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TinysMom

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First of all - I want y'all to know that I LOVE this area of the forum and our many breeders who post here. I think so many of you are awesome - some of you I wish I could steal babies from (oh Polly....)...

I was talking to someone today (several someones today) about something and I really feel like I need to post it here and share with y'all.

As a moderator - I feel like I rarely ever have to edit stuff here - and I hope that when I do edit stuff I am respectful of you - if I'm not - PLEASE contact me. Ok?

But one thing I've been noticing is that many times opinions are shared on this forum (in all the areas) - but they're shared at times when they are inappropriate.

Y'all have heard me joke about how opinions are like feet- we all have them - and some stink. My husband has an addendum do that which goes "And many times they should be kept covered...".

I'm going to ask IN ADVANCE that when we get people in here who talk about wanting to breed because they want "cute, cuddly rabbits" or they're asking questions about breeding - that we try to address their questions without throwing our opinions at them. In other words - lets use facts that we know (ie. - the best ages for breeding does of certain breeds or how many kits can be in a litter, etc) - and try to keep our opinions out of it.

My concern is that if folks see us commenting in ways that they see as "attacking" another person about having baby bunnies...if they wind up deciding to breed - or if they wind up with an accidental pregnancy - they may not feel comfortable coming to us for help.

So much of our focus needs to be on education...and helping.

I'm sharing this partly because I'm going to be mentoring some young breeders that may be joining soon - and by many of our standards they've done everything wrong. No pedigreed animals - didn't know what they were doing, etc. etc. They're like 12 or 13 or whatever (but they do have the support of their parents).

I would hate to see them come on here - share their experiences - and then leave here because they've been hurt by our "opinions" and how they did things wrong.

I look at some people on here who have come a long way - one person who comes to mind is Misty. We've seen how she came on here with questions and yes - I'm pretty sure sometimes I was pretty rough on her....but she's learning and growing and I keep thinking about her changes and meaning to drop her a pm and say, "you go girl".

I've seen this in some of our other breeders - some of whom I've had a hard time with in the past.

But because they stuck with us - they've learned and they've grown.

So please - I'm going to ask that in the future - even if we want to tear our hair out because person X wants to mix breeds A & D to get purple bunnies with pink polka dots and green stripes .... that we try to keep our emotions out of it...and stick to the facts of how we can help them. Sometimes our job is to help them understand why something won't work - and sometimes it is to help them because even though they are making choices we don't understand - we care about the rabbits.

And with that said - I'm off to get my hard lemonade (its been a hard day here)...and go to bed.

I really do appreciate y'all. I hope you know that. This is just something that has been on my heart for a couple of weeks....and I felt like I HAD to get it out before I go to bed tonight.


 
In my opinion, there should be an Opinion and Debate board for mature, reasonable discussion of opinions.


Where do you think those carefully bred, pedigreed, and shown rabbits came from? Certainly not out of thin air :biggrin: Years of carefully mixing, culling, and working towards an ultimate standard...eventually, ta da! A cute bunny sitting in your hutch!

I'm personally planning on a miniature version Flemish Giant. They'll only come in green with purple poka-dots and pink stripes. ;)
 
Icarus wrote:
In my opinion, there should be an Opinion and Debate board for mature, reasonable discussion of opinions.


Where do you think those carefully bred, pedigreed, and shown rabbits came from? Certainly not out of thin air :biggrin: Years of carefully mixing, culling, and working towards an ultimate standard, and that cute bunny sitting in your hutch!

I'm personally planning on a miniature version Flemish Giant. They'll only come in green with purple poka-dots and pink stripes. ;)

Oh yeah?

Well mine are gonna have rex fur, lionhead manes and lop ears...so there!
 
Thanks Peg! :hug1 And Yes, I did have made alot of changes. And thanks for helping me the best, And got me on my feet and put my foot down on somebody that drugged me into what a mess that she put me in. You did the right thing to help me out and get out of that mess. You have helped alot. You got me to restart my rabbitry and put me on the right track that I needed to be in. I am trying my best to take care of my rabbits the best that I can ever do and not the person that bring me down. I didnt know hardly anything when I joined, Just that I was a rabbit dumpster for somebody. But not anymore. I had to make the biggest Decisions on my rabbits. I wanted them all but you know its to hard on somebody that haves too many breeds like I did. So I had to Decide which rabbits that I want and dint want and got threaten so many times by somebody. But I knew what is the best to do. And Peg helped me decide what was best for me and not for her. I have learned a lot. :highfive:

So, I agree with this. We need to help out others.. :nod
 
TinysMom wrote:
Icarus wrote:
In my opinion, there should be an Opinion and Debate board for mature, reasonable discussion of opinions.


