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FrauleinHase

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HI, I’m from Lancaster County Pennsylvania… I’ve been reading various information on the internet for a little while and i've discoved so many conflicting opinions onbunny care...so Idecided to actually post this to get everyone’s opinion of the situation…. See, I’m hoping to adopt an abused (at least it seems like abuse to me…if it’s not strictly abuse, it’s DEFINATLY neglect) Netherland Dwarf Rabbit. Ok here’s the background- sorry if it goes too long!!! I’ll shorten it the best I can!!

My cousin- she’s 16- got a baby rabbit about 6 months ago. She no longer pays any attention to him, and he’s kept in their garage, alone. I know rabbits are social creatures, and this can’t be good for his psyche. Her ‘care’ of him consists of dumping a cupful of pellets into his bowl and filling his water bottle… she usually cons her younger brother into cleaning the litter…when she thinks of it anyway. … at any rate… what gets me is her father’s attitude towards it.. he thinks it’s funny to do mean things to it and finds it uproariously funny that he’ll chew on the end of his cigar….which can’t be good right? However he did say he didn’t care if I took him home….

I’m only 13, and my dad and I already live with 5 ferrets, 3 dogs, 2 cats, 2 horses and 6 cows… lol every one of them is spoiled rotten and loved dearly…. My dad always stresses that animals deserve all respect… However, I’ve never had a rabbit, my dad has never had one either so between the two of us, well… we know nothing. He told me, that if I did the research, and paid for all the stuff he’ll need (except the vet he said), I could bring him home.

Looking at the physical condition of the poor Hase… I’m only basing this on reference pictures, and my handling of other animals…. I’d say he was horribly overweight…but that doesn’t make much sense to me… except that he’s not very active and he’s kept penned in a tiny little hutch….he also seems to have the runs… I don’t know how long he’s had them though. The fur on his backside is matted and dirty… no filthy… but his eyes are bright, and he seems curious about things that are going on around him and he doesn’t seem to be scared of me when I put my hand in his cage and pet him… I picked him up once or twice, and held him and he seems very content to be held and petted. But again I’m not sure if that’s because of his health… also one of his back feet seems like it was mangled at some point and healed strangely… with the toes over lapping… it doesn’t seem to hurt him though so idk…. but no matter how you look at it, a trip to the vet is first and foremost on the agenda if he comes home with me....

My questions are these: I’m on a very strict allowance… a fixed income if you will lol… and I went to our local pet store (that Fish place) and priced timothy Hay (is that ok?) and aspen shavings (is that ok to use too?) that I can afford easily. The hay bail is 24oz, and the litter is 500 cubic inches (but it expands to 1200) will that last 2 weeks? I defiantly plan to taking him to the vet, and talking with him about all of it, but I want to make sure I actually can afford him firstlol will he need a salt lick? can anyone recomend some safe toys? He seems to like paper bags… are they safe for him to chew on? I won’t need a cage, since we have a ferret cage with a very wide bottom that we can easily convert to a good sized pen for him… do rabbits like height? I mean will he go up a couple levels? I know rabbits are ground dwellers and don’t climb.

Even if I can’t afford him, I wantto get him away from my cousins tender loving care (read sarcasm there) and I’m also looking into rabbit adoption people in the area….

Any help and advice would be fantasic!! Not mention greatly appreciated.

FrauleinHase :bunnydance:
 
I'll try to answer some of your questions.

First off, feeding an all pellet diet can lead to the rabbit being overweight, especially if the pellets are of poor quality with lots of seads/treats in it. You want a plain pellet with about 12-14% protein and 18-20% fibre. Feed about 1/4th cup per 5 pounds of bunny, with unlimited hay.

For the hay, if you have horses, you can feed the same hay as you feed the horses. Horses and rabbits have very similar digestive systems, and any hay good enough for a horse is good enough for a rabbit. I buy my hay by the bale from a local hay supplier, mainly timothy. But any grass hay will work (brome, orchard, oat, local etc), even a bale with a mix of alfafa is okay as long as the alfafa content is low (25% or less). No reason to buy the expensive petstore bags of hay, when you have access to baled hay.

His mushy poops could be from his diet, he could also have an intestinal parasite. Vet visit will definitely help figure that out. I would probably deworm him as a precaution regardless.

Have his nails ever been cut? If the nails are allowed to grow long, then they can get all twisted and that could be the cause of his toes looking funny.

