Question in regards to ND breeding - WARNING PIC OVERLOAD

[whaleyk98]

Let me see if i can make this question make some sense,lol. At what age can you tell if its going to be a BUB or BUD? Do they weight such and such an amount at a certain age or something?

 

[Sabine]

Interesting question. I am wondering the same in my current litter (3 weeks old) one is somewhat bigger than the other two but the prettiest as regards fur and colouring. I am just hoping it's a particularily well fed true dwarf:biggrin:

 

[Shaded Night Rabbitry]

You're suppose to be able to tell very, very early...

However I've never had one, so I dunno 100%. I had a "bub" in a litter, who never broke 2 1/2 pounds, even at 7 months. He was a good deal bigger than all his siblings until about 6 months when everyone just stopped between 1.14 and 2.08. LOL!

 

[Sabine]

Calling me Ugly, huh?!:biggrin2:

 

[whaleyk98]

LOL! Awwwwwww!

 

[pamnock]

Oftenby weaning, most certainly not at a very young age. We've been breeding dwarf breeds for 20 years (Holland Lops, Dwarf Hotots, and Netherland Dwarfs) - they ALL look good when they're babies. By 12 weeks of age, the "uglies" certainly stand out!

 

[whaleyk98]

Thanks Pam!

 

[lelanatty]

I have a litter that is currently 4 weeks old. I can already tell that I have a BUD and a BUB. Their bodies are longer, their ears are bigger and longer, their heads are slightly more narrow, and they weigh about 3 ounces more than the other two in the litter. I will get pictures to show you the difference.

 

[whaleyk98]

Thanks! That would help a lot!

 

[mewlingcricket]

Okay, I know I have heard the terms before, but they are completely escaping me, what is a BUB and a BUD?

 

[whaleyk98]

Big ugly buck and big ugly doe...I believe. Thats what I use anyway =)

 

[mewlingcricket]

Oh that is too funny

 

[lelanatty]

Alright, here is my nose to nose, side by side comparison of what is a BUB/BUD and what is not. :biggrin2:Enjoy.

The big uglies are always on the left and the normals are always on the right.

So to start off... these are my two big ugly babies

The first major thing is that they can't pose correctly. No matter how hard I try, the length of their bodies and the lack of balance prevents them from being able to pose correctly-- period. It is not even worth trying to pose them because after a while it just becomes cruel and probably could injure them. So I just get them to raise their head and look alert. When they are full grown their pictures will probably look like my BUD brood doe:

You can see better on her how her huge length of body prevents her from posing correctly.

The two big ugly babiesare both from the same litter. This is the whole litter:

The size difference should be fairly obvious.

These are the two bucks:

As you can see there is a great difference in ear length, body length, and width of the head. On the second picture you can also see that the BUB's ears are more folded looking. The smaller buck in this picture is actuallythe runt, to give you a better idea of the size. Ther larger buck weighs 9 1/2 ounces and the smaller buck weighs 7 1/4 ounces.

And these are the two does:

Again you can see the same differences in characteristics. Length of ears, length of body, width of head. The siamese sable doe is a normal sized baby. Her ears are actually just a bit longer than they should be, and a bit thin. The other doe's are are bigger all around, and are also very thick. The BUD weighs 10 5/8 ounces and the siamese sable weighs 7 3/4 ounces.

Now I will show you the real kicker. This is my pride and joy.

He is from a different litter, actually from the grandmother of the other litter, but they all have the same sire. He weighs in at 9 3/4 ounces and so is heavier than the buck from the other litter, but he is not a BUB.

Here is the comparison of the two bigger bucks:

So again the same characteristics are different. But with the buck who weighs more but is not a BUB, there is a difference. From hisposed picture you can see that he is big, but by no means is he ugly. His ears are proportional and fitting in size, he is extremely short in length of body, his head is very round and wide, andhe is very well balanced because he is massive throughout. He looks like a netherland dwarf really should look, and the BUB/BUD do not.

Now, don't get the idea in your head that BUD/BUB's aren't useful. I love my BUD very very much because she is a very good mom and usually has 6 kits at a time to boot. I think I am keeping the BUD from this litter because of the incredible type she carries in her background and breeding her to another great rabbit should bring that forward in her babies. BUB's don't have quite as much use but I think if a herd is getting finer boned and small they could be used to boost size there.

Hope this helps you! :biggrin: