Sunny has diahrrea and is making soft/weird grunting noises??

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TaylorKat

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He is a year old Red Satin. He has never been very vocal and now he has started to make weird noises while laying down and hopping around/chewing on stuff. He eats pellets, hay, and he always gets fresh spinach, kale, and sometimes some fruit. Help please!
 
Is it true diarrhea or just soft poops? If it's diarrhea, you need to take him to the vet right away, as rabbits can dehydrate quickly, and he will most likely need to be treated with antibiotics or antiparasitics, depending on the cause.

You want to be sure that the noises he's making aren't tooth grinding, as that indicates pain, and that there is a health problem. If it is grunting sounds, how old is he and is he neutered?

If his poop is just soft poop and not diarrhea, the most common causes are a new food being given, or too many carbs and sugars in the diet. If you have given him a new food in the last couple days, then stop giving it and see if that clears up the mushy poop. If you haven't given him anything new, then you will want to stop all sugary treats or treats with carbs. Also, what amount of pellets do you feed in a day and what kind are they, does he get unlimited hay and what kind is it? You may also need to reduce his pellet amount.

http://www.bio.miami.edu/hare/poop.html
http://www.medirabbit.com/EN/GI_diseases/drop/Drp_en.htm
http://www.rabbitsonline.net/f28/finding-vet-13366/
http://www.rabbit.org/vets/vets.html
 
It was all in a little spot in the carpet so I'm assuming it is true diarrhea. It wasn't watery, it was hard and stuck in the carpet. It doesn't sound like tooth grinding, and he is 1 year old and not neutered. I gave him kale and spinach the night before last and a whole strawberry, and he rarely gets fruit. He gets about a cup of pellets once a day and he has unlimited timothy hay but doesn't really like it.
 
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Sorry, didn't see you already said he was a year old :)

If it wasn't watery, then it was probably just soft poop. If he is used to the kale and spinach, then it was most likely the strawberry that caused it. I wouldn't give him anymore for a while, and if you do give it to him again, start with very tiny amounts, and don't give too much as too many sugars can cause digestive problems with rabbits. He also needs to be eating more hay to help clear it up. It would be best to reduce the pellet amount as well to maybe 1/2-3/4 cup, for a few days, til the soft poop is cleared up, which should only take a day or two if the strawberry was the cause. You just need to make sure that he starts eating more hay when you reduce the pellet amount. Rabbits usually will unless super picky.

I also have a few recommendations for changes in his diet. He may not be eating very much hay because of the amount of pellets he is getting. Depending on his weight, he may be getting a little too much. The HRS recommendation is 1/4-1/2 cup per 6 lb body weight, but you also need to make sure that they maintain a good body weight with the amount of pellets and hay being fed. Also with veggies, spinach and kale shouldn't be fed as a main veggie(if you are feeding it everyday). Spinach especially since it is high in oxalates. They should only be fed as part of a rabbits diet, with veggies that are low in oxalates, but it also depends on how much of it you are feeding. You can look over these veggies lists if you want. There is also recommended amounts and how to introduce into the diet.

http://www.3bunnies.org/feeding.htm#top
http://www.rabbit.org/care/veggies.html

The grunting(honking?) is most likely due to the fact that he isn't neutered and his hormones are kicking in. Just usually means that he REALLY likes you, especially if he is also circling your feet. If he's exhibiting unwanted behaviors due to hormones, you could get him neutered. Grunting can also be a noise rabbits make when they are upset and want you to leave them alone. So it just depends on the kind of behavior that accompanies the grunting.
 
I usually give him about 3 or 4 spinach leaves and 1 small leaf of kale every night and maybe a carrot. He weighs about 8 or 9 pounds, and I'm thinking he might not like the brand of hay. I give him KAYTEE Timothy hay. I am getting him neutered in 2 weeks. He was just grunting while he was laying there, so I'm not sure!
 
It's possible he was grunting if his stomach was feeling uncomfortable. You'll just want to keep an eye on his poop to make sure it gets back to normal, doesn't stay soft, get really tiny, or stop altogether. Also check the stomach for bloating. Is his behavior and activity level staying normal? He's not sitting hunched up not moving around much, or laying down more than usual, and changing postions frequently, like he's trying to find a position of comfort?

If you can find a feed store near you, they will often have bales of grass hay. You don't have to feed timothy. Any non grain grass hay is fine(bermuda, coastal, meadow, orchard, oat-without seed heads, etc). It's also a lot cheaper to buy a bale, than those little pet store bags. Bales are usually $5-20, and they are mostly around 50 lb, though some may be heavier. You want to make sure it is good horse quality hay, that hasn't ever been wet and gotten moldy, and a good green color on the inside of the bale is a good thing to look for too.
 
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Just my two cents, but if he's grunting a lot and hasn't been spayed it might just be hormones. Before my girl was spayed she spent two months running around in circles and honking. The digestive thing is something to figure out, but it's possible the funny noises aren't related.

Also, I had the same situation with the refusal to eat any type of hay. My vet actually refused to take her in for a spay until she was eating some because she had to take hay right after the procedure, so you might want to try to sort it out before he goes in. We tried several different types, but finally found the Oxbow oat hay and she loves it. Still doesn't eat as much as she probably should, and I don't think oat is as good as timothy, but my vet said any hay is better than no hay and we haven't had any problems with it. You just can't make them eat something they don't want to.

