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I'm writing another paper for my english class and I need personal stories and some info on abscesses. Doesn't matter where the abscess was or how/if it was resolved etc. If anyone knows a lot about the different ways you can treat an abscess it would be very helpfull!

Thanks everyone!
 
Hi,

How much detail do you need? I treat abscesses totally different than most vets. None of our rabbits have ever had surgery for an abscess....not to say it wouldn't be appropriate in some cases. We have dealt with numerous instances and have been successful with a radical drug therapy each time....including one recently that had a bacteria we have never seen in a rabbit. Even with basic info....this might be a rather long paper....but very interesting. I will send you the basics of our presentation and protocols over the weekend.

Randy
 
Im sorry Katie I forgot I was going to write up something for you! I'll add some things here from my experiences (I know you said you read my threads from before).

With Max, he started getting a runny nose first. He was sneezing a little every now and then and the runny nose-clear discharge. My vet doesnt treat a whole lot of rabbits so after baytril didnt do anything he suggested we try benedryl for allergies. Obviously that didnt work.

I noticed the abscess when I was feeling Max's face around his jaw one day. Literally this thing must have developed within a few days. It was the size of a large marble on his lower jaw. The vet did a biopsy and found out it was an abscess.

Over the next couple months things were really rough for me and Max. We were referred to a vet dentist who was supposed to be very experienced. He didnt know enough about bunnies. He removed the abscess and one toothbut didnt think we needed any strong antibiotics. I suggested beads and injections and he didnt think any of it was necessary (and I wasnt educated enough yet to demand it). The next year things got worse. Max healed from his surgery but still would only eat food that was watered down.

Then came the breathing problems. We didnt think they were related to the abscess. We tried everything we could think of and I spent so much money on diagnostics it makes me sick. All the while the abscess was growing again. I was seeing three different vets and no one could figure things out. The vet dentist finally told me that the abscess was still there but that he didnt want to operate bc Maxs breathing problems were so bad. He said to go home and keep him comfortable.

Finally, when the breathing became so bad that I was sure Max wouldnt make it more than a few days, I got desperate and saw another different vet dentist (I was also encouraged by my friends here). He said he didnt think the breathing problems were related to the abscess but said the abscess and the incisor teeth had to come out ASAP bc Max was in so much pain.

Max made it through the surgery (minus the abscess,5 teeth and the shards of bone that were in the abscess) and Viola! his breathing problems improved within days. We were all shocked.

Max stayed on Bicillin injections for about 6 months. He is now off and still doing great.

Basil also had one in his cheek around the same time. Luckily it was marble sized and not attached to any bone or teeth. The vet put him under, made a small incision in his cheek and popped it right out whole. He didnt even need any antibiotics.

The main things I would advise a bunny owner is to check weekly (or even daily) for abscesses. Check the jaw and the cheeks and face. These abscesses tend to be the worst and should be treated asap to prevent spreading. Treatment can vary and you can read up on a lot of different methods in the RO library. I know Randy and others have had success with combinations of aggressive antibiotic therapy such as Zithromax and Bicillin or PenG.

I think if Maxs abscess comes back, we will first attempt aggressive treatment via antibiotics, then surgery as a last resort.

Dealing with abscesses is really a very stressful experience for bunny owners, especially because so many vets are inexperienced. For me it was so much work to research and find information. Im so lucky I had this site or Max definitely would not be here today!

I also advise anyone living in the US or other areas and who can afford it to look into pet insurance. I have VPI for Max and it literally saved his life. I would not have been able to afford most of the surgeries and treatments without their help.
 
One of my Flemish bucks, Skitterbug, recently developed an abscess on his "heel". As his hair is longer now for winter, I had a hard time seeing it. I checked and re-checked him trying to figure out why he was limping, and I jsut coudn't see anything. When the swelling became enough that I finally found it, I didn't know what to do. I had just gotten through spending a sizable amount of money on another doe at the vet's, and had literally no money to spend on Skitter.

When it broke open on it's own, I kept it drained, clean, and as dry as possible, and dosed him with Tramadol for the pain.I did a lot of reading about abscesses, and it was on this site that I found my answer. In one article it stated that Pen-G injections had done well for abscesses, even clearing them up without surgery. I went to the Rabbit Dosage Calculator, entered his weight and with the help of a nurse friend of mine, learned how to do injections.

