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l.lai

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Hi,

I've been feeding my bunny unlimited Timothy Hay and lots of green leafy veggies in combo's like:

Bok Choy
Parsley
Alfalfa sprouts

And not giving him any pellets.

The vet told me pellets should be kept to a minimum as they're too nutrient dense and really if i give him unlimited hay and fresh veggies daily, theres no reason for pellets.

Is this bad?

Should i go back to the usual 3 table spoons of pellets with his daily veggies?
 
Personally, I like to give just enough pellets to get some vitamins and minerals. I give my big adults (4-5lbs) 1T a day. There are some vitamins they need in there that are difficult to get otherwise, so I think it's better. I know Amy27 was worried her bunnies weren't getting the right amount of vitamin D, and she saw some calcium metabolism issues, so she went back to pellets after not feeding them for years.
 
Claire is right. I didn't feed pellets for about 4 years. But I felt that there may be nutrients in the pellets that are not in veggies or hay. So I started to give 1 ounce of pellets every other day. I have learned so many things from this website and my vet. Like a lot of water soluble vitamins are lost in veggies when stored and rinsed. I don't think there is anything wrong with not feeding pellets. For me, it is a piece of mind thing knowing that I am providing several different things such as veggies, hay and pellets and hoping that with those three things, I have a better chance of making sure my rabbits get all the vitamins they need.
 
My vet is ok with me not giving any pellets to my rabbit as long as he gets a good mix of veggies. However, I've found that he's a bit picky with the veggies so I feed about 1 Tablespoon of pellets daily or every other day just to make sure he's getting all the vitamins he needs. My vet says that some breeds are more prone to weight issues and therefore sore hocks (like Mini Rex) so she didn't recommend giving him pellets since he is at a good weight and maintaining that weight well.


Oh, and of course he gets unlimited timothy hay too.
 
You can feed no pellets....but there are some things to consider. If your rabbit is an indoor rabbit, pellets are the only source of Vitamin D. Vitamin D comes from either dietarysupplements or by exposure to unfiltered sunlight. Vitamin D deficiencies lead to a condition called Metabolic Bone Disease. MBD can affect any body system and can lead to organ failure, seizures and death. We are keenly aware ofMBD in wildlife work since we keep the animals inside. Very few vets consider MBD in any species but especially in rabbits. This also ties into the misconceptions about calcium in rabbits. We offer pellets only to maintain body conditioning.

Randy
 
:yeahthat:

And I don't think some people realize the huge amounts of hay and veggies needed if you're not feeding any pellets at all. A rabbit on a veggie-only diet would eat its weight in veggies daily -- which is a LOT.

Feeding hay of course is the way to temper this, but the 'term' unlimited hay really has to be taken seriously. I just put the equivalent of a pet store bag in Mister and Darry's pen last night and it's all gone today. And they're fairly small rabbits.

I'm finding it next to impossible always have enough hay in the pens for my two foster Flemish. They're also babies so they're on unlimited pellets -- something else to consider. Growing rabbits need a lot of nutrients. I shudder to think how much I'd have to be giving these guys if they weren't getting their huge bowls of pellets in addition to the hay and veggies.

EDITED TO ADD: Reiterating Randy's post below, I forgot to mention the most important part -- variety! My guys get a HUGE VARIETY of veggies and multiple kinds of hay every day. (And they get tree branches). And they still get a few tablespoons of pellets. (Except the babies, they get as much as they want).

sas :faint:
 
Our vet is anti-pellet...mostly because I think he sees so many people who feed only pellets...

Hubby and I considered this and decided that we would free feed pellets...in moderate amounts! lol...but provide as much hay and veggies as our buns wanted...they prefer their hay and veg and only eat a small amount of pellets...but as was mentioned above they eat an amazing amount of veg this way...we have 9 bunns and spend approximately $60+ a week on veg alone...which balances out since we buy fewer pellets...but we also have to watch that they get a wider variety of veg to cover nutritional bases...so we feed 5 veg a night and the average size bun at our house will eat upwards of 5+ cups of veg a day...one of our 4 pounders was eating 7 cups a night!:shock:

Danielle
 
I agree with the posters above on the point of view that it's very difficult to do a veggie and hay only diet correctly. Yes, in the wild rabbits don't eat pellets, but they also have access to a huge range of plants to get the nutrients they need. Since rabbits are herbivores, they need fairly varied sources of nutrition. Feeding pellets, even just a tiny amount, gives me the peace of mind that my rabbits are getting all of the nutrients they need, particularly the vitamins and minerals that it's so hard to balance in a pellet-free diet.
 
I agree with your vet that most people overfeed pellets thru nothing but inaccurate and outdated information. We feed a very limited number of pellets here....some of our rabbits get no pellets at all, some of our smaller buns get only a tablespoon or so.....even our two bonded Flemish Giants get only about 1/3 cup pellets per day to share....and all have access to high quality hay. But....and this is a big but......we still have these animals (naturally wild) in an artificially created environment feeding them virtually an artificial diet. And the mention of wild rabbits in this thread.....internally domestics and wild rabbits are the same....and our treatment protocols, for the most part, are identical. So why can cottontails live healthy without pellets while out domestics maybe can't?

