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We had a tigger accident tonight. She's beenvery excited and binkying all evening. I was in the kitchen and heard acrash. I think she bounced off the high sofa arm and into the kitchendoor. She went crazy hopping around but on three legs with one back legnot used. I had to catch her and hold her down whilst I tried to calmher. James found an emergancy vet (its midnight here) and we took her.They say she might have broken the joint in the back leg. They've givenher pain killers and when she calms down will do an xray. They'vewarned us that the anesthetic for the xray is dangerous and that it maybe they dont operate on a break as rabbits are such poor patients andshe'd have to risk a second anesthetic. She said that Tigger couldmanage very well on three legs!!!!!!

She's only 20 weeks!!!!!!!!!! I keep crying because if i'd beenwatching her better or kept her in the kitchen! How awful would it befor her to only have use of three legs! She's still a baby really!! Amso upset and dont know what to do...
 
Please don't beat yourself up over it. Accidentshappen no matter what you do to try and prevent it. Even human childrendo it! I'm very glad you were able to get her into a hospital quickly.

I really hope that they will be able to operate on her and get that legfixed. It is a shame that they wont even try! I have never had a brokenbone in a rabbit, but I am sure there are others on here that have andwill be able to give you some good advice and suggestions.But I do feel in my heart that leaving her leg the way it is should notbe an option at all.
 
Since it's an emergency vet - are they rabbitsavvy? Do they know about the correct anesthetic to use forrabbits? I will have to look it up but I know one kind isbetter than others for bunnies (isoflourane)... just before they doanything, make sure they are familiar with treating rabbits on aregular basis.

If not, is it an optionto wait until your regular rabbitsavvy vet opened in the morning, just keep her on the pain killers...


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ANESTHESIA AND SEDATION[/b]
DEFINITION: Anesthesia is achieved when there is a loss ofsensation to either a part or all of the body. Generalanesthesia renders the patient completely unconscious.Sedation is similar to general anesthesia but the patientremains semi-conscious.
Anesthesia and sedation are used in a variety of situations inveterinary practice including diagnostic sample collection (X-rays,blood work, urine, biopsies), examination (calming difficult to handleor painful animals, thorough examination of the oral cavity), andsurgical procedures.
TYPES OF ANESTHESIA
  • Local or topical anesthesia is applied on top of or injectedinto the skin to remove the sensation from a small area. The anesthesiadoes not extend more than the thickness of the skin nor wider than thearea that the anesthetic is applied. The rabbit remains fullyconscious. Local anesthesia might be used for minor skin surgeries orbiopsies, placement of intravenous (IV) or intraosseous (IO) catheters,or for ophthalmic procedures. We commonly use a topical anesthetic inthe eyes to allow flushing of the tear duct in the conscious pet.
  • Regional anesthesia is where a larger and deeper area of thebody is anesthetized. The anesthetic agent is injected into the spinalfluid, which numbs all sensation from that point of the spine to theback of the animal. The agent can also be injected into a specificnerve, which anesthetizes all the tissues that the nerve reaches.During regional anesthesia the rabbit remains fully conscious. Thistype of anesthesia has been successfully used in the rabbit, howevermany veterinarians are still unfamiliar with the technique.
  • General anesthesia circulates through the bloodstream to allareas of the body, including the brain, and causes a complete loss ofconsciousness. There are basically two ways to administer generalanesthetic agents, by injection or inhalation.
    • Injectable anesthetics can be given IV intramuscular (IM),intraperitoneal (IP) or subcutaneously (SC). Injectable anestheticagents are often used for short surgical procedures, (particularlythose in the mouth), or used as a preanesthetic to an inhalant agent.Preanesthetic drugs are used to calm the patient to allowhandling for the administration of the inhalation agent or to allowpassage of an endotracheal (ET) tube. The biggest drawback toinjectable anesthetics is that there is no control over the dose onceit has been injected (except in the case of reversible drugs). There istremendous variation in dosages amongst different rabbits. Injectableanesthetics are not suitable as the only anesthetic agent for prolongedsurgical procedures. The recovery period varies with the agent used. Inaddition, some of the injectable anesthetics are not appropriate in thepresence of certain disorders, such as cardiac or kidney disease.Currently, the most commonly used injectable anesthetic agents inrabbits include any of the following (some are used in combination toimprove their anesthetic properties); ketamine, diazepam (Valium),butorphanol, propofol, medetomidine and opiods.
    • Inhalant (gas) anesthesia is the first choice for any majorsurgical procedure. As mentioned, it is common to use a sedative orpreanesthetic agent of some type to relax the rabbit before using aninhalant anesthesia. The anesthetic gas is administered either througha mask placed over the rabbit's face, or through an ET tube. Withinhalant anesthesia the patient is connected directly to a machine thatdelivers the anesthetic agent in a flow of oxygen. The advantages ofgas anesthesia are that the concentration of the anesthetic agent andtherefore the level of anesthesia can be quickly adjusted, the patientis always connected directly to an oxygen source and recovery isusually rapid and smooth. In addition, isoflurane, the mostcommonly used gas anesthetic, can be used safely in rabbits with a widevariety of illnesses. Isoflurane is safe not only for the rabbit, butfor the humans who are exposed to it in the surgical suite.Methoxyflurane and halothane have been used in rabbits in the past,however, they hold a higher risk of causing medical problems in humansexposed. In addition, methoxyflurane is dangerous to use on overweightrabbits.
RISKS OF GENERAL ANESTHESIA[/b]
With careful preparation and monitoring, the risks of generalanesthesia in the rabbit are minimal. However, we would not be truthfulif we told you there were no risks at all. Medicine is not an exactscience because we are dealing with complex individuals and it isimpossible to know every conceivable outcome to every situation.
The complications of general anesthesia range from temporary orintermittent changes in respiration, heart rate and blood pressure tobrain damage to death. In experienced hands, anesthetic deaths arerare. The most common causes of anesthetic death include respiratory orcardiac arrest, hypothermia (low body temperature), hypovolemia (lowblood volume) and embolism (blood clot). Respiratory or cardiac arrestcan be caused by a variety of factors including pre-existing disease ofthe thorax, (including the heart or lungs), other systemic disease(particularly involving the liver and/or kidneys where anesthetics mustbe cleared from the body), blockage of the air passageway (blocked ETtube, regurgitation of material from stomach, blood) and overdose ofthe anesthetic agent(s).
Some degree of hypothermia occurs naturally during generalanesthesia because the metabolic rate drops and the body cools. Inaddition if large areas of the internal surface of the body areexposed, more heat is lost. Anyone who has ever had general anesthesiawill probably remember waking up shaking and feeling very cold. Rabbitshave a small body mass compared to the surface area of the skin whichallows heat to be released even more quickly than in humans. A rabbit'sbody temperature can drop very quickly to dangerous levels particularlyif the abdominal cavity is opened or the procedure is lengthy.Hypovolemia occurs if the patient loses a critical amount ofblood or other body fluids during a surgical procedure or a state ofdehydration presurgically is not corrected. An embolism (bloodclot), although fortunately rare, can occur anytime, particularly ifthe surgery involves manipulation of a large blood vessel, bone tissueor if the rabbit had a serious bacterial or fungal infection prior tothe procedure.
FACTORS AFFECTING ANESTHETIC RISK[/b]
Fortunately there are many things that can be done to greatly reducethe anesthetic risk in rabbits. Factors that increase anestheticrisk include; no presurgical physical exam, pre-existing disease(particularly respiratory, heart, liver or kidney disease, dehydrationor obesity), inappropriate anesthetic agent or dose, absence of regularanesthetic monitoring, and absence of adequate postanestheticmonitoring and care.
Here are some things that the veterinary staff can do to minimize anesthetic/surgical risk:
  • Perform thorough preanesthetic/surgical examination including diagnostics if appropriate.
  • Stabilize/treat pre-existing conditions
  • Use anesthetic agents/dosages appropriate for rabbits. Obtain accurate body weight.
  • Continuously monitor the patient during the anesthetic/surgical procedure.
  • Closely monitor the patient during the recovery period until awake and moving.
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Nadia