Salt licks are not required. If he has a good quality pellet, he will get all the minerals he needs from that. Excess salt will just make him drink too much water. Most rabbits in fact ignore a salt lick.

As for litter, aspen will work. I personally use a compressed wood pellet designed for horse stalls. I find it absorbs the best and is very economical as it costs about $4 for a 40 pound bag. I only use litter in my litter boxes as all my rabbits are litter trained, so that also cuts down on litter costs.

How big is the cage? Rabbits will use levels, however many ferret cages are not set up correctly for rabbits to be able to navigate the levels. Can you post a picture of the cage?

I think I got all your questions, if I missed anything let me know!

-Dawn
 
As far as hay goes, if you have room for a bale that would be the best way to go. You can get it at your local farm store pretty inexpensively. A bale of timothy at our local store is $13 (and that is considered expensive, lots of people get it cheaper). A bale is 50-60 pounds, and even if you have to throw some out it would be cheaper than buying the little bags. For bedding, I recommend horse stall pellets. You can get a 40 pound bag for around $7-8. You will also need plain pellets.

Rabbits do not need salt licks. Hard plastic baby toys are good. Paper bags are OK, as well as toilet paper or paper towel tubes. The rabbit should have a cardboard hidey-box. Not only does it give them a place to sleep, but they get entertainment from chewing them.

I'm not sure about the ferret cage. I've heard that they are not suitable for rabbits, but I'm sure someone else will chime in on that subject.

Good for you doing your research before getting a rabbit! Here is a link to a great rabbit care handout:

http://www.columbusrabbit.org/chrsbooklet.pdf
 
well it's good to know i can probably feed him for free...essentially :D since we feed our horses a mix of hays...I think it's mostly a mixture of timothy, oat and uhh is it broom? idk i'll have to ask my dad but i do know there's not a lot of alfalfa in them since we use that as a specialtreat for our horses loland litter won't be a problem either since we use pressed wood pellets for our horses too (and our ferrets and catsfor that matter):D so that's really awesome :D

ummm here's a catalog picture of the ferret cage...

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it's 18inches wide, 32 inches long and about 39inches high. I know the bunny won't use the height, and the levels and ramps are removable so i can put them where ever i want them to be. 2 of the levels are solid and2have holes in them. Is the bottom wide enough for him? at least as a temporary solution? it's a little larger than the one he's in now andthat way i can save up to get him a proper pen, or maybe get my dad to help me build agood sized hutchfor him in the barn.

I doubt my cousin ever clipped his nails, but the nails themselvesdon't look gnarled or overly long; just his toes seem twisted.

I'm (hopefully!!) going to pick him up on Friday. is there anything i can do to make him more comfortable between when i bring him home and when he sees the vet? his hind end is soooo dirty, maybe a butt-bath? how can i tell if that will be too stressful for him? he's so docile I'm unsure of his mood you know? also he seems to have fleas and i think i found a tick on him too. is there any rabbit safe flea and tick treatments?

thanks again

FrauleinHaas:purplepansy:
 
As a temporary cage, it will work. I would just use it with out the shelves for now. However, I would use a different cage long term.

A puppy pen (x-pen) or NIC condo would work much better.

If he doesn't seem stressed, you can try giving him a butt bath. Or use cornstarch to get pee and muck out of the fur. Put the corn starch on and brush out, it should take a lot of the muck with it.

As for fleas/mites, when you take him to the vet you can get a kitten dose of Revolution for him.

-Dawn
 
You didn't mention how big the rabbit is, but as Dawn said, that cage is way too small to use long term. By the time you put in a litter box, hidey-box, etc. there won't be much room for the bunny to move around.

I can't wait to see pictures of your new bunny!!!
 
It sounds like getting him out of there as soon as possible is in his best interest, even if it turns out to be a foster situation for you (finding him a different home but keeping him until that happens).

It sounds like you definitely have a good bunny infrastructure going though, with the hay and pellets already purchased for the horses. Getting him some timothy hay pellets is probably all you really need to do extra, plus healthy greens (dark leafy lettuce, herbs like dill, parsley, cilantro). In terms of toys, bunnies love plain (brown/untreated) toilet paper and paper towel tubes as a toy. Some untreated wood blocks to chew (bird section at pet shops usually) wouldn't hurt as a toy as well. I bought Ula a ton of different toys and the only thing she consistently plays with is the toilet tubes, which are free!