So, having said that and hopefully everyone can understand my rambling.....the question comes down to if you can feed rabbits without pellets. Certainly....look at wild rabbits. They don't eat pellets....and they are never obese either....and they are very healthy. They eat basically scrub plants....leaves and grass, and in the winter, they eat bark. All of these are very low in proteins and nutrition. So how do they do it? First, like our domestics, they are hind gut fermenters. This type of digestion lends itself to being very efficient. The reingestion of undigested cecals extracts all the nutrition possible from the low quality foods that wild rabbits eat. But wild rabbits also get something that most of our domestics don't. Unfiltered sunlight. Sunlight is one of two ways that animalsget Vitamin D. Vitamin D is essential in the absorbing of calcium and other nutrients. Vitamin D deficiencies can be found in many indoor species....mammals (including most humans), reptiles and birds. In the abscense of unfiltered sunlight, the only way to get Vitamin D is by dietary supplements...and that is where high quality pellets come into play. Fortified pellets, in a limited amount, will give the necessary supplements for a healthy life. Indeed, our use of pellets for our rabbits is strictly to maintain weight and body conditioning. The rabbits we have on hay only get Vitamin D supplements.

Vitamin D causes calcium to be lost and results in a condition known as Metabolic Bone Disease. But don't let the name fool you as it is a system wide problem in animals afflicted. Not only does MBD result in skeletal and dental issues, it can cause organ failure, seizures and death among other things. People are so caught up in the old and incorrect idea that rabbits should avoid calcium. even vets have jumped on that wagon. Fact is, rabbits have bones and teeth and those require calcium to be healthy. Many skeletal and dental issues can be traced to MBD. Ask your vet about Vitamin D deficiencies, MBD and the systemic problems caused by MBD. For those of us that do advanced work in wildlife rehab, we are keenly aware of issues from MBD. We see it often in squirrels, opossums and birds caused by lack of sunlight and nutritional deficiencies.

Now, the absolute answer to your question is absolutely YES...you can feed an all natural diet without pellets...as long as you provide everything that a rabbit would find in nature. And that includes exposure to unfiltered sunlight, the equal spectrums of artificial sunlight or provide a proper supplementation of Vitamin D.

Randy
 
ra7751 wrote:
I agree with your vet that most people overfeed pellets thru nothing but inaccurate and outdated information. We feed a very limited number of pellets here....some of our rabbits get no pellets at all, some of our smaller buns get only a tablespoon or so.....even our two bonded Flemish Giants get only about 1/3 cup pellets per day to share....and all have access to high quality hay. But....and this is a big but......we still have these animals (naturally wild) in an artificially created environment feeding them virtually an artificial diet. And the mention of wild rabbits in this thread.....internally domestics and wild rabbits are the same....and our treatment protocols, for the most part, are identical. So why can cottontails live healthy without pellets while out domestics maybe can't?

So, having said that and hopefully everyone can understand my rambling.....the question comes down to if you can feed rabbits without pellets. Certainly....look at wild rabbits. They don't eat pellets....and they are never obese either....and they are very healthy. They eat basically scrub plants....leaves and grass, and in the winter, they eat bark. All of these are very low in proteins and nutrition. So how do they do it? First, like our domestics, they are hind gut fermenters. This type of digestion lends itself to being very efficient. The reingestion of undigested cecals extracts all the nutrition possible from the low quality foods that wild rabbits eat. But wild rabbits also get something that most of our domestics don't. Unfiltered sunlight. Sunlight is one of two ways that animalsget Vitamin D. Vitamin D is essential in the absorbing of calcium and other nutrients. Vitamin D deficiencies can be found in many indoor species....mammals (including most humans), reptiles and birds. In the abscense of unfiltered sunlight, the only way to get Vitamin D is by dietary supplements...and that is where high quality pellets come into play. Fortified pellets, in a limited amount, will give the necessary supplements for a healthy life. Indeed, our use of pellets for our rabbits is strictly to maintain weight and body conditioning. The rabbits we have on hay only get Vitamin D supplements.

Vitamin D causes calcium to be lost and results in a condition known as Metabolic Bone Disease. But don't let the name fool you as it is a system wide problem in animals afflicted. Not only does MBD result in skeletal and dental issues, it can cause organ failure, seizures and death among other things. People are so caught up in the old and incorrect idea that rabbits should avoid calcium. even vets have jumped on that wagon. Fact is, rabbits have bones and teeth and those require calcium to be healthy. Many skeletal and dental issues can be traced to MBD. Ask your vet about Vitamin D deficiencies, MBD and the systemic problems caused by MBD. For those of us that do advanced work in wildlife rehab, we are keenly aware of issues from MBD. We see it often in squirrels, opossums and birds caused by lack of sunlight and nutritional deficiencies.

Now, the absolute answer to your question is absolutely YES...you can feed an all natural diet without pellets...as long as you provide everything that a rabbit would find in nature. And that includes exposure to unfiltered sunlight, the equal spectrums of artificial sunlight or provide a proper supplementation of Vitamin D.

Randy
Wow thats an awesome and educative reply. Thanks! I'll probably go back to giving Racer 2-3 tablespoons of pellets a day just in case. But i'll give them more vegetables.
 

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