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I'm posting this in the main RO forum to start with for a couple of reasons (instead of the rabbitry).

First the reasons:

  • In many shelters, flemmies and larger bunnies have a harder time getting adopted. I think it might be because folks don't understand what bigger bunnies are like or they are scared of the larger space they might need, etc.
  • We currently have a situation in the Rescue area where Wabbitdad12 is trying to rehome some babies that his doe surprised them with shortly after they bought her. I think some folks might be more interested in them if they knew more about flemmies. Here is a link to the thread: http://www.rabbitsonline.net/view_topic.php?id=28951&forum_id=7
  • I thought it might be nice just to have something here to educate folks on flemmies in general!
So - I'm asking Blue Giants (who breeds flemish giants) to answer some questions - but - anyone who has flemmies or also breeds flemmies is also welcome to answer these questions.

  1. What do flemish giants eat? How much do they eat? Do they need special supplements? If you free feed them - for how long?
  2. How much space does a flemish giant need for a cage? How much exercise time do they need?
  3. What is a flemish giant's personality like? Are they mean? Nice? Do they bite?
  4. What should people be concerned about as far as health risks for flemish? I'm assuming sore hocks due to their weight...anything else?
  5. What is the average lifespan of a flemish giant?
  6. What is the average size of a full-grown, adult, flemish giant?
  7. Anything else you think potential pet owners of flemish giants should know?
Thanks so much (in advance) to everyone who contributes information to this thread.

For those who are interested in finding out more about flemish giants - there is also the national club for breeders: http://www.nffgrb.com/

and this thread on flemish fever:
http://rabbitsonline.net/view_topic.php?id=3463&forum_id=8&page=1

Peg
 
LOL! So many questions... I can give you my opinion and what's worked for me... (ummm... this is going to be a long post...)

    1. What do flemish giants eat? How much do they eat? Do they need special supplements? If you free feed them - for how long?
My Flemish are free fed a 17% protein pellet with 17% roughage. On average, most of my adults eat 1 1/2 to 2 cups a day... some Juniors/Intermediates eat more, especially during "growth spurts". I do not give supplements other than hay. If I have an issue with a rabbit getting "potty" (as the judges call it) or overweight, I will measure feed... but I can't say it's happened very often. They seem to eat what they need...


2. How much space does a flemish giant need for a cage? How much exercise time do they need?
My Flemish cages are 36" deep x 48 " long x 24" tall. I find height is important, they do not like their ears to be brushing the "roof". My Flemish get "turn-out" time in the yard twice a week (when I clean everything.) But I am not say they "exercise".... they do a circle around the yard, run over to a nice patch of clover, plop down in the middle and eat whatever they can reach without moving... Even when I bring them in the house, they seem to "hang-out" in the den, next to the couch... I think they are just to laid back to care about that "bunny binky stuff".


3. What is a flemish giant's personality like? Are they mean? Nice? Do they bite?
I would never presume to tell you any rabbit would never bite...( the good Lord gave them teeth...), but generally, no, they are not known as an aggressive breed. They are known as the Gentle Giant. You do have to watch the usual hormone issues, mostly with the does, (much discussed on this forum), just in a bigger package than usual. The boys tend to be really laid back (OK, lazy...). The girls are more alertand I find them easy to train (little tricks, coming to their name, etc.). They tend not to act "silly" when they grow up, and I find them reserved and regal. I think they are pretty smart too...


4. What should people be concerned about as far as health risks for flemish? I'm assuming sore hocks due to their weight...anything else?
Same exact issues as other rabbits, but yes, sore hocks can be a problem. Sometimes it is a problem with the flooring they are kept on, but sometimes I think, it is an issue with genetics. Some rabbits have a tendency to have less fur over the feet and hocks... (This is an issue being discussed and worked on by several Flemish breeders that I know of... breed the rabbits that have the most "felting" on the feet and wean for that trait...) This problem is also seen in other breeds, like Mini Rex (no weight issue there!). So looking for a genetic "fix" makes the most sense to me.