Where do you think those carefully bred, pedigreed, and shown rabbits came from? Certainly not out of thin air :biggrin: Years of carefully mixing, culling, and working towards an ultimate standard, and that cute bunny sitting in your hutch!

I'm personally planning on a miniature version Flemish Giant. They'll only come in green with purple poka-dots and pink stripes. ;)

Oh yeah?

Well mine are gonna have rex fur, lionhead manes and lop ears...so there!

Oh yeah?! WELL...mine are going to have one lop ear, one regular ear, and duck feet!
 
Is there not a way to express our own opinions without seeming as if we are attacking another person's decisions about what to do with their rabbits?
 
Red silver martin sounds like it would be pretty.

I have been helping misty too. I had her get in touch with chia rabbitry. That lady has of the best jersey whoolies in the state of Michigan. Some of the best I have ever seen. Some go into Brian Hartzel's lines(*sniff). i might be meeting her for the first time at cal bra hill. If so, I may hook her up with one of the top dutch breeders in the state. Great guy. Loves his rabbits. Taught me a lot on grooming, even though I have never raised dutch. he is real particular on where his rabbits go though. She seems really nice. I can't wait to meet her. I hope her rabbits do well at the cal bra hill show in 2 weeks.

I agree with everything you have said tiny's mom. I haven't had any issues with section of the forum either. Everyone here is pretty nice. Its best to be helpful to new breeders, because we have all started out that way.
 
Silver Star Rabbitry wrote:
RED Silver Martens as soon as I get enough room.

Emily

Silver Star Rabbitry
Raising and Showing Quality Silver Martens in North Louisiana

http://silverstarsilvermartens.webs.com/
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Sorry - NOT genetically possible for acouple reasons . . .

1. The marten gene (chin) removes all red from the coat.

2. Red is made with the dominant agouti gene while silver marten is a tan pattern (a rabbit can't be both agouti and tan pattern in phenotype).

Orange (or a poor red) is the closest thing you can get to what you envision as a red silver marten.
 
Maybe she meant rabbits with silver marten type but in the color red.

And what do you call a chinchilla colored rabbit if it isn't a silver marten chestnut, technically shouldn't it belong in both groups?
 
lelanatty wrote:
Maybe she meant rabbits with silver marten type but in the color red.

And what do you call a chinchilla colored rabbit if it isn't a silver marten chestnut, technically shouldn't it belong in both groups?

Chinchilla is an agouti variety, not a tan pattern like the silver marten. Agoutis are one variety group, tan patterns are another. The chinchilla doesn't fit into both.

The chinchilla gene combined with the tan pattern gene produces the silver marten color.

The Silver Marten breed is a commercial body type - we already have commercial red colored rabbits.
 
lelanatty wrote:
Is there not a way to express our own opinions without seeming as if we are attacking another person's decisions about what to do with their rabbits?
I'm sure there must be - but we've had a hard time finding it in the past.

Let me give an example of how it can be done...

WRONG WAY:

"Don't you know that flemish with duck feet is just WRONG? IT goes against nature and you should never try for that. I can't believe how stupid you are. We don't need stupid people like that on here."


RIGHT WAY:

"I think there would be too many problems trying to get a flemish giant with duck feet. I understand they struggle with sore hocks sometimes - but wouldn't this cause them to have even more problems in getting around? And could the duck feet support the weight that a flemish giant can get to? And what about the mom giving birth - is there a chance she'll chew off the few when cleaning the baby because they are so different?

I'm just not so sure that your idea is a wise one. You might want to stick to regular flemish giants."



See what I mean - one attacks the person and their choices - calling them stupid. Another one questions them based upon facts and tries to reason with them and offer suggestions.

My other concern is that we frequently see the "mob mentality" creep up in this forum. Its easy to go "aha...got him/her" and urge each other on with "yeah...that" and "Way to go" until the person feels picked on.

A large part of this forum is education - especially in the rabbitry area. We want to educate people - but if they have stated outright "I AM GOING TO DO THIS..." then we need to focus on the good of the rabbits with that decision. Like how to know when to put in the nestbox...etc.etc.

I hope I'm making sense.


 
TinysMom wrote:
lelanatty wrote:
Is there not a way to express our own opinions without seeming as if we are attacking another person's decisions about what to do with their rabbits?
...

I hope I'm making sense.
I understand what you're saying perfectly. I feel fortunate to not have seen any posts that were offering criticism the wrong way yet.
 
I need to add one other thing here....

Opinions are normally welcome in this forum - all or most of it.

However, the "Rescue Me" section for rehoming/rescuing rabbits and the "Rabbitry" area frequently become places where more moderation has to take place because people get angry at the choices others are making either to rehome a rabbit or to breed a rabbit.

