to place the rabbits on my rescue website to help her find a home for them which more people would rather do from a reputable rescue who takes them to qualified rabbit vets than from an individual who has little to NO experience in rehoming an animal. God forbid they should end up with a class B dealer. Then I find that she is using various forums to ILLEGALLY try to rehome them without even notifying me.
She is not within her rights at all and I beg to differ with you. I have already reported her to that shelter as I will to her own county shelter and another shelter she has adopted from in the past as obviously the contracts these shelters have mean nothing to her. If the owner of this forum has no regard for these legal processes, I can only disagree with it. And note this forum's usefulness (or rather lack of) in the future.
The adopter signed a legally binding contract, with witnesses, with Frederick County Animal Control, a branch of the Frederick County Government. She agreed to always house the animals inside, as all animals adopted from there are required to be housed, and she agreed to return the animals should she not be able to keep them. I was in charge of the adoption and still am, the decision to adopt to her was mine to approve or disapprove as an agent of the shelter.
I bonded the rabbits for her at my house. I fostered the one rabbit and took care of him for months at my home and took him to be neutered and rehabilitated him.
I also emailed her with a multitude of suggestions and solutions over a period of weeks when the problem first came up with her. She did not take a single suggestion. She also promised to keep me in the loop and even I offered to place the rabbits on my rescue website to help her find a home for them which more people would rather do from a reputable rescue who takes them to qualified rabbit vets than from an individual who has little to NO experience in rehoming an animal. God forbid they should end up with a class B dealer. Then I find that she is using various forums to ILLEGALLY try to rehome them without even notifying me.
She is not within her rights at all and I beg to differ with you. I have already reported her to that shelter as I will to her own county shelter and another shelter she has adopted from in the past as obviously the contracts these shelters have mean nothing to her. If the owner of this forum has no regard for these legal processes, I can only disagree with it. And note this forum's usefulness (or rather lack of) in the future.
Pipp
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Strongheart wrote:
Of course the rescue is within it's legal right to take the rabbit back, her post stated she would be contacting the rescue and obviously you have been dealing with her, so obviously it deteriorated from there.
Your posts here were far from civil, what led to that is anybody's guess, but if it's progressed to a battle of wills or a mess of hurt feelings, neither are helping the rabbits (or shedding a great light on the adopter OR the rescue).
You are also well within your rights and obligations to report a seemingly irresponsible adopter to other agencies. You do not have to publicly broadcast this information, however. The rabbits were well cared for, they received proper housing, food and vet care. Her 'crime' is that she doesn't want them anymore. And yes, she has that right.
Irresponsible? Very possible. Worth a public lynching? No.
There are a lot of rabbits in serious trouble out there, this time and space can be better spent.
You lost me and probably most of the members reading this with your last line. I assume you mean that because the forum owner urged you to try and mediate the situation and refrain from personal attacks, that we are now somehow a target.
I can't imagine anything less helpful for the rabbits. I will strongly urge you to set aside whatever issues you now have with RO and continue posting. The rabbits need every small chance they can get for not only potential homes, but proper care and advocacy.
They are not combatants.
sas :tears2:
Of course the rescue is within it's legal right to take the rabbit back, her post stated she would be contacting the rescue and obviously you have been dealing with her, so obviously it deteriorated from there.
Your posts here were far from civil, what led to that is anybody's guess, but if it's progressed to a battle of wills or a mess of hurt feelings, neither are helping the rabbits (or shedding a great light on the adopter OR the rescue).
You are also well within your rights and obligations to report a seemingly irresponsible adopter to other agencies. You do not have to publicly broadcast this information, however. The rabbits were well cared for, they received proper housing, food and vet care. Her 'crime' is that she doesn't want them anymore. And yes, she has that right.
Irresponsible? Very possible. Worth a public lynching? No.
There are a lot of rabbits in serious trouble out there, this time and space can be better spent.
You lost me and probably most of the members reading this with your last line. I assume you mean that because the forum owner urged you to try and mediate the situation and refrain from personal attacks, that we are now somehow a target.
I can't imagine anything less helpful for the rabbits. I will strongly urge you to set aside whatever issues you now have with RO and continue posting. The rabbits need every small chance they can get for not only potential homes, but proper care and advocacy.
They are not combatants.
sas :tears2:
Strongheart
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LET ME SAY AGAIN------
SHE ADOPTED FROM A
GOVERNMENT FACILITY
NOT A RESCUE
I am not the one violating my contract and totally disregarding the advice being offered. Nothing deteriorated. I had been communicating with her for weeks and she thanked me over and over and then does whatever she pleases.
But apparently whatever one does, unless you are a rescue or shelter, is just fine with you Pipp!
Good luck with RO!
SHE ADOPTED FROM A
GOVERNMENT FACILITY
NOT A RESCUE
I am not the one violating my contract and totally disregarding the advice being offered. Nothing deteriorated. I had been communicating with her for weeks and she thanked me over and over and then does whatever she pleases.
But apparently whatever one does, unless you are a rescue or shelter, is just fine with you Pipp!
Good luck with RO!
Pipp
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Strongheart wrote:
This is such a moot point, it only serves to further your attempts to 'fight'. With everybody.
The only point that matters is that a couple of rabbits need to be re-homed. Whatever agency facilitated the adoption I'm sure would be welcome to either take the rabbits back or have a say in where and how they will be re-homed and see the legal obligation. If the adopter doesn't want the rabbits, she has no reason not to want this to happen. This is such a small potatoes issue. Talk to each other in a civil, non-confrontation manner and there is absolutely no reason to not have this happen.