Whithin 5 days, the swelling was completly gone, and the skin around the wound was back to it's normal color, instead of that deep angry red of infection. Now, three weeks later, you would never know he had ever had the problem. His foot looks completly normal and he is back to hopping with no limp at all.
 
I hate to ask this but it would be good for my paper....

does anyone know of a rabbit who has died from an abscess? If you do it would be really useful to have the basic story, how it was treated and why you think it didn't heal correctly or whatever.

Thank you...
 
Not exactly what you are looking for, but I did find this link.
Warning - it is graphic & shows a dead bunny:
http://www.makeminechocolate.org/easterbun.php



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On a happier note, I'll tell you what happened to my bunny, who is doing great now.
He came into my wildlife hospital, and though we don't work with domestics, I fell in love.
He had an abcess on his foot; the x-ray showed osteomyelitis (infection of the bone too). She said he would probably lose his leg.

We put him in injectable Penicillin & Metacam for 3 months. Over the course of those months, I had to flush the wound daily - it kept closing up, and the pus returned.

He went under anesthesia 3 times to have the wound opened up & flushed out. The last time, we did the usual Nolvasan flush, but after injected .20cc 50% dextrose into the wound.
The dextrose creates an environment that the bacteria can't survive in.

It worked! The wound is now healed, and he didn't even have to lose a toe. He's completely healed & intact (well, not intact; he was neutered;))
 
Thank you for your help :)here is the paper as of this second, keep in mind I havn't done any editing or anything yet

There are hundreds of illnesses that can plague the domestic rabbit. These illnesses can include things as serious as gastrointestinal stasis and e. cuniculi to things that are easier to deal with such as ear mites. One of the most common illnesses is the abscess. Abscesses are not only a common ailment, but can handicap or kill a rabbit if treated too late or incorrectly.

Abscesses are swellings that become filled with pus and can become hot to the touch (Brown & Richardson, 2000). They can be found anywhere on a rabbit’s body and are commonly caused by infected injuries, such as bites or an abnormal tooth (Vriends-Parent, 1989). When an abscess is found on a rabbit a visit to a veterinarian familiar with rabbits is needed. Most veterinarians will prescribe an aggressive treatment of the wound with antibiotics although in some cases surgery is needed to remove the abscess (Pavia, 1996).

Antibiotics come in various forms that are safe for rabbits. One of the preferred methods for abscesses is an antibiotic bead that is placed inside the wound and then sealed. This method involves less prodding at an ill rabbit which makes the healing process much easier on both the rabbit and the owner. Another option is external antibiotics being placed on the abscess once it has opened. This is usually done with a gel antibiotic (for instance a triple antibiotic ointment such as Neosporin). After placing the gel in or on the abscess an owner should put wound dressing over it if possible to keep the rabbit from ingesting or disturbing the ointment. Many vets also suggest at home antibiotic injections for those owners comfortable with doing so. Some available antibiotic injections include penicillin, Zithromax, and Bicillin.

Haley has had close dealing with an abscess in her brown and white Dutch rabbit, Max (Haley, Personal Communication). Max had suffered from a runny nose and sneezes for months. Haley brought Max to a vet who originally thought the problem was a respiratory infection (which are common for rabbits) and prescribed an antibiotic called baytril (commonly used with rabbits). When that didn’t work he suggested trying a small amount of children’s benedryl to see if Max might be suffering from allergies; this was also unsuccessful. One evening Haley was cuddling with Max and felt a large lump on his jaw. After another visit to the vet and a biopsy the lump was confirmed as an abscess. Max had a surgery to remove the abscess, but was given no strong antibiotics. The abscess returned a year later. At this same time Max started having breathing problems supposedly unrelated to the abscess. Haley became desperate as she saw her beloved boy having more and more trouble breathing and went to see another vet. The new vet performed another surgery on Max’s teeth and removed the abscess and five teeth. Max’s breathing problems cleared up and so did the abscess, thanks to Bicillin injections. The same time Haley was dealing with all of Max’s problems his bonded bunny partner Basil also had an abscess. Basil’s abscess was on his cheek and was easy to remove during surgery. This abscess was a strong walled abscess and was not attached to any bone and was simply popped out whole during the procedure.

Haley suggests that rabbit owners check over their bunnies at least once a week for signs of abscesses and to make sure to check the jaw line. She notes that abscesses on the cheek and face tend to be harder to deal with and can have a worse outcome if not found early on. She also suggests that rabbit owners get some form of pet insurance to help pay for surgery costs. “I have VPI for Max and it literally saved his life.” She states, “I would not have been able to afford most of the surgeries and treatments without their help.” VPI, or Veterinary Pet Insurance, carries insurance plans for cats, dogs, and many other animals including birds and rabbits.