5. What is the average lifespan of a flemish giant?
I tell people that on average, they live 5-7 years. (Giant breeds tend to have shorter lifespans than smaller ones.. think of the short lifespan of a Great Dane (7-9 years) vs.a Miniature Poodle (12-15 years)...) But there are exceptions...I had a fabulous Sandy buck that lived for almost 9 years. A lady that lives near me hasone of myblue bucks that is 7 1/2 and doing just fine! (Yeah, he gets pushed in a baby carriage everywhere! No stress there! LOL!)


6. What is the average size of a full-grown, adult, flemish giant?
Depends on breeding... how big were the parents? How was it raised as a baby? Was it weaned too early? What was it fed? Assuming it was raised properly, an adult can be anywhere from 12 - 18 lbs. (Yes, there are 20+ lbs rabbits out there, but I'm talking averages.)


7. Anything else you think potential pet owners of flemish giants should know?
Flemish take a little longer to mature. They are not ready for breeding until 6-7 months for bucks and 8-11 months for does. Spaying and Neutering should wait a little longer in the Giants... (not 4-5 months like smaller breeds). Ibelieve that the majority of their diet should be made up of a well balanced, higher protein pellet, until they are at least adult weight (13 lbs for bucks and 14 lbs for does). Flemish have an incedibly rapid growth pattern that requires enough protein to build good thick bones to support their adult weight. Babies at 8-10 weeks are usually 6 lbs+. By 5 months of age, they should be 11 lbs+. They do not stop growing until they are about 14 months old. Food can be switched over to a lower protein/timothy based pellet at adulthood.

I think they are the sweetest most laid back and loving rabbits I've ever had.
 
This is a good thread :)
I know what you mean by people not understanding flemmish giants. All my friends are afraid of mine, especially when he in running around like a maniac.
I've noticed my boy likes to run around like crazy for about 15 minutes, find something to chew on for 10 minutes, be pet for 10 minutes and then go rest under the bed. But with my usual routine, I let him out once in the morning and once at night. If I can, I let him out more, but usually he's just lazy.
His pen is in the corner of my bedroom and it ultimatley measures 5 x 5 x 6 feet. It is 42 inchs tall (no roof) he has escaped ONCE. God only knows how he did it.
He is 11 months old, neutered and about 12 pounds. I give him 1 1/2 cps of pellets a day and about 2 cups of veggies every other day. As far as hay goes, he eats the same amount as my two small buns put together.
He is wondeful <3
Oh, and he thinks he is a small bunny...

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I want to thank those who have replied to this thread.

I was trying to explain Tiny to someone last night and I sort of used the idea of how you see cartoons of country folks with their hound dog laying on the porch snoozing all the time. They might smell something or go off hunting for a bit - but the majority of the time - they just lay there like a doorstop.

Tiny is like that. He could binky...but why waste the energy? He could run around and play..but why bother?

He spends probably 90% of his time within a 5 - 10 square foot area - per his choice. He has free roam of the house and could go anywhere. He has his spot and he might change positions every hour or so...but otherwise...why bother? I jokingly call him my doorstop because he loves to lay against the door so I can't open it or close it.

However - if he smells a banana or cilantro or hears the bag for craisins - he will come running and try to pull at my clothes for a treat. He also loves to come up behind me while I'm working (on the phone as a customer service rep) and nudge my legs to get pets.

I just can't imagine my life without a flemish in it. He's three years old almost and I dread the day when I lose him.....I pray he beats the odds and lives a LONG life.

Peg
 
Great thread idea Peg! I'm in that category where I think they are too big for my current lifestyle :(but I would love to have one (or thirty :p) someday.



I have two questions

1) since they are so laid back and don't excersize too much, how often do you have problems with weight?

2) does anyone have a flemie bonded with a smaller breed? How was that process?
 
Maybe jadeicing will add to this thread - I can remember her saying that regular cardboard boxes were bad toys for Samantha, because she flattened them. ;)

and I bet a lot of us are wondering about the amount of poop and pee compared to smaller breeds. ;) (I am, I know - and would love to have a Flemmie or other large breed when I have more space.)
 
Peg,

I had a flemish Giant Mix, Woody, and he was just as you described...Lazy!! He was afraid of everything. I adopted him at about 1yr of age. He just passed away last month.