Also, spinach and kale can both lead to digestive problems if given too often - at least that's been the case in my experience. You might want to try switching it up every week. I think spinach in particular can lead to the digestive problems you're experiencing if given too often.
 
If he looks uncomfortable you can always give simethicone for gas . Ex. Mylicon liquid for infants or Gas X liquid for infants. Give 1 cc and you can repeat 2 more doses in the next several hours if he continues to appear uncomfortable. Simethicone is not absorbed into the body and is really safe for rabbits.
I usually also use a probiotic like benebac when my rabbits have digestive issues . It can be purchased at Petco in small tubes or powder form.

Rabbits are just like us . If we are eating candy and potato chips all day we are going to turn our noses up at healthy foods.

My rabbits get no treats, some greens, a very small amount of pellets and huge amounts of hay. They look forward to their hay because they are really hungry and they think that their pellets are a treat.
 
The diarrhea has stopped, but now he has really soft poops and is not eating. He has been in the same spot all fay so I am going to try and get him to the vet as soon as possible.
 
Yes, you will want to get him to the vet immediately. If he has coccidiosis or e. coli, it can cause a lot of damage and even be fatal, and it can happen very quickly.
 
I had to drop him off because I have to go to work. They said they were going to do X-rays and maybe some injections.. I hope they can find out what is wrong with him!
 
The vet said it was GI Stasis :( I have to give him Metoclopramide 3 times a day. For the next 24 hours I can only feed him kale, cilantro, parsley and clovers. He can then have hay tomorrow and pellets after a week and then carrots and other fruit after 2 weeks. The vet even sent me a bag of clover home for him!
 
I'm glad you were able to get him into the vet and get some meds. Did the vet give anything else besides the gut motility med? Usually it's good to also be given metacam to control the pain and help get him eating on his own again. It's also good to be given critical care food mix, so that you can syringe feed if he won't eat on his own. I've never heard of only giving leafy greens and not hay for the first day. Leafy greens are good, but typically hay also helps to get the GI moving. But I'm curious as to why the vet said GI stasis, when your rabbit was still pooping and having soft poop. Stasis usually means the gut has slowed down and a rabbit isn't pooping, or isn't pooping very much, and the poops are tiny and dry. A rabbit also will stop eating from abdominal pain, due to the stasis. You did say that your rabbit stopped eating, but any number of health problems that cause pain, can cause a rabbit to stop eating, so I'm just wondering how the vet ruled out other health problems causing the lack of appetite, and decided stasis was the cause. Did the vet see a blockage on the xray? Did they also happen to test a fecal sample for bacteria or parasites?
 
I too, have never heard of a vet suggesting greens ( and gas-producing ones at that ) over hay or Critical care ?? it is really bizarre
Metaclopromide is sometimes prescribed for diarrhea in a rabbit. I am not sure of the dynamic behind this but there is an article on Medi-rabbit describing the protocol. I will try to find it.
To make a diagnosis of GI stasis a vet need to take an abdominal x-ray. He then can see if food is sitting in the stomach and if there are fecal contents and lack of motility in the bowel.
Almost sounds to me like a disruption of the normal GI flora in the gut. Did your vet suggest the use of a probiotic.
Clover is high in protein, gasey and high in calcium and just about the last thing that I would give to a rabbit with a GI problem.
I would consider a 2nd opinion
 
I have to agree with Jbun and angieluv. A bunny should always have hay. Not sure where this treatment protocol came from. Is your vet on our list of rabbit-savvy vets?
http://www.rabbitsonline.net/f21/tn-rabbit-savvy-vets-52022/

It was good to get him to the vet, especially since a bunny making noises while just lying down (other than happy tooth purrs) is pretty abnormal.
 
I just called up there and the vet said that there was only gas in his body and the Meto is used as a gut motility drug. He still wasn't eating so I called the vet and he gave me some pain medicine beacause he was just sitting there grinding his teeth :( After giving him his medicine, I noticed that his urine had gritty little yellow pieces in it? Not sure what that could be..
 
If you are seeing crytals or grit in the urine, your rabbit may be having bladder sludge problems, which could also be the source of some of the pain he is feeling. You'll need to take him into the vet to get the bladder flushed out, if he does end up having bladder sludge.

I'm a little concerned that your rabbit is grinding it's teeth. That is usually a sign that a rabbit is experiencing significant pain. It seems like there may be something more going on here than just a little gas. Also, a rabbit that stops eating needs to be syringe fed food and water until they start eating on their own again. If it isn't, then the digestive problems can compound and a blockage can occur. It would also be a good idea to give simethicone(infant gas relief suspension) to help get the gas under control, so it becomes less painful for your rabbit. Dosage is 1cc every hour for 3 hours, then every 3-8 hours as needed. This is some info on what GI stasis is and how to help your rabbit.

http://www.bio.miami.edu/hare/ileus.html

Unless you really trust this vet and feel confident in the treatments given, you may want to consider finding a different vet. Any good rabbit vet should be very familiar with what treatment is needed for stasis and digestive issues, as it is the most common one with rabbits. The fact that you were originally sent home without pain meds (and critical care?) makes me wonder about this vets extent of experience with rabbits. Here are some additional Tennessee rabbit vet listings if you need them.

http://www.rabbitsonline.net/f21/tn-rabbit-savvy-vets-10106/
http://www.rabbit.org/vets/vets_tennessee.html
 

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