The thing is - we (the forum as a whole) - are NOT the "RABBIT POLICE". We can not tell someone what to do or make them do (or NOT do) what we think is right or wrong.

If they say, "I am going to..." and we start expressing our opinions as judgments - this is where the conflicts on the forum can begin.

We can offer suggestions that are helpful and proactive - but when we start judging them and telling them how wrong they are - then its time for moderators to step in and it can be tough.

The thing is - there have been cases of people in the past who were going through rough times who probably could have used help - but were afraid to post publicly lest they get treated like someone else who was doing the same thing.

Once a heated discussion gets going that is attacking a person's belief/choices - it takes hours of time of moderators working together to keep things calm and working well.

So I'm trying - in advance - to help y'all know about this and understand why opinions are welcome - most of the time - but how I ask that you treat them in some situations in the forum.
 
dixonsrabbitry1 wrote:
Red silver martin sounds like it would be pretty.

I have been helping misty too. I had her get in touch with chia rabbitry. That lady has of the best jersey whoolies in the state of Michigan. Some of the best I have ever seen. Some go into Brian Hartzel's lines(*sniff). i might be meeting her for the first time at cal bra hill. If so, I may hook her up with one of the top dutch breeders in the state. Great guy. Loves his rabbits. Taught me a lot on grooming, even though I have never raised dutch. he is real particular on where his rabbits go though. She seems really nice. I can't wait to meet her. I hope her rabbits do well at the cal bra hill show in 2 weeks.

I agree with everything you have said tiny's mom. I haven't had any issues with section of the forum either. Everyone here is pretty nice. Its best to be helpful to new breeders, because we have all started out that way.
Yes, You have helped me out too. And Thank you for that.. I needed to talk to another Wooly Breeder and help me out on mine. And Thanks for it. There is just a few that helped me out.. Dixonrabbitry, Peg, Pam and Briana, and the lady that I been talking to Facebook.

Thanks,
 
mistyjr wrote:
Yes, You have helped me out too. And Thank you for that.. I needed to talk to another Wooly Breeder and help me out on mine. And Thanks for it. There is just a few that helped me out.. Dixonrabbitry, Peg, Pam and Briana, and the lady that I been talking to Facebook.

Thanks,
I will point her out to you if she goes to cal bra hill. She is a really nice lady. Loves her woolies. If you keep going to shows, she will help out a lot. I think I met her when I sold her daughter one of the best florida whites I have ever bred. that little doe was outstanding. She won every time they showed her. I have been show buddies with both of them ever since then.

Not to get too off topic here. LOL @ flemish with duck feet. ;P
 
dixonsrabbitry1 wrote:
mistyjr wrote:
Yes, You have helped me out too. And Thank you for that.. I needed to talk to another Wooly Breeder and help me out on mine. And Thanks for it. There is just a few that helped me out.. Dixonrabbitry, Peg, Pam and Briana, and the lady that I been talking to Facebook.

Thanks,
I will point her out to you if she goes to cal bra hill. She is a really nice lady. Loves her woolies. If you keep going to shows, she will help out a lot. I think I met her when I sold her daughter one of the best florida whites I have ever bred. that little doe was outstanding. She won every time they showed her. I have been show buddies with both of them ever since then.

Not to get too off topic here. LOL @ flemish with duck feet. ;P
Yeah, She seems pretty nice and knows alot. And helped me with alot that I didnt know about.. She is also helping me breed my Wooly at the show for me so I can get a head start on my woolies. And I am glad that somebody is out there to help me out and not somebody that brung me down... But I am hoping that there will be a good LH breeder there also. So I can see what I need to do also with my LH.. But you seemed nice to my self and have helped me and a nice person to talk too and also its nice to know that somebody that raises rabbits doesnt like that far from me.. :big wink:
 
mistyjr wrote:
dixonsrabbitry1 wrote:
mistyjr wrote:
Yeah, She seems pretty nice and knows alot. And helped me with alot that I didnt know about.. She is also helping me breed my Wooly at the show for me so I can get a head start on my woolies. And I am glad that somebody is out there to help me out and not somebody that brung me down... But I am hoping that there will be a good LH breeder there also. So I can see what I need to do also with my LH.. But you seemed nice to my self and have helped me and a nice person to talk too and also its nice to know that somebody that raises rabbits doesnt like that far from me.. :big wink:
That is realy nice of her to offer to do that to you. If your does takes you won't be disappointed. I have competed with her rabbits for best in group, and best in 4-class before. They are nice rabbits. She will give you pointers on how to improve your stock too, and probably talk your leg off. ;)

I personally know the show secretaries and a lot of of well known experienced breeders. if you don't find any lion head breeders there, I can ask around for you.
 

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