At this point vet care is his top priority. Get him out of that garage, get him to a vet, and do what you can to get his poop back to normal. He should lose weight as soon as his diet improcves and he gets to move around more.

You're doing a great thing by helping this bunny!
 
Also, re: the weird toes. It's possible he got his toes stuck in cage bars or something and fractured them, and then they healed in that strange looking manner. If it's a healed fracture it won't really affect him in the future. The vet can probably tell by looking at it what's going on.

Your next step is to locate a rabbit-savvy vet in your area and book an appointment!
 
An overweight bunny will have problems ingesting his caecotrophs as he would be unable to reach his anus, this will create a runny back end as his digestive system will be in a poor condition. A pellet high in fibre (not too much just a few ounces), lots of long fibre (hay or a good soft straw) will help him lose some weight. The larger the cage you can provide the better. They do not have to have other rabbits for companionship but careful bonding can be achieved sometimes (after having him neutered) However, if you have lots of contact with him he won't need another bunny friend.
Hope all goes well for you and the rabbit.
 
I do have something to say about the cage.

You could take some plie wood and build a few levels.

Like two and put litter box on one and the other for laying.

it has to be better then what ever he is in now and if he get major run time it could be fine for a short time a few months. It sound like your dad may be handy he could even build you a cage of wood one day.

Birthday present maybe!!
 
Well here's a picture of my new baby :D I finally got to pick him up on Friday, and he went to the vet monday... the vet that sees our horses, his wife raises rabbits lol so while my bun is technically his first official patient, he has plenty of expirience with them :D so that's cool. He said his wierd toes were likely caused by the wire bottom of his cage, plus apperantly his front paws are perminantly 'cupped' due to the same reason. He also said he's not overweight by too much (apperantly hes just really fluffy lol) I got a kitten flea treatment, and he told me all about how to feed him to help with his runs.... most of the mess was caused by his tail being glued to his belly :( and once we got it unstuck it seems hes MUCH more comfortable....and since the bunny is an intact male he recomended i get him fixed once his digestive problems settle down and he adjusts to his new home and all.... to help minimize his stress i guess :) Anyway the little bun is officially named Momiji (after a character in a series of books i read who could turn into a rabbit) but i just call him Mo :D or really i've kind of been calling him Bunny McBunerson rofl silly i know but...well LOL :D

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I'll get a better one up he's very much a ham and loves to kind of pose for the camera lol.

I decided to just let him have the run of my bed room for the most part.... i took apart the ferret cage so i could set it on the floor, and put the shelves down as low as i could so he can use the whole botom of the cage as a hidey spot. I also rabbit proofed my room and kind of blocked of half of my floor space for him with ferret and baby gates....just so he has more room ya know? also, surprise surprise he only pees in the litter boxes!!! he's already litter trained! :D yay! though i doubt it was any intentional training on my cousins part :/

ooh! it's really late! i have lots more questions...mainly about rabbit body language but i gotta go before my dadcatches me lol!!
 
Oh, he's beautiful! That's good that the vet seems to think his problems can be fixed. What are you feeding him right now?


He's going to have a much better life thanks to you! You can see in his eyes he's glad to be out of that crap hole! :bunny18
 
Congrats on the new bun!! He is an cutie though!!! And glad hes out of that abused home.. Thanks! :)
 
that body language link is great!! this morning when i let Mo out of his pen to play a while, he kind f explored a little, then flopped over on his side, gave a huge sigh and his eyes rolled back in his head... i thought for sure he was dying or something!!! lol he didn't much aprieciate it when i tried to see if he was ok either.... also it explained the muttering and tooth grindinghe does when i hold him on my lap and rub his ears.... :D and here i thought rabbits were silent critters (never mind the 3 am ping pong games) lol

Umm i think the vet gave me kitten revolution to use for his fleas
 
Kitten Revolution is an excellent choice. Very safe and I have used it myself to treat mites on one of my buns. It will get rid of fleas and any mites, not sure about anything intestional though.

He is a very cute little guy, and it sounds like he is going to have a very happy life with you.

And what I love most about rabbits is how much personality and funny little quirks each one has. They will always be surprising you with funny little antics or sweet gestures as their relationship with you grows.

-Dawn
 

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