Just start over. Find middle ground. Don't bring up the past. If somebody doesn't like Plan A, don't get bent out of shape, move on to Plan B. Maybe Plan A will end up looking better if it's not proving a point.
When I see attitudes like yours in rescue -- and they are sadly very common -- I'm always afraid that a nose will be cut off to spite a face. I can see either side wanting to keep or seize the rabbits based on hurt feelings.
Patti, you've re-homed what... 50 rabbits or more this year? That's awesome. But clashes like these are counter-productive. It scares people away. Twenty more rabbits that may have been surrendered somewhere safe will be let loose in a field by others who want to avoid the lynchings and the fights.
It's just not worth it.
sas
This is such a moot point, it only serves to further your attempts to 'fight'. With everybody.
The only point that matters is that a couple of rabbits need to be re-homed. Whatever agency facilitated the adoption I'm sure would be welcome to either take the rabbits back or have a say in where and how they will be re-homed and see the legal obligation. If the adopter doesn't want the rabbits, she has no reason not to want this to happen. This is such a small potatoes issue. Talk to each other in a civil, non-confrontation manner and there is absolutely no reason to not have this happen.
Just start over. Find middle ground. Don't bring up the past. If somebody doesn't like Plan A, don't get bent out of shape, move on to Plan B. Maybe Plan A will end up looking better if it's not proving a point.
When I see attitudes like yours in rescue -- and they are sadly very common -- I'm always afraid that a nose will be cut off to spite a face. I can see either side wanting to keep or seize the rabbits based on hurt feelings.
Patti, you've re-homed what... 50 rabbits or more this year? That's awesome. But clashes like these are counter-productive. It scares people away. Twenty more rabbits that may have been surrendered somewhere safe will be let loose in a field by others who want to avoid the lynchings and the fights.
It's just not worth it.
sas
Strongheart
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It is not a moot point.
You don't even know the details yet you generalize and make sweeping assumptions. You are anti-rescue anyway, so you are biased.
I won't be checking back to see your reply!
You know that we disagree on many other points including keeping rabbits outside, but if someone disagrees with you, they're fighting.
Good luck with your forum!
You don't even know the details yet you generalize and make sweeping assumptions. You are anti-rescue anyway, so you are biased.
I won't be checking back to see your reply!
You know that we disagree on many other points including keeping rabbits outside, but if someone disagrees with you, they're fighting.
Good luck with your forum!
Pipp
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Yes, I should find out more details, I'm not picking sides, and sorry if I appeared to be. I'm siding with the rabbits.
I haven't disagreed with anything you've said. All I've done is ask for civil discourse.
And on the topic of sweeping assumptions, I've never advocated keeping rabbits outside except under specific conditions: 1) the rabbits are large and can handle the weather, 2) their habitat is completely protected from predators, 3) there is health and welfare supervision, and 4) the alternative is euthanization.
But again you're just bringing up points as weapons, and none of this helps the rabbits in this topic.
And most certainly leaving the forum and its potential adopters, donors, volunteers and word-of-mouth supporters could be classified as cutting off your nose to spite your face, but unfortunately the damage being done is to the rabbits.
But I couldn't and wouldn't say that rescue is better off without you. The job you've done has been tremendous.
But if you ever do end up not being able to save just one rabbit, if somebunny you want desperately to save gets euthanized in the future, at that time think back on the people you've parted with acrimoniously -- maybe another rescuer, or a fosterer or a member of this forum -- who could have stepped in to help.
Think very hard about that one rabbit. And ask yourself if it was worth it.
sas :sad:
I haven't disagreed with anything you've said. All I've done is ask for civil discourse.
And on the topic of sweeping assumptions, I've never advocated keeping rabbits outside except under specific conditions: 1) the rabbits are large and can handle the weather, 2) their habitat is completely protected from predators, 3) there is health and welfare supervision, and 4) the alternative is euthanization.
But again you're just bringing up points as weapons, and none of this helps the rabbits in this topic.
And most certainly leaving the forum and its potential adopters, donors, volunteers and word-of-mouth supporters could be classified as cutting off your nose to spite your face, but unfortunately the damage being done is to the rabbits.
But I couldn't and wouldn't say that rescue is better off without you. The job you've done has been tremendous.
But if you ever do end up not being able to save just one rabbit, if somebunny you want desperately to save gets euthanized in the future, at that time think back on the people you've parted with acrimoniously -- maybe another rescuer, or a fosterer or a member of this forum -- who could have stepped in to help.
Think very hard about that one rabbit. And ask yourself if it was worth it.
sas :sad:
slavetoabunny
Well-Known Member
Pipp wrote:
I hope that Strongheart's name is Patti also and you're not confusing her with me??
bunnymommyv
New Member
I agree with Pipp we need to hear both sides of the story. Who are we to judge anyone without out all the information from both sides. Berating and being condescending to people we don't know not only hurts innocent people but makes people stay away from these forums and rescues because they are afraid the same thing might happen to them. Obviously this person was good enough to be approved to adopt in the first place with such a careful screening process. It's not her fault family members are sick because of the bunny. How do we know for sure that all the things that are being said viciously about this family are even true. How do we know her dad hasn't been tested and her? Until all details are proven I would be very careful about what i post on any of these forums. It might be considered slander.
SweetSassy
Well-Known Member
If she didn't want the bunny's and was trying to rehome them, why didn't she just take them back to the place she adopted them from?(shelter/Rescue) Thatwould only make sense. If she broke the contract then she's at fault. I don't blame Strongheart for doing what she/he cando to get them bunnies back. That's what contracts are for. To protect the bunnies futures.