Abscesses can be very dangerous for rabbits. It is essential that rabbit owners know what signs to look for and what to do if they find an abscess. It is beneficial for both the rabbit and its owner to have a weekly check for any signs of ill health, including checking the cheeks and jaw line for any lumps that could be abscesses. If a lump is found a rabbit owner should go to a veterinarian who is knowledgeable and comfortable in treating rabbits. The vet will be able to perform surgery or refer an owner to a surgeon if appropriate or give antibiotics and further instruction on how to care for the abscess. If an owner looks for the signs of abscesses and acts quickly it will be much easier to deal with and will keep the rabbit happy and healthy.


 
Looks good! One thing- when Max had his original abscess removed they took out the tooth it was located beneath.

Very educational :)
 
To my detriment Itell youthat I had a rabbit, who, eventually, died from abscesses. He was a 5-yro male mixed netherland dwarf breed (he was abt. 10,5 pounds, so he was a mix with a bigger breed), who had pasteurellosis transmitted by him mom at birth. The initial sign was sporadic sneezing when he was 1-3 months old. Afterwards, he never sneezed again and had no respiratory problems either. One day I noticed 2-3 soft lumps at his genitals (at the area just around his penis). I didn't know anything about pasteurella or abscesses at that time, Pepe was my first bunny. I never found out how this happened either,so I could only speculate on the most probable cause:when he got the abscesses it was late spring time and I'd started to open the balcony doors (I live in Greece and late April-early May can be fairly warm, May is the month we start going to the beaches) and, a couple of times, I noticed on the floorone or twospider-like light-brown-coloured mites, which I killed. Back then I didn't have tents in my balconies, as I do now. So what I guessed afterwards (having also read a lot of info on abscesses) is that these spider-like mites, often carried by pigeons (which we do have in abundancyin my area) bit my poor bunny at his genitals and this tiny rupturein his skin facilitated the infection and triggered the formation of pasteurella abscesses. Please note that this is only a guess, I have no hard evidence that this what happened. Within a week the abscesses started to get bigger and bigger. At this point I brought my bunny to an animal hospital and 3 different vets, however, only one told me it was certainly abscesses by the way they looked (he took no sample for a culture), but he used to be a "livestock" vet and had seen thisnumerous timesat rabbitries, as he told me.The others were inconclusive, as they didn't know what pasteurellosis was, no lab tests were available and had never seen howan abscess looks like (believe it or not, in Greece we don't have rabbit-savvy vets. Not even one. I've searched a lot). Then, having no other choice and being frantically dispaired by that time,I started reading all the material I could find at the internet and I also contacted Mrs. Marcy Moore, a neurologist at U-Mass, who discovered the abscess treatment protocol via Bicillin. I'm sure you've heard of this amazing lady. Mrs. Moore was extremely kind and considerate and she even helped me get the Pen-G combo from New York and have it shipped all the way to Greece, since Bicillin is an old and out-of-use drug and it's notmanufactured anywherein Europe anymore. Therefore, I started a treatment of 1 Pen-G shot per day, 2 Baytrill pills (morning and evening) per day and also daily cleaning of the pus in the abscess area with hydrogen peroxide (the most painful thing I had to do). Unfortunately, no one could perform an abscess removal surgery in Greece, so conservative treatment was my only choice. My bunny, Pepe, heroically lived for 7,5 months from the treatment initiation and the last month he kept straining to pee and kept being in a hunched position in his house. Otherwise, he was eating, drinking and pooping as usual. One evening I returned home from work and I found him lying dead on the floor, I didn't have the courage to have him autopsied (I didn't know of any vet that would undertake it, anyway...), however, from what I've read and discussed over the internet, an abscess must have been internally ruptured and this must've caused his death. By that time, the abscesses had multiplied,they'd covered most of his tummy area andhis penis had been completely deformed by the pressure exercised by the surrounding abscesses filled with pus. It was a dreadful experience, even more because I had no professional help to combat the illness. I guess if somebody here know how to operate on the abscesses when they were still few and small, my Pepe would have lived. He died a bad and painful way. It was so unfair for him...

Marietta
 
Mariette I am so sorry for your loss :(

Thank you both for your stories, but the paper has already been turned in :)hopefully my teacher will like it as much as you guys do.
 

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