Colors of Englishs

[TinysMom]

bunnybunbunb wrote:

Yes, however that is not whatIam trying to explain. It is not the agouti gene we are looking at, it is the dilute gene. The doe had a 25% chance of getting the dilute gene from her parent who got the gene from her parent. The agouti gene did not pass but that does not matter as the dilute gene does no rely on the agouti gene to pass. Just because the agouti gene is not there does not mean the dilute gene is not. Opal is only blue in agouti form, if you take the A gene away you get blue.

Gotcha.

I thought you were saying there is a chance she could have opals....not that she could have dilute because of the opal in her background.

I'd actually thought of that already because at 10:43 I'd posted:

You may possibly get blue - but I doubt it. Then again - with an opal in the background...I suppose it is possible that Minnie carries the "d" for the dilute gene - thus making broken blues possible.

So I went ahead and did the calculations to see the odds of having dilute babies.

Once again - I thought you were saying that she could have opal - I didn't understand that you were saying she could have dilutes (which we did agree on).

Sorry about misunderstanding what you were saying.

 

[BSAR]

TinysMom wrote:

BSAR wrote:

I'm posting right now!! haha.

Ok I will post this in the best way that I can so you all understand also.

So first I will do Sippi's pedigree.

Okay here are Sippi's stats.

Mississippi is a Broken Blue

Dad: Broken Sable Point- His parents--- Mom: Tort-Black Dad: Broken Tort-Blue

Momma: Broken Black- Her parents---- Mom: Broken Black Dad: Blue

That's the farthest Im gonna go but I will say that the great grandbunnies have broken black, frosted pearl-blue, lynx, frosted pearl, black, tortise, broken chesnut agouti, and another black tort.

Now Minnie

Minnesota is Black

Dad: Broken Black- His parents----Mom: Broken Opal Dad: Broken Sable Point

Momma: Sable Point- Her parents----Mom: Seal Dad: Broken Black

And the grandbunnies varieties are: Tort black, Broken seal, broken chestnut agouti, steel blue, black, broken sable point, broken sable point, and blue.

Sounds like we have a good chance of getting sables, broken and solid. I would love that color!

I hope I can explain this so it can be understood easily. I'll even try to make it short (ha ha).

There are five genes that are frequently discussed when it comes to genetics. The "A" gene determines the family (agouti, self, etc). The "B" gene is if the rabbit is black or brown. The "C" gene I'm not even going to go into here - its much more complicated. The "D" gene is the dilute gene. This is what makes a rabbit black or blue or chocolate or lilac.

The gene you're going to be looking for is the "E" gene - which is where you get the shaded family.

Now from my understanding - in order to be a shaded - the rabbit must be "ee" - vs. "Ee" or "EE". Basically - it must have the recessive gene of the "e" gene.

We know that Sippi carries at least one "e" gene. This comes from dad who is a sable point.

We know that Minnie carries an "e" gene from her mom.

I wish I could do a good chart on here...but basically ...oh well..just follow this link:

http://www.threelittleladiesrabbitry.com/punnettsquaresbasic.php

I want to use a Punnet square to show what your chances are of having shaded rabbits.

I'm going to assume that each of your rabbits has "Ee" for their E genetics...mom is across the top - dad is down the side. Each square is getting one gene from mama and one gene from daddy.


E e


E EE Ee



e Ee ee



This shows you that each baby has a 1 in 4 chance of being shaded. However, it has a 3 in 4 chance of being nonshaded (most likely black since I didn't notice any dilute in Minnie's lines).

Clear as mud...right?

Ok I think I get it. Rabbit genes are very hard, harder than humans. haha. I just can't wait to see what Minnie has!!!!! We have to wait until December to see! ahhhh

 

[bunnybunbunb]

Your breeding her at 6 months old? Or will she be 7? I still say 8 months is minimum 10 is best for English Lops as they are still babies under 8 months. They are not like Holland Lops who stop growing at 1 year, they grow to 2 years, but it is your choice. I just hope she does not freak out about it because of her being so young.

 

[BSAR]

She will be seven months old. Some other members on the forum said it would be ok. I just thought that it took longer for them to mature and all, I told my sister we should wait until January or Feb. But she said its ok. Maybe we will rethink though. We are supposed to have a very cold winter this year.

 

[Revverress]

I would definitely wait longer than 7 months to breed her... I didn't even get my ELops doe bred until she was 13 months [I tried at one year, but she didn't take...] because she was -still- growing. Even now I swear she's still filling out. If you waited till she was 10 months to breed [that'd be February, correct?], she'd have them in March... The spring heat [not sure how soon it gets warm where you're at] would help their ears be a little longer, too.

My favorite Lop genetic page is here:

http://www.lotsalops.com/genetics.html

I lists all the colors and their genetic codes.

-Holly

 

[Elf Mommy]

All this genetics talk is making my head swirl...it's interesting, but overwhelming. I'm just popping in to say that this thread is SORELY lacking in photos of cute EL's in all these different color varieties (hint, hint, nudge, nudge)

 

[bunnybunbunb]

www.lotsalops.com has many elop pictures, or she us to. I have not been to her site in some months but I use to check every week for updates. I know the owner, she is very nice and is so lucky

 

[BSAR]

Thanks bunnybun! She has a black magpie!! I want!! The EL magpie isn't actually as cute as I though, just too much color i guess. But I have never seen one before! So cool!