2 weeks before he died, he had abscess' on his right foot. I still don't know how I missed them or how long they were there. My Vet. gased him and debriefed the Abscess'. Because It was an emergency, (to me), my Vet didn't finish with him until late and he had to stay overnight. I know that was stressful for him. I flushed his abscess' for a week with betadine solution ect.. It was getting better. 1 week later, he had to go back for recheck as a drop off. When I got him home that night, he didn't want to eat or anything. He just laid beside his mate. The next morning he was in distress and died in my arms. 2 days later his mate died??? had autopsies done and tissue sent to a California lab. They suggested it could have been E. cuniculli, but not definite. After weeks of research, I think stress, because he was so scard of everything, affected his heart and if the underlying illness, E. Cuniculli was present...sudden death. After reading all the vet. medical journals...that is the only conclusion I can find. Then since E. cuniculli is contagious through urine and Woody and trixie shared the same litter box....Trixie could have died from the stress of loosing woody and E. Cuniculli. She was searching the whole house for woody the next day. she was eating but on 2nd day she didn't want to eat. Then just like that...she died..so suddenly. I am still heartbroken over their deaths.

Sorry to go on and on. The point was, I had a flemish G. mix and I loved him. He was a gentle giant. Flemish giants are great pet rabbits. If I lived closer, I would consider adopting one.

A great thing about Flemish G's, they can't hide in small spaces and are hop slower, unless there are treats.

People want small, mini rabbits because they assume they will be easier to take care of but that's not true. They are faster, feistier, excellent hiders.

The poop is great for gardens.



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tundrakatiebean wrote:
Great thread idea Peg! I'm in that category where I think they are too big for my current lifestyle :(but I would love to have one (or thirty :p) someday.


I have two questions

1) since they are so laid back and don't excersize too much, how often do you have problems with weight?

2) does anyone have a flemie bonded with a smaller breed? How was that process?

In all the time I've been keeping these guys, I can only think of 3 rabbits that I had with over-weight issues that made me ration pellets (1 was a rescue with issues of her own... probably fromfood deprivation). Generally, I don't know anyone that keeps Flemish that has a problem with that.

That being said, we have done rescues and taken in Flemish that had weak (Fine) bones that were prone to breakage, just from their own weight. That would be a result of poor breeding, cross breeding with smaller (finer boned) breeds (NZ/Cals/Florida Whites), or poor nutrition. Those rabbits were kept on a limited diet for their own good. (Some didn't make it.) Some breeders do measure food daily... mostly as a way to track exactly what each rabbit is consuming. (I can give you various reasons for that...). I do know people whose Flemishdo not eat enough... and are underweight. I see that much more often.

I sold a Flemish to a family that bonded her with a small, (5 lb.) mix breed bunny boy. And last I heard, she seems to do fine with him. (Of course, HE'S the boss... LOL!) But it is funny, she is about 14 1/2 lbs... he gets lost snuggling with her. They started the bonding while she was young and still "small"... :biggrin2:




 
QUESTION:

Are they any messier than any other breed?

I ask because I would like to get a Flemmie after we move (would prefer to get one of Wabbitdad's), but since it's not OUR house, but a rental, I want to be sure I wouldn't be setting myself up for destroying someone else's house...
 
tundrakatiebean wrote:
2) does anyone have a flemie bonded with a smaller breed? How was that process?
I wouldn't exactly call this bonded because he is an "equal opportunity snuggler" with almost any bun of the opposite sex....but perhaps this will give you some answers??

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y139/PegFlint/bunnies047.jpg
Tiny & Kyo before their man parts dropped

Now remember - their man parts had not dropped yet...
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Still while he's young:
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You may notice they have invaded HIS cage:
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y139/PegFlint/bunniesMay2005028.jpg
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And as an adult....
Tiny loves to sing..

"Of all the does I've loved before...
That snuggled with me in and out my door...
I dedicate this song...to those it does belong..
To all the does I've loved before.." (by snuggling...).

