What colour

[Sabine]

A few months ago I started a thread asking whether my buck Smokey was a seal point and most people seemed to agree that he was a Siamese Smoke.
As I know have a few Netherland Dwarfs who are definitely Siamese Smoke and resemble Smokey's colour in no way I am somewhat puzzled and thought I'd post a better picture and ask again
First Smokey:

And in comparison a Siamese Smoke

Are they really the same colour?
I am also wondering what Raylann's colour is called. I refer to her as sable but I am not even sure if that exists as a self colour?

 

[pamnock]

Color can be difficult to accurately determine from photos - what color are Smokey's eyes? (blue-gray or brown)

Can you post a link to the old thread so I can see those photos?



update: I found the old thread. Smokey looks like a sable point (seal point in the UK) to me in both threads. Blue-gray eyes would indicate blue point. Smokey isn't a smoke pearl.

 

[Sabine]

It's rather brown.

 

[Sabine]

Just saw the edited post. Thanks. After seeing the other siamese smoke I didn't think Smokey was one either just needed it confirmed.
About Raylann, can I refer to her as "sable"?

 

[pamnock]

Smokey is most likely Sable Point and Raylann is probably a Sable or Seal.