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Like Shiloh, I also have issues with that cage, but for another reason, too -- it was designed by a human with the idea of what a human would find appealing. The high open ceiling may be great in a downtown condo or loft, but not a warren. He probably doesn't feel very safe in there. Instinctively he's thinking a hawk will get him anytime. He needs a ceiling, and better yet, a shelf as well. A second level is far better exercise and a good outlet for his energy.

Aside from that, in my experience, the biggest problem is that he's hormonal. There's a reason why most of the abandoned bunnies are between four and eight months old. They start acting like Felix! (And Pipp at his age. And many/most other 'teenage' dwarfs on the board, I'm sure).

They poop and pee everywhere, they race all over the place, the girls get wild-eyed and build nests, the boys circle...

But they do grow out of it, honest! Especially when neutered/spayed.


OakRidgeRabbits wrote:
hartleybun wrote:
:) putting myself in Felix's paws it seems like he's missing his freedom. i m only guessing but it's likely the breeder had him confined to a cage. when he came to live with you he's suddenly gotten some space - as his confidence has grown he's left the couch to explore. now he's finding himself back in a "cage". i dont think he's able to distinguish between a playpen and a cage. he wants the run of the place:D

bars do not have happy memories for this little bun:(
As a breeder, I have to add that cage confinement is actually comfortable for rabbits. Small spaces (reasonably speaking) are natural to them, and I find that even when I let my rabbits out to run, they end up hopping back in their cage or under a sofa and relaxing.
There is truth here in both posts, but bunnies like what they're used to. Going from free-run to a small cage is the biggest problem. Breeder bunnies consider their cages home and that's where they feel the safest. But you can't go backwards -- going from free-run to a cage feels more like jail.

But I've found that especially with the more territorial girls that they can have too much territory. It totally exhausts them as they continuously try and 'patrol' it. A smaller area (if properly set up) can be more relaxing.

That said, all bunnies are still individuals. Pipp was much happier once I restricted her to just one room (my bedroom, not a cage).

Dill (a mini-rex) would physically have a panic attack if caged. He didn't even like closed doors. Before I got him, he had gone from being a house bunny to being stuck in a cage for a year or two, and he never got over that. He was traumatized. He loved as much space as he could get, he had free run of the kitchen and living room and never did have a favorite spot. He lived in every inch of the place.

You could see the difference in those two indoors and out.

Mister (a breeder bunny and another mini-rex) and Darry (who came from the same place as Dill) will barely leave their converted spare bathroom. Its a very small room, but its designed with maximum floor space, tunnels around the toilet, a 'den' (an old carrier), a big second floor (aka plywood covering the bathtub).

Sherry and Marvin have close to the same space with three floors, albeit less interesting without the tunnels, and they prefer their out time more so than Mister and Darry.

And Mickel is a big bunny with a much smaller pen -- two by four grids with a second floor and a ceiling -- and being a Flemish he does prefer the couch, but he does go back into it and doesn't mind when I close the door behind him.

All the bunnies when they are let out immediately head to the cardboard 'fort' in the living room -- a series of two or three small connected boxes and tunnels. They do love that 'warren' feel. ;)

Hope this helps!


sas :bunnydance:
 
Pipp wrote:
All the bunnies when they are let out immediately head to the cardboard 'fort' in the living room -- a series of two or three small connected boxes and tunnels. They do love that 'warren' feel. ;)

Hope this helps!


sas :bunnydance:
these are a great idea - mine love anything like this:) i've even brought them some wide drainage pipe for tunnelling thru. ultimately roxy redecorates and remodels but cardboard boxes are cheap and easy to come by (here at least!)
 
elrohwen wrote:
Some bunnies just aren't satisfied with being caged and want to explore everything in their environment.
This is exactly how Felix behaves! When I first got him home he just sat there totally calm, but as I gave him more freedom (and he realized he could have it) his personality just exploded into hyperactive. That's not a bad thing, just something I gotta get used to. Not to mention the age he is right now. I always forget how old he is since he is so tiny.

Laura - I'm Felix proofing the kitchen today and that is going to be his new play area. It's a big kitchen with plenty of room to really run around and explore. It also wont matter if he pee's.

Pipp - Felix's previous cage is a bit longer than the one in the second video with a shelf and not so much space between the floor and top. I'm going to put him back in that cage. He does love his shelf. I will just have disinfect the shelf and bottom of the cage daily since he is still learning about litter box habits.