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y139/PegFlint/TinysEyeandGinger004.jpg
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y139/PegFlint/TinysEyeandGinger002.jpg
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y139/PegFlint/TinyandMissBea002.jpg
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y139/PegFlint/3c235dfa.jpg
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and a short-time affair...
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y139/PegFlint/gecko unfaithful tiny and baby bunnies/49ea3275.jpg
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y139/PegFlint/gecko unfaithful tiny and baby bunnies/a2541965.jpg

Nope - not Madilyn - she wasn't even born when those were taken

My point? Tiny is willing to snuggle with almost any doe willing to pay attention to him. Unfortunately - he and Miss Bea seem to be on the outs again....she wants to go back to the rabbitry and barely grooms him or sees him anymore - I think it is because he is fascinated with Madilyn and doesn't go out to the living room to see Miss Bea.

Peg
 
ARG - I must've copied the wrong links - oh well - too busy to go back and change things...

Peg
 
maherwoman wrote:
QUESTION:

Are they any messier than any other breed?


LOL! Well, they do have bigger poops... (guess that's a no brainer!). But they are just like other rabbit breeds... I havesome that are SO clean,I could take them out of the barn and bring them in my house with no trouble...(would litter pan train in a heart beat). And I have a few that I could not imagine keeping in a house. Every breed has their "good little buns" and their "piggies"...

Amajority of the Flemish I've placed litter pan train really well.From my observations, the boys take a little longer to get good at it. They girls tend to be a little neater and train faster. But I think the boys make the better pets... more laid back and relaxed... NOTHING bothers them. The girls are "smarter", train faster and are more aware of their surroundings. (But we know that's hormones!)

My girlfriend tellsme her Flemish is less destructive than her Mini Rex or Nethie. He's calmer and less prone to "running amok". (He just layes there and watches the other two tear up the house! They jump right over him! And she swears she has never seen him chew a wire... unlike the other two!)
 
LOL...guess I forgot to factor in the laid-back factor.

We would be getting a male...just because that's what I've always pictured us getting...

NOTHING concrete yet on this, though...still considering, just thinking...

One of the things that led me to think about it: Danny REALLY wants to get a beagle...but with two cats and eight rabbits, that's kinda out of the question. My first thought? Either an English Lop or a Flemmie. :D

Here's hoping!! :D
 
You remeber that??? Thanks means alot. Made me cry. :?I still miss her so much.

Yes Sam was harder to get toys from. She couldn't fit into most toys you would buy bunnies. Sowe had to search out for bigger toys. She loved tubes.

Her best friend.

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Cat cubes

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Dog bed

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She used a cat tube that was small for her

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She also used a large concrete tube thingy this is the largest one and was perfect.

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Sam was special in so many ways. It is nice to know people remember her.

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Size difference

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Trance

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Poop Comparison. She seem to produce more than anyone.

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ec wrote:
Maybe jadeicing will add to this thread - I can remember her saying that regular cardboard boxes were bad toys for Samantha, because she flattened them. ;)

and I bet a lot of us are wondering about the amount of poop and pee compared to smaller breeds. ;) (I am, I know - and would love to have a Flemmie or other large breed when I have more space.)
 
ANOTHER QUESTION:

What age is recommended for weaning...how old would a bunny have to be before they could go to a new home?
 
I know I always leave/left babies with mom for 8-10 weeks of age. I have onyl ever had weight problems with one of my does, Big Mama. And yes, I would agree that Flemmies are lazy, LOL. I think I have only ever had a real bite from a Flemish once, and that was Sammy, who is an uneuetered hormonal boy. I will get little nips once in a while, if I am doing something they disaprove of, LOL.

Feed wise-well, yeah they do eat more than other breeds. But they have such awesome peronalities, it makes all the space issues, and extra feed issues totally worth it. I would always recomend a first tiem bunny owner to go with a Flemish, they make wonderful first bunnies.
 
With Donovan my flemish, he does enough in his litter box to make up for 3, 5lbs rabbits. he did binky more when he was "little" but now is more into just getting into everything.. he's a curious flemish who is nosey about everything. He know NO and his name and come here. when he does binky it takes about 12 feet of space, he has an 6 by 18 foot long rug to do it on.

here is Donovan when he was still small with our 88 lbs black lab


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