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I keep hearing on AC360 (CNN)them talking about a 401K? What in the heck is a 401K? I assume it has something to do with money.

Gosh all they have been talking about the last few days is how bad the Money Markets are with all these big companies going under or having financial problems.

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My understanding was that a 401 K was some sort of American Pension/Retirement Fund, that a percentage of the employee's earnings is taken off their paycheck for this fund... I think it is employer-based, and the company helps out too?
Dunno..
We need one of the USA ladies to explain this one...
 
Here's a decent and not too long explanation of a 401k. The name 401k comes form Section 401(k) of the Internal Revenue Service tax code that contains the retirement fund rules. http://invest-faq.com/cbc/ret-plan-401k.html

There are a lot of variations on the 401k and at one time, governmentagencies could also establish 401k accounts. My state agency participates in PERS - Public Employee Retirement Accounts and also allows deferred compensation plans similar to a 401k. The money put inot deferred comp is not taxed when it's paid, like a 401k, but becomes taxable after retirement. With my employer, I pid into PERS at a rate close to 4 times that of what people pay into US Social Security. My employer also contributed. I deferred the maximum amount of income I could while working. What it comes down to is that I am making almost as much in retirement as when I was working. Fortunately PERS invests wisely while the deferred comp investments were not done quite as well.
 
Canada doesnt have 401k,lol, i learn so much here all the time, i assumed everyone had them,lol. See 32 and i am still learning. Here in the states we need thi ngs like 401k because when i go to retire the government isnt going to have social security for me,lol.
 
I thought I would share an example from our 401K (which we never had till about 4 years ago when Art joined the company he works with).

Art's company places 3% of his annual income into his 401K automatically. They do this on a quarterly basis...so every 3 months they put in 3% of what he's made that quarter.

In addition, they will match 50% of the first 8% of his income that we put into the 401K. So - when we were putting 8% in (I'm thinking we should up it again as we cut back a bit ago)- they put in 4% of his pay...which meant that the really 15% of his pay was going into his 401K. I say 15% because the company automatically did 3%, we added 8% and then they added 4%.

With this company (I don't know about others) - we have several choices on how to manage that 401K. For the first 2 or maybe 3 years - we put about 70% in the aggressive funds which were more risky but had higher rates of return. About a year ago - we bumped that down to about 40% in the aggressive funds and when things happened a few weeks ago where some banks closed - we decided to put 90% in the "safe" fund with a guaranteed rate of like 3 or 4% and only leave 10% or less in the risky funds. It might have been 95%....because when the stock market dropped 500 points in one day (or something like that) - I decided to check our account and we'd dropped $38 on our investments in that one day....not bad when you consider we have over $15,000 in our 401K so far. (We took out a loan from it and are repaying the loan - otherwise we'd have about $25,000).

The bad thing (really a good thing) about a 401K is that it can be hard to take money from it while you're still young and working....you can move money around in it and you can transfer it from one company to another sometimes - but you have to have specific reasons for taking money out (like buying your first home, etc).

I think the stupidest thing we ever did was take a loan against the 401K....oh well....we're paying it off and will be paid off in a couple of years.

Every 401K is different in some respects based upon the company you work for and who they have managing the 401K funds. When I worked with one company a few years ago - you had like 5 choices for where to put your funds. You could only change your choices X times per year (I think - I'm not sure). Now - Art has like 10 choices or something (his company uses Mass Mutual).

I hope this helps in some way.

We here in the US also have something called a "Roth" which is another type of retirement fund. Art really wants us to get one for some very specific reasons that make a lot of sense - BUT - the problem is - right now with his company matching 50% of what we put in - its like making 50% interest - vs. putting it in the Roth and making less.

We want to get to the point financially where we can put the 8% in his company's 401K and then put an additional 5-10% in a Roth (or $2,000 or something - I don't have the figures close by).

And for those who are going to ask - here is the basic difference IF I understand correctly.

If I use a traditional 401K - my money is sheltered from taxes when I put it in. For instance - if Art makes $10,000 at work and puts $2,000 in his 401K - he'll pay taxes now on $8.000 and then later on - when he retires and is at a lower tax rate...he'll pay taxes on the money when he pulls it out of the 401K.

With a Roth...if he makes $10,000 and puts in $2,000 - he still pays taxes on the $10,000 now....but when he goes to pull the money out of the Roth...he pays no taxes - not even on the interest he's earned - because those dollars were already taxed once. So let's say he puts $2,000 in per year and it grows so that 10 years from now its not worth $20,000 but instead - $100,000. That $100,000 is considered "tax free" because we already paid taxes on the original $20,000.

Clear as mud?

:shock:
 
I reread the original post and decided to add something.

Here is why all of this stuff that has been happening is so bad for our economy....

In our case, MassMutual manages our 401k...and they offer some various funds to people. As I shared - most of our money is in a more secure fund and in fact - as I shared w/ Art in email - here is part of what it says about our fund...

Because these participant-initiated transactions occur at book value, participants' investments are not subject to changes in value due to market conditions, which result in increases and decreases in value under market value investment options. MassMutual backs its commitments with its own surplus and capital.

Now this is for a guaranteed fund - not one of the risky ones where you might make a lot more money - or lose a lot of money.

Some of the other funds though (and maybe even this one) will invest in various markets or following certain protocol. For instance - one might invest largely in city and state bonds (less risky) while another fund focuses a larger percentage of their investments in real estate...and a third fund focuses on investing in the top companies in the US.

Those funds that are invested in the places that are going bankrupt - are obviously going to drop in value...but if the stock market also drops - then those funds and others will also continue to drop.

For instance - let's say that in one fund I have invested $100 and each "share" of the fund is worth $25....at the time I invested. So I have 4 "shares" of the fund.

Now the fund drops in value so that instead of being worth $25 - each share is now worth $15 - maybe they had huge investments in certain companies or stocks that dropped.

That is how my 401K might be worth $100 today - but $60 tomorrow. Because they take the total worth of the fund and divide it by how many "shares" are out there.

That's really simplified and probably quite incorrect - but that is how I understand things.

So for instance - let's say that Fund X is invested in Walmart and Pepsi and General Electric - and they have no investments in Lehman Brothers or AIG or whatever...but the stock market drops in response to the recent bankruptcies...it can still affect Fund X because maybe Walmart and Pepsi and Dollar General stocks dropped...

I don't know if I'm making any sense- so I'll shut up and hope someone with more economic knowledge comes along!




 
What people in the US also need to remember is that Social Security was never intended to be a retired person's sole source of income. It was intended to supplement the individual's own lifetime retirement savings. When I was 23, I realized I wanted to retire after 30 years, at age 53, and not wait til age 65. So I started saving something from every pay. At first it was only $10 a pay and then over the years it grew to close to 1/2 a pay check. No matter your country, if you are just entering the work force, you need to take responsibility for your own well being and retirement as young as age 18. Even if you only save as little as $10 a pay, it's a start.

With deferred comp, I was able to choose investment options and chose a 3 way split - 1/3 in low yield very safe investments, 1/3 in moderate yield with some risk and 1/3 in high yield, high risk investments. That formula works well. Some who choose all high yield/high risk investments took a bath because of Enron, etc.

I am a huge Larry Winget fan and find his plans work for everyone because it's all about stopping the whining and taking personal responsibility. http://www.larrywinget.com/
 

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