Thank you everyone, this is all helping a lot. :)
 
Happi Bun wrote:
Pipp - Felix's previous cage is a bit longer than the one in the second video with a shelf and not so much space between the floor and top.
Just make sure the top of the cage has a covering on it, safety from attacks from above. :)

If you want to use the one he's in, you can probably just install a board (put holes in it and wire it very securely to the bars with zap straps) and cover the top with a blanket.

PS: On the subject of pet store cages, thats why some other bunnies who live in the ones that open from the top are actually in such bad shape psychologically. Not only is the top uncovered and leaving them open for attacks, in their minds, they ARE being attacked every time the door opens and a big hand (hawk) reaches in to grab them. Most pet store cages are bad, but those ones should be illegal.

Poor bunnies!

We really need to do what we can to educate the industry and other rabbit guardians.

Sorry for the somewhat off-topic rant!


:rant: sas
 
irishbunny wrote:
Is it not possible that it was because he was always caged at the breeders, and now that he has had a taste of freedom he wants out all the time?

Or it could be that he was so spoiled due to being a "fader" that he doesn't like being confined. ;)



However, genetic predisposition of personality traits is a very likely contributor to this behavior.
 
pamnock wrote:
However, genetic predisposition of personality traits is a very likely contributor to this behavior.

Yeah, I meant to mention this. All my mini-rexes have been really curious and outgoing and don't like to be caged (the exception being Mister, but only with his new sizable digs that came with a gf, although he is one to jump his gate, like he did last night), while my dwarfs like to 'patrol' but come back to their territory. And my two Flemish boys both like(d) their cages (when not on the couch).

You can't always go by breed, they are individuals, but you do notice genetic differences.


sas :)
 
I like Pipp's suggestions of covering the top of the cage and installing shelves! In my limited experience, bunnies like having the option of being up high. Being up high might make Felix a little more content.

All of my bunnies' cages have shelves. Rory and Ned have 2, Phoebe Mae has 1. Rory spends 90% of his time on the middle shelf (I think because it's closest to us if we're on the couch), Ned spends 90% of his time on the top shelf, and Phoebs spends a lot of time on her shelf, too. It wasn't possible in Rory's cage, but in Phoebe Mae's and Ned's, I put the bottom shelf so it's only a few inches off the ground so they can hide if they get scared or want privacy. Poor Neddie always cowers under his shelf when the vacuum runs.

My first bunny, Cinnabun, was a Netherland Dwarf. He was actually pretty content in his cage, but his personality was definitely high strung. At the time I thought all bunnies were like that, but my others are so much more laid back than he was! It was part of his charm and he calmed down a whole lot after a few years :)
 
I see that as normal teen bunny wanting OUT!

My biggest concern is chewing bars. Check his mouth a little more often because he could chip a tooth. I am wondering about the second cage and how big it is. I have this one...

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I love it and several bunnies have used it and loved it. While it doesn't seem that big it is actually bigger than people think. I also wish I had 2 more of that cages. I have found that for my head-tilt bunnies it is great cage for many reasons.


 
It looks big, but I'd still put a cover over it and/or a hidey box or shelf for jumping onto and hiding in or under for those 'stress' moments -- like when a big fly looks like a hawk or someone walks in caring a scary box. ;)

Those things that have made a world of difference around here.

I just discovered another HUGE hit for those with smooth flooring, especially white corroplast in the wire grid pens. All my rabbits like having the corroplast covered with dark colored, heavy or secured mats, but the carpet is tough to care for and gives some of them sore hocks. The vinyl side up is better, but its still slippery. And the grass mats are great but hard to secure and don't last long with the chewers.

But the ones I just got are flat stones glued to a thread mesh thing, and wow, what a big hit! The rabbits have gone from carefully and sometimes hesitantly jumping to and from their shelves to happily hopping up and down at full speed.

A human's first instinct is that a rock hard floor (literally) couldn't be comfortable, but the bunnies love it. And the sore hocks cleared up in just two or three days. :)

I'll be posting about that in another thread.


sas :bunnydance:
 
For a "normal" bun a box would be great if Wyatt was still in that cage I would add one, for Ringo that could be a little dangerous. A shelf could would be awesome in that cage. :biggrin:
 
I put Felix back in his previous cage, here it is;

It's bigger than the green one, a few inches longer with the same width. It's hard to tell but the carrot toy isn't attached. I decided to keep the wooden hanging toy because it's in a place where he likes to chew on the bars.


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