Please help with hollands - only my second & third litters

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I don't have photos right now but I will get them this week. Here is a bit of the background.

My main herd doe is Cindy - she has been in three shows - at the state show she lost out on BOB to the senior doe. (I bought her at that show). At the next show - she took BOB in both shows (double show) and all three judges stated that she had a very promising show career because she had a nice crown and type, etc.

This was April of 2010.

After that I bred her to Zuba and she gave me two daughters - Portia and Dotty.

In April of this year, I bred all 3 girls back to Zuba (who has since passed away) and I now have 9 babies that were born May 17th.

I struggle sometimes to understand the crown and I've been reading through the HLRSC guidebook and feel even more confused.

Here is what I know from watching the babies so far....

Several of them have the larger "bulldog" type heads.

Several of them have larger bones (from looking at their feet and legs)

Three or four of them seem to naturally sit in a posed position (when I worked with lionheads - that was one thing I watched for).

Of the nine babies - two are broken (both male) - and seven of the nine are male (I think). (I was hoping for does...go figure!)

I am thinking that I want to keep one broken male (I suspect I know which one) and one male from each doe - but possibly ones with slightly different strengths.

I think my questions go along these lines...
  • Help me understand the crown again - in "idiot-proof" language. I know enough to remember that the ears are NOT supposed to fold (some of these babies have ears that fold slightly sorta but I suspect it might be because their heads haven't caught up to their ears? Is that possible?).
  • Should the ears hang down below the jaw or how low should they hang?
  • At what age do you start deciding who to keep and who to not keep for your breeding program? Is this too early?
I'd love to have the money to go out and buy a herd buck. I'd love to find someone to contact who had a website with photos, etc - but all of my searches haven't turned up anything current.

If I get a couple of nice bucks from these litters though - I could be happy with that.

As I said, I'll try to get photos in the next day or so - but I'm just wondering when to start judging them and if its too soon and I want to make sure that I understand what I'm doing.




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Hi there!
I am in no way an expert but have bred and raised 2 Holland Lop litters and 1 Fuzzy Lop litter.
This is a site I find helpful: http://www.threelittleladiesrabbitry.com/hollandlopsstandard.php

I got 2nd place with my Fuzzy Lop doe in a show, I find what is important is the body should be compact and the ears short. As stated on the above site, the ears should not sit lower than 1 inch below jaw.
I always had show quality, pedigreed Hollands/Fuzzies but out of all 3 litters; 15 babies, none of them turned out to be show quality. This breed is tricky to get nice babies I find at least.
I am starting breeding again and have a very typey compact buck so hoping for some nice babies!
Best of luck!
 
It is SOOO hard to take photos of babies that are 3 1/2 weeks old. They might pose in the cage - but on the table/desk? Ha Ha Ha.

However - here is some of what I got today...

Cindy - Buck #1 (pick of the litter I think)

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Cindy - Buck #2 - smaller and slightly finer bone than #1

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Cindy - Baby #3 - doe - would NOT sit still

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Cindy - baby #4 - buck - not overly cooperative

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Cindy - baby #5 - doe - runt of litter - very "flat" - (was thinking she was a buck but we're now thinking she's a doe)

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Portia's litter

Baby #1 - buck

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Baby #2 - buck

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Baby #3 - buck

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Baby #4 - doe

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you do have some squirmy little babies there. Your babies do look very promising.

The ears question has been answered, but the remainder:

The crown is where the ears attach to the head.

This is definitely too early to be calling out pick of the litter, though I don't think any breeder can say they don't pick favorites. Hollands, as with any dwarf breed, develop very quickly compared to larger breeds, but not so quickly that you can see what is show quality and what isn't at 3 weeks. I myself have a dwarf litter right now, born 5/20, and they change so much from day to day and week to week that one day I know for sure which baby is which and the next they look exactly the same.

As for looking for a herd buck, you really need to come to shows. Depending on your price range, there have recently been some very nice bucks from nationally competitive lines for sale.
 
I know very little about these little guys but I think the first one looks great. I wish I could help with you question but I don't know anything about this breed. Good lick with them though
 
I raise Hollands as well and I would say Buck #1 of Portia's litter is gorgeous! Flat face, great ears and compact body. He may change but I would say keep an eye on him.
Also Buck #1 of the first litter is the best of that litter I agree.
 
Nice looking bunnies! I am just starting to raise Hollands again (I did in 4-H) but then the town I lived in made a new rule that rabbits where considered livestock and told my parents that they would be ticketed for every rabbit that I kept. Anyways, I agree with what has been said.

Hope you don't mind but I am a "budding" photographer and I can tell that your camera is focusing on your background. If you switch your camera to macro or micro depends on the brand of camera but usually has a flower icon. You will get better pictures of you lovely bunnies!
Blessings!
Kristal


http://purelyprecioushollandlops.weebly.com/
 
Thanks - this is actually an old thread - I'd already found the information on crowns, etc. I'm not sure why it got bumped up...oh well!
 

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