 
Oh no! What a shocking accident!How awful:(.

Are you going to get her seen by a rabbit savvy vet in the next day orso? Sometimes the emergency vet on hand isn't very rabbitknowledgeable, so probably would be best to get her looked at by yourregular bunny vet in the morning.

Hope she is OK. From what I'veread, if the vet is knowledgeable with rabbits anesthetic is generally safe.

I'll be thinking of you and hoping everything is OK!

Hugs and love from Spring.

:hug2:


 
I know our vet will operate on a youngbunny...we had a vet here turn down a young bunny with a brokenleg...our vet had to search heaven and earth for pins smallenough...but he did the operation and the bunn is fine now! Ihope they at least try...or contact someone who might knowmore! Fingers crossed for your poor bunn!:(
 
Thanks, I have just spoken to the hospital allthey will tell me is she's comfortable and a vet will call me...Ipresume she might not have been xrayed yet. I've just lookedat the paperwork they gave me last night and i think that for theemergancy charge, hospitalisation, anesthetic, xray and pain medicationI'm looking at 300pounds (500 dollars??) does anyone know how muchsurgery is likely to cost?
 
Trixie had something of the same thing happen toher when she was only a few months old, and she healed justfine. I'm sure that being the age she is, she'll healquickly. She might have to be in confinement like Trixie did,for a bit, but otherwise, I'm sure she'll heal just fine. :)

Here are a couple threads about it. Her birthdate is around Valentine's Day.

http://rabbitsonline.net/view_topic.php?id=13562&forum_id=1

http://rabbitsonline.net/view_topic.php?id=13709&forum_id=1

I hope to hear updates on your poor sweetheart soon...

And don't worry...it was an accident, don't be to hard on yourself, ok? :)

Hugs to you both!!

Rosie and the Girls :bunnydance::bunnydance::bunnydance::bunnydance:
 
Glad to help you feel a bit better about it all...

Yes, please do update us. :)
 
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